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Post by dmc1001 on May 13, 2018 17:09:40 GMT
Well, it certainly cuts me out of Anthem... Friends or no, I simply cannot play online with my "lack of quality" internet. Yeah, I've also got this issue, along with my internet periodically going down for no discernible reason.
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Post by abaris on May 13, 2018 17:37:02 GMT
Anyone willing to bet that MMO'S are what Bioware have planned for all their games (even Dragon Age 4 and Mass Effect.)With loot box's and micro transactions? I'm not even sure what's really left of Bioware. In terms of decision making that is. Sure, there's staff and studios, but it's easy to slap a label over a studio if you own the rights to a brand. EA certainly thinks that online is the more lucrative future. As for me, I don't expect anything of value coming from Bioware anymore. Hopefully other studios will take over, fill the gap, or simply continue to do what they're doing without being bought off.
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Post by alanc9 on May 13, 2018 18:42:50 GMT
Does that matter? It's not like Bioware historically thought of themselves as an SP-only shop. Independent Bio almost ruined NWN with an obsessive MP focus.
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Post by alanc9 on May 13, 2018 18:43:45 GMT
Can't they have loot boxes and MTs without being MMOs? Hell if I know, EA loves slapping them in every chance they get. That's why I thought it was a lousy metric for MMO-ness.
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Post by abaris on May 13, 2018 18:51:42 GMT
Does that matter? It's not like Bioware historically thought of themselves as an SP-only shop. Independent Bio almost ruined NWN with an obsessive MP focus. Did they? I enjoyed NWN without going MP even once. But that was me being a pen and paper veteran, fully expecting to get D&D rules and experience.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 13, 2018 19:04:12 GMT
Does that matter? It's not like Bioware historically thought of themselves as an SP-only shop. Independent Bio almost ruined NWN with an obsessive MP focus. You know, I never really noticed? I played NWN but don't even remember the MP part. I loved that game.
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Post by griffith82 on May 14, 2018 12:27:47 GMT
Does that matter? It's not like Bioware historically thought of themselves as an SP-only shop. Independent Bio almost ruined NWN with an obsessive MP focus. Did they? I enjoyed NWN without going MP even once. But that was me being a pen and paper veteran, fully expecting to get D&D rules and experience. That’s one series I’ve never played. Wonder if I’d like it.
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Post by abaris on May 14, 2018 13:07:54 GMT
That’s one series I’ve never played. Wonder if I’d like it. Graphics have aged. In fact they already weren't on top even in the year 2002 when it first came out. Also not to be mistaken for NWN2, which was created by Obsidian five years later.
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Post by alanc9 on May 14, 2018 15:14:39 GMT
Does that matter? It's not like Bioware historically thought of themselves as an SP-only shop. Independent Bio almost ruined NWN with an obsessive MP focus. Did they? I enjoyed NWN without going MP even once. But that was me being a pen and paper veteran, fully expecting to get D&D rules and experience. As a D&D player you should know how lousy the stock rest mechanic and lack of a real party system were, then. We didn't get the real D&D experience. Note that the original design had no companions at all -- they were a late addition when fans (playtesters?) protested. That's why the original implementation was so half-assed. SP was an afterthought.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2018 16:29:02 GMT
It annoys me that it has a Cerberus symbol on it too dmc1001 , but the Cerberus Spirit armor is my favorite armor in the game. It looks amazing and has the best stat boosts for pretty much any power based build. (which is what I normally go for!) It would be nice if someone made a mod to make it armor with the N7 logo and coloring. Honestly, I think Armax Arsenal would be tried for treason in a post-attempted Cerberus Coup Citadel. It's been done.
There's a mod with several different recolors/retextures for the Armax Arsenal armor.
There are also quite a few other armor mods - some recolors, retextures, some imported from ME1, some that have different sets of stats.
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Post by griffith82 on May 14, 2018 16:55:58 GMT
That’s one series I’ve never played. Wonder if I’d like it. Graphics have aged. In fact they already weren't on top even in the year 2002 when it first came out. Also not to be mistaken for NWN2, which was created by Obsidian five years later. If graphics bothered me I’d never boot up my nes,snes,genesis or n64 games.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2018 17:35:19 GMT
Companionship means that our stories are always presented as shared experiences. You’re not a solitary character walking around by yourself—in a BioWare game you’re always adventuring with a group of friends. Sometimes those friends are other players like in Neverwinter Nights, and Star Wars: The Old Republic. Sometimes they are fictional characters, like in Mass Effect and Dragon Age. However we design it, we always want to capture the special feeling of being on a journey with memorable companions. I like the sounds of that - it makes me a bit more hopeful that there will be NPC followers you can recruit. Well, they've managed to pique my curiosity. It'll be interesting to learn more about their approach. FWIW, NPC followers are a huge draw for me, as are the romances. I'm curious to learn more about how (or if) they're handling those in Anthem.
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Post by Pounce de León on May 17, 2018 9:00:41 GMT
Does that matter? It's not like Bioware historically thought of themselves as an SP-only shop. Independent Bio almost ruined NWN with an obsessive MP focus. You know, I never really noticed? I played NWN but don't even remember the MP part. I loved that game. It had MP?
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Post by river82 on May 17, 2018 9:05:20 GMT
Did they? I enjoyed NWN without going MP even once. But that was me being a pen and paper veteran, fully expecting to get D&D rules and experience. That’s one series I’ve never played. Wonder if I’d like it. Neverwinter Nights wasn't really a game but rather a powerful toolset that allowed consumers to create their own stories and campaigns for friends to partake in. The single player campaign that shipped was almost like an example of what you could do with that toolset. If you wanted to play multiplayer it was amazing, if you just wanted to play the single player campaign it was mediocrity personified.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 17, 2018 14:54:13 GMT
You know, I never really noticed? I played NWN but don't even remember the MP part. I loved that game. It had MP? I wasn't aware of it. It was alanc9 who said so.
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Post by alanc9 on May 17, 2018 15:32:19 GMT
You guys are not alone. While the primary design vision for NWN was co-op small-group play with a DM -- essentially, the PnP game but online -- it turned out that was the least-common playstyle in actual practice. Bio tracking data confirmed that the vast majority of players never went online at all; most didn't even download any user-made content. And the majority of the minority who did use the MP feature used it to play in persistent worlds (sort of small MMOs).
To their credit, Bio did what they could to support the playstyles that people were actually using. There was an amusing flap when the campaign in the second expansion turned out to be SP-only and the co-op players protested. The response was that there simply weren't enough co-op players for implementing that style to be worth the dev time.
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Post by Iakus on May 17, 2018 20:56:45 GMT
You guys are not alone. While the primary design vision for NWN was co-op small-group play with a DM -- essentially, the PnP game but online -- it turned out that was the least-common playstyle in actual practice. Bio tracking data confirmed that the vast majority of players never went online at all; most didn't even download any user-made content. And the majority of the minority who did use the MP feature used it to play in persistent worlds (sort of small MMOs). To their credit, Bio did what they could to support the playstyles that people were actually using. There was an amusing flap when the campaign in the second expansion turned out to be SP-only and the co-op players protested. The response was that there simply weren't enough co-op players for implementing that style to be worth the dev time. I wonder what happened?
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Post by griffith82 on May 22, 2018 13:30:45 GMT
You guys are not alone. While the primary design vision for NWN was co-op small-group play with a DM -- essentially, the PnP game but online -- it turned out that was the least-common playstyle in actual practice. Bio tracking data confirmed that the vast majority of players never went online at all; most didn't even download any user-made content. And the majority of the minority who did use the MP feature used it to play in persistent worlds (sort of small MMOs). To their credit, Bio did what they could to support the playstyles that people were actually using. There was an amusing flap when the campaign in the second expansion turned out to be SP-only and the co-op players protested. The response was that there simply weren't enough co-op players for implementing that style to be worth the dev time. I wonder what happened? Might have a bit to do with the 2001 satanic controversy surrounding D&D.
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Post by Guardian on May 23, 2018 16:17:09 GMT
Might have a bit to do with the 2001 satanic controversy surrounding D&D.
The Satanic controversy was alive and kicking back in the 80's. It's (one of) the reason why TSR changed "Devil" and "Demon" to "Baatezu" and "Tanar'ri"
But it's possible the renewed controversy played a part.
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Post by griffith82 on May 23, 2018 16:29:55 GMT
Might have a bit to do with the 2001 satanic controversy surrounding D&D.
The Satanic controversy was alive and kicking back in the 80's. It's (one of) the reason why TSR changed "Devil" and "Demon" to "Baatezu" and "Tanar'ri"
But it's possible the renewed controversy played a part.
I only played D&D a few times but those accusations always made me laugh. It didn’t help though that there were groups that took it way too far.
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Post by Guardian on May 23, 2018 19:12:26 GMT
The Satanic controversy was alive and kicking back in the 80's. It's (one of) the reason why TSR changed "Devil" and "Demon" to "Baatezu" and "Tanar'ri"
But it's possible the renewed controversy played a part.
I only played D&D a few times but those accusations always made me laugh. It didn’t help though that there were groups that took it way too far.
Agreed; it's always those ones that are how we're all perceived.
I always wanted to tell those people that took it too far - "Lighten up; it's just a game."
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Post by KaiserShep on May 23, 2018 20:19:51 GMT
I have no doubt if I played D&D, I'd probably include actual satanic stuff out of spite.
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Post by griffith82 on May 23, 2018 21:14:52 GMT
I only played D&D a few times but those accusations always made me laugh. It didn’t help though that there were groups that took it way too far.
Agreed; it's always those ones that are how we're all perceived.
I always wanted to tell those people that took it too far - "Lighten up; it's just a game."
I got out when my group decided stealing from Walmart was good RP. I refused to go they went to jail for grand larceny.
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Post by Guardian on May 23, 2018 22:54:23 GMT
I got out when my group decided stealing from Walmart was good RP. I refused to go they went to jail for grand larceny.
Good choice. I'd have refused to go as well.
As I said before, it's those people that often are the ones that are seen as how we all are.
Anyway, didn't mean to derail the thread. Please continue!
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Post by steamshipman on May 24, 2018 3:35:38 GMT
If you wanted to play multiplayer it was amazing, if you just wanted to play the single player campaign it was mediocrity personified. Lady Aribeth though Also, Hordes of Underdark was fantastic. My most replayed game until Mass Effect.
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