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Post by cypherj on Apr 18, 2018 20:41:56 GMT
But look at ME3, sold 6 million copies. 15% of that would be 900K people buying DLC, at $15 dollars per, that's 13.5 million if my math is correct, and they had four paid story DLCs. That's 54 million dollars in gross sales. Not even counting the gun packs and the other little stuff they sold as DLC. The CEO of Ea said they expected between 6 - 10 million copies of Andromeda to sell. Split the difference, and that's 8 million copies. 15% is 1.2 million people. That's 18 million gross per DLC. Say they expected the same level of interest as ME3, and they could release up to four. That's 72 million dollars. There's no way EA said from start we're not going after this money, or couldn't find the bodies to go after this money. Disclaimer - I did all this math in my head so feel free to correct me.Lol, that would indicate things were worse than my projections (though I'm skeptical they managed to hit the lower estimate of 6 million copies). At 6 mil that would indicate EA's business/marketing folks couldn't project even 5% (300K) of the playerbase shelling out for a DLC. I doubt they hit the low end either. If they had it would have been the best selling Mass Effect game ever, and we would have heard that by now. I do think a lot of people bought the game day one or pre-order, but the people that were actually still playing it, even after the patches wasn't enough to justify taking a chance on DLC. I'm sure they could see the last time people played, who still had it installed, average amount of hours people played, etc.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Apr 18, 2018 22:37:07 GMT
Not enough sales, or else EA would be shouting everywhere how MEA is the best selling BioWare game or at least of all MEs, like they did with DAI. It's embarrassing. They shot themselves.
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Post by river82 on Apr 18, 2018 23:39:09 GMT
Not enough sales, or else EA would be shouting everywhere how MEA is the best selling BioWare game or at least of all MEs, like they did with DAI. It's embarrassing. They shot themselves. Bioware didn't say DAI was the best selling Dragon Age. It probably was because DA:2 flopped harder than Floppy McFlop's biggest flop, the floppiest flop that ever flopped, and Origins was a niche title, but all Bioware said was Inquisition had the most successful launch and I still have no idea what that means (sales, or sales + play time etc, what time period etc)
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Post by cypherj on Apr 19, 2018 0:19:05 GMT
Not enough sales, or else EA would be shouting everywhere how MEA is the best selling BioWare game or at least of all MEs, like they did with DAI. It's embarrassing. They shot themselves. Bioware didn't say DAI was the best selling Dragon Age. It probably was because DA:2 flopped harder than Floppy McFlop's biggest flop, the floppiest flop that ever flopped, and Origins was a niche title, but all Bioware said was Inquisition had the most successful launch and I still have no idea what that means (sales, or sales + play time etc, what time period etc) They said based on units sold.
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Post by The Biotic Trebuchet on Apr 19, 2018 1:40:13 GMT
This, somehow, makes me hopeful.
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Post by SofNascimento on Apr 19, 2018 15:14:26 GMT
Nope. He never said no DLC was ever planned, only that it wouldn't happen. DLC-never-planned-thing was a denial-powered answer for that. Better to believe that than that Andromeda failed miserably and that is the reason no DLC was ever made. I think most of us know that curtesy of ME3, DA:I and also Andromeda the way BioWare do DLC isn't to sketch it out before release. Javik was a case of cut content being sold as DLC, as was Zaeed, but most of the stuff they do is usually a direct addressing of what fans want to see post-launch. Leviathan tapped into lingering issues fans had with the ending, Shadow Broker tapped into our cravings to help Liara take him down (something potentially having been saved for ME3 initially?) and Trespasser was not always intended to be the end of DA:I either. They make DLCs up as they go, and Andromeda was clearly primed for the Quarian Ark DLC as even the game's open and free-form post-game paved way or it, but it was always going to be a matter of "how do players respond to this?" and "will there be time to get these things done?". Not quite true. There were already files in ME2 referencing LotSB for example. I remember people datamined it and we knew this DLC would happen way before it was released. So they do have an idea of what DLC will follow the release of the game, even though some of them are certainly only imagined after (like Arrival or Citadel). And as you said, with Andromeda they clearly set up a Quarian DLC. But you're right when you say it matters how the game is received. If Andromda wasn't a colossal disaster in every way, it would have had DLCs, as all other modern Bioware games did.
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Post by smilesja on Apr 19, 2018 16:05:38 GMT
Man I hope they won't forget about Andromeda but apparantely they will.
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Post by isaidlunch on Apr 20, 2018 2:58:33 GMT
They let SWTOR turn into a ghost town but Anthem will be different? Lol okay
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 20, 2018 8:13:45 GMT
They let SWTOR turn into a ghost town but Anthem will be different? Lol okay The difference is that an Anthem failure will likely kill BioWare.
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Post by sil on Apr 20, 2018 9:36:35 GMT
They let SWTOR turn into a ghost town but Anthem will be different? Lol okay The difference is that an Anthem failure will likely kill BioWare. I agree, I think there is more riding on Anthem. I imagine it's a more expensive game to make, and it lacks the Star Wars tag that generally guarantees sales.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Apr 20, 2018 16:38:12 GMT
I mean, they have to produce good shit in order to stay in the market, that's why Anthem is what it is, they ain't doing their job recently.
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Post by joglee on Apr 21, 2018 6:10:35 GMT
I don't want another Destiny wannabe in power armor. I want a Bioware story driven RPG.
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Post by Sanunes on Apr 21, 2018 7:10:57 GMT
Its my belief that BioWare can tell their story wherever they want to, just like its our choice to buy the game or not.
Now I didn't have a problem with going to Andromeda, but I wouldn't have cared if they stayed in the Milky Way either. Now with that said the story of Andromeda feels unfinished and rather not have a lot of handwaving done to try and appease groups of people that probably won't be happy with anything BioWare does anyway. I can just see it now "How did they get back, everything was destroyed. Therefore BioWare is destroying their lore and I hate them, they died the day they sold out to EA".
If BioWare makes plans to return to the Milky Way I won't object, but if they stay in Andromeda I won't care either. My expectations of Mass Effect is that its a story driven game. I might not like the story or I might have problems with the game, but I don't expect BioWare to make a game to suit my requirements. Otherwise they would have stopped with romances by now.
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Post by griffith82 on Apr 21, 2018 13:19:31 GMT
Man I hope they won't forget about Andromeda but apparantely they will. I hope not. I didn’t get that vibe from his blog.
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Post by SwobyJ on Apr 23, 2018 5:00:26 GMT
Man I hope they won't forget about Andromeda but apparantely they will. I hope not. I didn’t get that vibe from his blog. Same. What I read from it, correct or not: -Anthem is coming and is the priority, so look at it! -It will have 'live updates' for story in whatever form Anthem considers story and Bioware wants us to believe is their worldbuilding -Mass Effect continues to be a thing Bioware is willing to talk about, which leaves open the possibility of another game after Anthem and Dragon Age... or at least Hudson is willing to string people along in order to not hurt Anthem sales This is a 'series' of messages. I can believe this will be part of the effort to convince gamers that Bioware continues as storytellers, not just set to be multiplayer lootbox sellers. Notice how he never said the terms 'choice' and 'roleplaying' though. Its still very possible that Anthem is Destiny but with more involved lore and cutscenes. It still pretty possible that Dragon Age loses even more priority on roleplaying (not saying DAI severely lacked it, but I think I could tell their priorities). 'Updated studio mission', I'll go with so far, is just: live free updates which include story, selling microtransactions, and dialing back (or for Anthem potential elimination) of narrative character choice. If so, then yes, they have to do this series and much more to even start to convince Bioware fans (that don't buy games immediately) and even wider gamers to care enough to buy. Not saying what they're creating will suck - I'm just saying that it feels like Hudson is trying to 'redefine' what Bioware is, based on some sense of 'earlier spirit' instead of particulars. I'll eat my words if Bioware releases Anthem footage of cutscenes with dialogue options that result in some substantial story and character differences.
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Post by sil on Apr 23, 2018 9:29:29 GMT
So it was posted up a week ago today. I wonder if there will be another message this week.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 23, 2018 18:21:01 GMT
This is a 'series' of messages. I can believe this will be part of the effort to convince gamers that Bioware continues as storytellers, not just set to be multiplayer lootbox sellers. This is the part I don't buy into. BioWare is clearly going in the directions of lootboxes. While MP existed as a side thing for ME3, DAI and MEA, things have changed. MP might become the focus so you can play with your "friends" and SP will be the side thing. All this is assuming Anthem is successful and BioWare doesn't shut down. Funny that when the focus is taken off of BioWare's strength - it's RPG - doubt creeps in from BioWare fans. Yes, we know MEA didn't perform as expected but we also know why that happened. No offense, but I disliked the Omega DLC even more than anything to do with the Hammerhead or Pinnacle Station (which I've kind of gotten to like). So maybe the writing of MEA was never going to be what we expected. I don't hate MEA, like some others, but I do see where the dislike can come from. If BioWare put more focus on their strengths they could be the company so many of us love again. Seems to be working for The Witcher.
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Post by warden on Apr 24, 2018 8:41:22 GMT
Now that i've seen the "famous" Pinnacle Station DLC, not only is the worst DLC ever, (even I think it's like a bad joke than an actual DLC) I also tested, and while I can't speak for everyone, this DLC corrupts face codes and by extent your custom character face in ME3 is screwed, yeah basically the infamous face import bug. As I said I can't speak for others, but for me this DLC was the culprit.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 24, 2018 9:44:37 GMT
Now that i've seen the "famous" Pinnacle Station DLC, not only is the worst DLC ever, (even I think it's like a bad joke than an actual DLC) I also tested, and while I can't speak for everyone, this DLC corrupts face codes and by extent your custom character face in ME3 is screwed, yeah basically the infamous face import bug. As I said I can't speak for others, but for me this DLC was the culprit. I actually came to like it over my many, many playthroughs. You can get an apartment out of it (that was sadly missing from ME2 and ME3) and taking down that arrogant turian is worth it alone. It's a challenge, though it can be somewhat tedious at times. Besides, it's not really any worse than Armax Arsenal Arena. It did come free for me when I bought the trilogy through Origin. I doubt I would have paid for it.
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Post by warden on Apr 24, 2018 9:49:10 GMT
Now that i've seen the "famous" Pinnacle Station DLC, not only is the worst DLC ever, (even I think it's like a bad joke than an actual DLC) I also tested, and while I can't speak for everyone, this DLC corrupts face codes and by extent your custom character face in ME3 is screwed, yeah basically the infamous face import bug. As I said I can't speak for others, but for me this DLC was the culprit. I actually came to like it over my many, many playthroughs. You can get an apartment out of it (that was sadly missing from ME2 and ME3) and taking down that arrogant turian is worth it alone. It's a challenge, though it can be somewhat tedious at times. Besides, it's not really any worse than Armax Arsenal Arena. I don't mind the challenge, it's more as you said, tedious, and tedious becomes boring at some point. But well is an extra of an extra, so it's not like you will miss something, it's up to the user to decide what's what in the end anyway. In my case as it corrupts some files, is basically useless. I never played Armax Arsenal Arena now that you mention it, I have Citadel, but never came to try it.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Apr 24, 2018 10:48:41 GMT
Now that i've seen the "famous" Pinnacle Station DLC, not only is the worst DLC ever, (even I think it's like a bad joke than an actual DLC) I also tested, and while I can't speak for everyone, this DLC corrupts face codes and by extent your custom character face in ME3 is screwed, yeah basically the infamous face import bug. As I said I can't speak for others, but for me this DLC was the culprit. I thought that import bug was 100% on release regardless of which DLC you had? Due to ME1 characters not actually having any face codes. And then they also took out some of the options like purple eyes and if you happened to be using any of those (like myself) you were screwed either way. I had to use a workaround to get it working. Took them an entire month to fix the import bug. Or do you mean it's still happening today when playing that DLC? Never bought ME1 DLC, can't comment.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Apr 24, 2018 10:52:42 GMT
I never played Armax Arsenal Arena now that you mention it, I have Citadel, but never came to try it. Armax Arsenal Arena was good for testing some combinations in the game, but the fighting was as tedious as in whole game/mp because of the clunky mechanics of moving. If you liked that, test it, it might be fun for a while. Also isnt one of the companion missions there too? (its soooo long time I played it)
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Post by sil on Apr 24, 2018 10:57:03 GMT
I never played Armax Arsenal Arena now that you mention it, I have Citadel, but never came to try it. Armax Arsenal Arena was good for testing some combinations in the game, but the fighting was as tedious as in whole game/mp because of the clunky mechanics of moving. If you liked that, test it, it might be fun for a while. Also isnt one of the companion missions there too? (its soooo long time I played it) Armax Arsenal Arena is entertaining until you've completed the 'storyline', then it gets a bit dull. I wish they had had a championship of some kind to fight in, that could've been fun.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 24, 2018 11:03:42 GMT
I never played Armax Arsenal Arena now that you mention it, I have Citadel, but never came to try it. Armax Arsenal Arena was good for testing some combinations in the game, but the fighting was as tedious as in whole game/mp because of the clunky mechanics of moving. If you liked that, test it, it might be fun for a while. Also isnt one of the companion missions there too? (its soooo long time I played it) Jack asks you to come by there but I wouldn't call it necessary. Given that you win Cerberus armor, and I hate them, the prizes don't really do it for me. Does it make sense to wear the armor of a group that's actively preventing you from stopping the Reapers? Seems like a good way to get shot.
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Post by warden on Apr 24, 2018 11:13:46 GMT
Now that i've seen the "famous" Pinnacle Station DLC, not only is the worst DLC ever, (even I think it's like a bad joke than an actual DLC) I also tested, and while I can't speak for everyone, this DLC corrupts face codes and by extent your custom character face in ME3 is screwed, yeah basically the infamous face import bug. As I said I can't speak for others, but for me this DLC was the culprit. I thought that import bug was 100% on release regardless of which DLC you had? Due to ME1 characters not actually having any face codes. And then they also took out some of the options like purple eyes and if you happened to be using any of those (like myself) you were screwed either way. I had to use a workaround to get it working. Took them an entire month to fix the import bug. Or do you mean it's still happening today when playing that DLC? Never bought ME1 DLC, can't comment. The face import bug never was 100% fixed. And yes when I play Pinnacle Station my custom Shepard face gets screwed in ME3, and when I don't play it, My custom Shepard face imports to ME3 without issues.
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