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Post by guanxi on Apr 21, 2018 9:29:33 GMT
Here's how: Either in book or comic book, tv show, codex entry or as merely off screen background details you've been tasked with resolving the dangling Kett plot thread... how would you do it?
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Post by guanxi on Apr 21, 2018 9:30:10 GMT
I'd personally go with the narrative that the Kett armada arrived in Helios at near full strength following ME:A and it looked like the harvest was all but assured. The Kett began assimilating the milky way settlers, notably turning captured Krogan settlers into ascended behemoths, their elite units. In service of this goal they set up breeding/conversion facilities all over Elaaden having cured them of their 'genetic imperfections' and I think we all see where this is going.
Before long (weeks) the Krogan overran their facilities, re-established the Krogan Empire, fought the monsters back to the abyss and followed them home... leaving Helios in a sea of green blood mockingly referred to as 'the crusades' (jokingly in reference to Kett religious fundamentalism). The resurgent Krogan are out there somewhere pillaging away Kett space like marauding Viking dinosaurs and from hence forth whenever we encounter Krogan NPCs they will give us the latest resplendent tales of glorious battles and encounters with other races, etc. This would be a great way to expand the wider lore and lead to lots of fun speculations from everyone.
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Post by correctamundo on Apr 21, 2018 10:21:39 GMT
Doubt it. Exaltation as we know it may "cure" the genophage but on the other hand all Kett we know of are sterile. No sexual reproduction, only reproduction through exaltation.
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Post by guanxi on Apr 21, 2018 10:28:09 GMT
Doubt it. Exaltation as we know it may "cure" the genophage but on the other hand all Kett we know of are sterile. No sexual reproduction, only reproduction through exaltation. You would need to reproduce Krogan test subjects in order to exalt them or at the very least mass produce krogan genetic material required for exaltation on an industrial scale, hence reproduction & conversion. To be honest I think the hubris of their leadership is such that they wouldn't consider removing their genetic imperfections a significant threat to them, they would consider it a gift to the krogan, their believe system seems to indicate that Kett should be genetically pure so it stands to reason that as part of their genetic experimentation re-purposing they would want the generic material in best possible condition (prior to exhalation). More than anything I just think it would be rather poetically apt if the Kett became conquered by a species they tried to exalt due to their perceived gift of genetic perfection being turned against them, the fatal flaw of the genetic thieves being the genetics they couldn't control. Krogan reproduction being the ultimate form of biological warfare they had not anticipated.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2018 12:24:12 GMT
I really don't know why you'd write them out of the series this early. There's a lot we don't know about them yet and they can always be made more interesting by fleshing them out in different ways. If Bioware wants to write them out of the series, the easiest way would be to have the Initiative lose heart and simply give up on Andromeda, have the remaining survivors go back into cryo on Nexus and return to the Milky Way now 1200 years after they left.
If not writing them out of the series and continuing with a story in Andromeda, I would potentially go with this:
As of the end of ME:A, Primus is poised to take over as the Kett leader, but nobody knows his background. We do know that he's was stirring the pot of discontent among the kett. For argument's sake, let's say that the kett actually figured out how to exalt humans and asari shortly after Nexus arrived in Heleus and that all kett ascendant were asari (and their exaltation shield is an adaption of the biotic barrier). Kett Destined could be exalted humans (based on the infiltrator profile, with sniper rifle and cloaking ability). Instead of the Krogan being the first species the kett figure out how to exalt, they are the second last and the Salarians are the ones giving them real trouble.
Let's say, Primus was dear old dad, who remembers his old life a little more strongly than the rest and who has been honestly working to undermine the Archon. We are now perhaps poised to create an additional alliance with the Kett against a greater enemy threat - the Jaardan or to have to go to all out war against our own father.
At this stage, we know absolutely nothing about the Jaardan other than they had the technological ability to create the Angara and, perhaps, the Remnant and they were attempting to revitalize the cluster when they were attacked by an even greater enemy (or the scourge). We don't know what the scourge is doing to adjacent clusters and potentially to the Milky Way (if what started it is the firing of the Crucible). Unknown to us, we're in a race to stop the scourge from completely destroying both galaxies. We need to figure it out and figure out a way to get back to the Milky Way as well. Creating some sort of fast-travel mechanism between Andromeda and the Milky Way is key. Ultimately the game covers two galaxies and we have a a multitude of new species we haven't met yet and places we haven't explored yet. The possibilities are endless.
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Post by griffith82 on Apr 21, 2018 13:11:22 GMT
I really don't know why you'd write them out of the series this early. There's a lot we don't know about them yet and they can always be made more interesting by fleshing them out in different ways. If Bioware wants to write them out of the series, the easiest way would be to have the Initiative lose heart and simply give up on Andromeda, have the remaining survivors go back into cryo on Nexus and return to the Milky Way now 1200 years after they left. If not writing them out of the series and continuing with a story in Andromeda, I would potentially go with this: As of the end of ME:A, Primus is poised to take over as the Kett leader, but nobody knows his background. We do know that he's was stirring the pot of discontent among the kett. For argument's sake, let's say that the kett actually figured out how to exalt humans and asari shortly after Nexus arrived in Heleus and that all kett ascendant were asari (and their exaltation shield is an adaption of the biotic barrier). Kett Destined could be exalted humans (based on the infiltrator profile, with sniper rifle and cloaking ability). Instead of the Krogan being the first species the kett figure out how to exalt, they are the second last and the Salarians are the ones giving them real trouble. Let's say, Primus was dear old dad, who remembers his old life a little more strongly than the rest and who has been honestly working to undermine the Archon. We are now perhaps poised to create an additional alliance with the Kett against a greater enemy threat - the Jaardan or to have to go to all out war against our own father. At this stage, we know absolutely nothing about the Jaardan other than they had the technological ability to create the Angara and, perhaps, the Remnant and they were attempting to revitalize the cluster when they were attacked by an even greater enemy (or the scourge). We don't know what the scourge is doing to adjacent clusters and potentially to the Milky Way (if what started it is the firing of the Crucible). Unknown to us, we're in a race to stop the scourge from completely destroying both galaxies. We need to figure it out and figure out a way to get back to the Milky Way as well. Creating some sort of fast-travel mechanism between Andromeda and the Milky Way is key. Ultimately the game covers two galaxies and we have a a multitude of new species we haven't met yet and places we haven't explored yet. The possibilities are endless. I wouldn’t like abandoning the Andromeda galaxy so fast or writing out the Kett so soon. I do like the idea that the scourge could threaten both galaxies but I’m not sure how a fast travel option would work without some type of wormhole or “gate” technology which would completely break ME lore if not done right. Personally this is what I would do. I like your idea that the Primus could be Dad but I think the Primus was here before we arrived I could be wrong though. I would continue to explore their origins and motives and try to drive them away or destroy them by the end of MEA3. I would also continue to explore who the Jardaan were, are they still alive elsewhere in Andromeda and what exactly created the scourge. So much more to explore and games are the best way to do it.
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Post by natetrace on Apr 21, 2018 13:18:40 GMT
I don't think I'd write them out, but I might create a species that poses an even bigger threat. I would make two or three new races in neighboring clusters who would help us fight the Kett and the new threat. Andromeda doesn't have relays so travel is a bit limited.
Primus is interesting, isn't she a former Angaran? She looks just like the Cardinal. I can see her not being the main baddie but I can see her reporting to the Senate and maybe the Kett main bad dude is a general or something, or some Uber powerful Kett wizard guy.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2018 13:19:08 GMT
I really don't know why you'd write them out of the series this early. There's a lot we don't know about them yet and they can always be made more interesting by fleshing them out in different ways. If Bioware wants to write them out of the series, the easiest way would be to have the Initiative lose heart and simply give up on Andromeda, have the remaining survivors go back into cryo on Nexus and return to the Milky Way now 1200 years after they left. If not writing them out of the series and continuing with a story in Andromeda, I would potentially go with this: As of the end of ME:A, Primus is poised to take over as the Kett leader, but nobody knows his background. We do know that he's was stirring the pot of discontent among the kett. For argument's sake, let's say that the kett actually figured out how to exalt humans and asari shortly after Nexus arrived in Heleus and that all kett ascendant were asari (and their exaltation shield is an adaption of the biotic barrier). Kett Destined could be exalted humans (based on the infiltrator profile, with sniper rifle and cloaking ability). Instead of the Krogan being the first species the kett figure out how to exalt, they are the second last and the Salarians are the ones giving them real trouble. Let's say, Primus was dear old dad, who remembers his old life a little more strongly than the rest and who has been honestly working to undermine the Archon. We are now perhaps poised to create an additional alliance with the Kett against a greater enemy threat - the Jaardan or to have to go to all out war against our own father. At this stage, we know absolutely nothing about the Jaardan other than they had the technological ability to create the Angara and, perhaps, the Remnant and they were attempting to revitalize the cluster when they were attacked by an even greater enemy (or the scourge). We don't know what the scourge is doing to adjacent clusters and potentially to the Milky Way (if what started it is the firing of the Crucible). Unknown to us, we're in a race to stop the scourge from completely destroying both galaxies. We need to figure it out and figure out a way to get back to the Milky Way as well. Creating some sort of fast-travel mechanism between Andromeda and the Milky Way is key. Ultimately the game covers two galaxies and we have a a multitude of new species we haven't met yet and places we haven't explored yet. The possibilities are endless. I wouldn’t like abandoning the Andromeda galaxy so fast or writing out the Kett so soon. I do like the idea that the scourge could threaten both galaxies but I’m not sure how a fast travel option would work without some type of wormhole or “gate” technology which would completely break ME lore if not done right. Personally this is what I would do. I like your idea that the Primus could be Dad but I think the Primus was here before we arrived I could be wrong though. I would continue to explore their origins and motives and try to drive them away or destroy them by the end of MEA3. I would also continue to explore who the Jardaan were, are they still alive elsewhere in Andromeda and what exactly created the scourge. So much more to explore and games are the best way to do it. I think it would be easy at this point to introduce a new "gate" technology without affecting the Relay lore at all. We have no idea what technology the Jaardan possess(ed). They aren't restricted by the old lore since they are a completely new and largely undefined species at this point in an entirely different galaxy than the Milky Way. Currently, they are even outside the Heleus Cluster. We also know that Meridian itself can travel through space... we just don't know everything it might be capable of doing... yet.
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Post by griffith82 on Apr 21, 2018 13:21:43 GMT
I wouldn’t like abandoning the Andromeda galaxy so fast or writing out the Kett so soon. I do like the idea that the scourge could threaten both galaxies but I’m not sure how a fast travel option would work without some type of wormhole or “gate” technology which would completely break ME lore if not done right. Personally this is what I would do. I like your idea that the Primus could be Dad but I think the Primus was here before we arrived I could be wrong though. I would continue to explore their origins and motives and try to drive them away or destroy them by the end of MEA3. I would also continue to explore who the Jardaan were, are they still alive elsewhere in Andromeda and what exactly created the scourge. So much more to explore and games are the best way to do it. I think it would be easy at this point to introduce a new "gate" technology without affecting the Relay lore at all. We have no idea what technology the Jaardan possess(ed). They aren't restricted by the old lore since they are a completely new and largely undefined species at this point in an entirely different galaxy than the Milky Way. Currently, they are even outside the Heleus Cluster. We also know that Meridian itself can travel through space... we just don't know everything it might be capable of doing... yet. That’s true I didn’t think about Meridian. It’s possible but I’m still not a fan of going back.....yet. Too much left to do in Andromeda.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 21, 2018 14:17:28 GMT
I wouldn't write them off. I would have it where Primus talks with the big kett boss. They send reinforcements and go on the offensive. They attack and destroy the Nexus. Then go after the outposts destroying them. Once done, they say **** you Helius. were going over to the unga bunga cluster to start exalting there. Have a nice day.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2018 14:23:02 GMT
I think it would be easy at this point to introduce a new "gate" technology without affecting the Relay lore at all. We have no idea what technology the Jaardan possess(ed). They aren't restricted by the old lore since they are a completely new and largely undefined species at this point in an entirely different galaxy than the Milky Way. Currently, they are even outside the Heleus Cluster. We also know that Meridian itself can travel through space... we just don't know everything it might be capable of doing... yet. That’s true I didn’t think about Meridian. It’s possible but I’m still not a fan of going back.....yet. Too much left to do in Andromeda. I agree. One thing that caused me to put together my musing about dear old dad being the Primus is the similarity between the trailer and the end of the game. In the one trailer, we see an N7 turn away from the galaxy map and walk directly towards the screen. At the end of the game, we see Primus do almost exactly the same thing. I can't help but wonder if Bioware wasn't actually foreshadowing that the two are one in the same. N7 = dear old dad; Primus = N7... Primus = dear old dad. The second thing is that I question how it was possible for Archon to obtain a hollow of Alec communicating with the monolith on H7. He wasn't there when Alec did that nor was there any indication of any of those little flying things being around to record the event. I think Alec did survive and was taken by the kett and asked to repeat the feat... only he couldn't really do it because SAM had already been transferred to young Ryder. The only visual thing out of place is Alec's helmet, which is on him during the hollow scene... unless that's actually young Ryder's broken helmet... but then I can't explain why the visor appears to be intact in the hollow (Still Bioware might have just been trying to disguise the situation so as to not completely let us in on that story line until a second game. Part of me also wonders if the story in Andromeda is really just the set up to continue with Drew's dark energy problem in the Milky Way. Meridian, as we know, has the ability to revitalize at least one entire cluster (at least for a time). ME2 started to set up the Milky Way as a dying galaxy due to dark energy: ref: www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-06-19-ex-bioware-writer-discusses-dropped-ideas-for-mass-effect-trilogy-endingThe above is a quote from an article where Drew was describing the dark energy plot. Part of me thinks that the sojourn to Andromeda might have just been Bioware's way of connecting everything together and, perhaps, giving us some means to "fix" or "prevent" a dark energy disaster in the Milky Way.
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Post by Element Zero on Apr 21, 2018 16:19:52 GMT
“Writing them out” is a terrible idea. They may've been poorly implemented, but they have a ton of potential. What’s their origin story? Are there any fractures within their society? Can they eventually be swayed from their genocidal approach? Imagine their potential contributions to a multi-species culture if they didn’t forcibly assimilate. If the mind-wiping effect, which seems intentional and calculated, could be mitigated, “turning Kett” would offer some perks. In a galaxy of trillions, some would likely choose the transformation under friendlier circumstances. (No aging or Slow aging; likely resistance or immunity to many diseases; ridiculously robust, etc...) The Kett have tons of potential. We’ve pretty much only seen the tip of the iceberg with them. We have only a small snapshot of a huge empire and culture.
I wish the series had stayed in the MW. I’d like to go back, eventually. I’d prefer 22C games to 29C games. Still, they’ve started this story and it has a ton of potential. Lots of good threads are there; they just weren’t well presented. (I always wonder how much ended up on the cutting room floor with VGs that lack cohesion or polish.) It may never happen, but this story deserves a concluding game. They need to write it much better than the first. The frequent, excessively cheesy dialogue and the boring opening hours combined with its unfinished state to kill MEA. It could’ve been really good, though. The good bones are present; they just botched the implementation.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 21, 2018 16:37:04 GMT
They have an empire. It wouldn't be possible to just write them out without leaving a huge void in the narrative. An empire doesn't just disappear, unless of course they were completely wiped out by something worse, in which case, how do our allies deal with that without another Reapers v Crucible scenario?
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 21, 2018 17:05:49 GMT
I wouldn't write them out. Whatever you think of the Archon, it was pretty clear he was something like a fleet admiral sent to conquer a star system. But one of many admirals, with even more people ranking above him. We've barely seen what they really are so no point it getting rid of them until we at least know that much.
EDIT: I would call writing the kett out akin to saying "Well, we kicked Sovereign's ass so clearly they're weak and we should write the Reapers out".
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 21, 2018 17:51:17 GMT
Shouldn't we answer the "why" before jumping into the "how"?
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Post by cypherj on Apr 21, 2018 20:15:26 GMT
I wouldn't write them out. I would just move time ahead some and have it where other species in the universe came together to oppose the Kett, and have halted their spread through the galaxy. They find you in the Helius Cluster and add the AI and the Angarans to the alliance, opening up some more of the galaxy, where you would see just what the Kett have done, just what the stakes are in stopping them.
Then after seeing how devastating their tactics are, you could have a fringe of the Kett that didn't agree with what the leadership was doing, so they aided the other races, allowing them to push back against the Kett. Just say Kett exalt because they can't procreate, but leadership got power hungry and used the technology to create an empire. Not all Kett agree with this approach.
This would add more dimensions to the Kett. They don't need to write the Kett out, they just need to write them less generic and forgettable, and make them into something that you fear, and maybe sympathize with after meeting Kett that don't agree with everything that is going on.
But if they're just going to send a new commander leading a new group to Helius and you defeat them again, they may as well just write them out though.
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Post by sil on Apr 21, 2018 22:04:50 GMT
I wouldn't write out the Kett, the only thing I'd write out is the instant Kettification. That was absurd, and should've taken longer to feel more real rather than fantastical.
I liked a lot of the rest of the Kett, and I'm still intrigued by the message between the benefactor and kett.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 21, 2018 22:31:36 GMT
I wouldn't write out the Kett, the only thing I'd write out is the instant Kettification. That was absurd, and should've taken longer to feel more real rather than fantastical. I liked a lot of the rest of the Kett, and I'm still intrigued by the message between the benefactor and kett. I've had a pet theory that the kett had once been in the MW and were linked to the MB. It was that connection that led the AI to head to Heleus, though I'd say the way it turned out was unexpected.
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Post by sil on Apr 21, 2018 22:37:51 GMT
I wouldn't write out the Kett, the only thing I'd write out is the instant Kettification. That was absurd, and should've taken longer to feel more real rather than fantastical. I liked a lot of the rest of the Kett, and I'm still intrigued by the message between the benefactor and kett. I've had a pet theory that the kett had once been in the MW and were linked to the MB. It was that connection that led the AI to head to Heleus, though I'd say the way it turned out was unexpected. I'd agree with that, the letter involving Benefactor & Kett mentions that they visited his homeworld. The question is... how? Perhaps there are Jaardan ruins in the MW too, and some kind of gateway linking the two galaxies.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 21, 2018 22:49:49 GMT
I've had a pet theory that the kett had once been in the MW and were linked to the MB. It was that connection that led the AI to head to Heleus, though I'd say the way it turned out was unexpected. I'd agree with that, the letter involving Benefactor & Kett mentions that they visited his homeworld. The question is... how? Perhaps there are Jaardan ruins in the MW too, and some kind of gateway linking the two galaxies. Beyond that, maybe it was a potential to return to the MW....something that could link the MET and MEA.
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Post by sil on Apr 21, 2018 22:52:06 GMT
I'd agree with that, the letter involving Benefactor & Kett mentions that they visited his homeworld. The question is... how? Perhaps there are Jaardan ruins in the MW too, and some kind of gateway linking the two galaxies. Beyond that, maybe it was a potential to return to the MW....something that could link the MET and MEA. I'm half expecting Ploba to not be a 'Jupiter brain' but to be the MW end of a gateway
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Post by griffith82 on Apr 21, 2018 22:56:44 GMT
I wouldn't write out the Kett, the only thing I'd write out is the instant Kettification. That was absurd, and should've taken longer to feel more real rather than fantastical. I liked a lot of the rest of the Kett, and I'm still intrigued by the message between the benefactor and kett. I agree and here is how I’d remedy that without a full retcon. That was a protype serum that while it appears to fully convert it doesn’t and has an unintended side effect. That subject retains more and more of who they were and are reverting.
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Post by sil on Apr 21, 2018 23:40:50 GMT
I wouldn't write out the Kett, the only thing I'd write out is the instant Kettification. That was absurd, and should've taken longer to feel more real rather than fantastical. I liked a lot of the rest of the Kett, and I'm still intrigued by the message between the benefactor and kett. I agree and here is how I’d remedy that without a full retcon. That was a protype serum that while it appears to fully convert it doesn’t and has an unintended side effect. That subject retains more and more of who they were and are reverting. That might work, or that it's the last serum in a list of various other procedures.
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Post by Element Zero on Apr 22, 2018 2:43:08 GMT
I think the “benefactor” note was a red herring. Plenty of people have benefactors. Not all of them are the Benefactor. I just can’t see any viable, non-corny connection.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 22, 2018 2:44:38 GMT
I think the “benefactor” note was a red herring. Plenty of people have benefactors. Not all of them are the Benefactor. I just can’t see any viable, non-corny connection. Or not. Imagine if the kett were created as something to fight the Reapers? Then they went astray and we had something that backfired. Sort of like how the Intelligence itself backfired on the Leviathan.
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