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Post by Iakus on Aug 11, 2018 17:20:58 GMT
What do you mean romance has a sex scene? Your post d(oe)snt eve:n ma:ke sense. Its perfectly reasonable to have a romance without sex, trust me, ive done it for the last six years. What is it that you are talking about subject poster? Providing an anecdotal case where someone was romantically involved with someone else for a long time without having sex is irrelevant to the question. The simple truth is that for 99% of people (at least), romance and sex are connected. Not to say that you can't have sex without romance, but that for the vast majority of people physical intimacy in general and sex in particular tend to be an important part of a romantic relationship. (ideally anyway) The fact is that for a handful of people the two aren't connected at all, is simply not relevant to most people. Getting back on topic, I think it really boils down to immersion and realistic depiction of whatever it is you are trying to depict. Of course, sex doesn't have to be shown, it could be implied, but I'd say that physical intimacy in general and sex in particular are an important part of the realistic depiction of a romantic relationship, simply because they tend to be likewise an important part of such in reality. I would point out that quite a few movies, tv shows, and novels have romantic subplots but with little or nothing in the way of sex scenes. Or at most, the proverbial "fade to black" |
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Post by NotN7 on Aug 11, 2018 21:19:18 GMT
I would point out that quite a few movies, tv shows, and novels have romantic subplots but with little or nothing in the way of sex scenes. Or at most, the proverbial "fade to black" I did say that sex could be implied as well, and I'm not saying that you couldn't just skip it, I'm merely saying that it's an important part of romance, and therefore it makes sense to include it. You could also just skip it entirely, and depending on the type of story it will either make sense or feel like a break in immersion. Of course, that's not to say that there aren't pitfalls with depiction of sex, like with every other aspects of story telling. You could easily make it seem awkward, ridiculously unrealistic, or just make viewers extremely uncomfortable. Ideally, if you do it you should aim to do it well, like everything else really. I myself agree, (old school here) sex scenes? well to me its a matter of timing, too soon its just a one night stand, if time goes buy and the couple still want each other then sure. |
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Post by pessimistpanda on Aug 12, 2018 2:37:01 GMT
I still don't see any problem with just leaving it totally ambiguous as to whether any sex occurred or not. I'm perfectly capable of imagining that my character got laid, without needing to see it on screen.
After all, DA doesn't actually show any sex when you patronise the in-game brothels. Whatever happened or didn't happen is largely left up to imagination. They could do the same with the romance subplots very easily.
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Post by cloud9 on Aug 12, 2018 2:51:31 GMT
I still don't see any problem with just leaving it totally ambiguous as to whether any sex occurred or not. I'm perfectly capable of imagining that my character got laid, without needing to see it on screen. After all, DA doesn't actually show any sex when you patronise the in-game brothels. Whatever happened or didn't happen is largely left up to imagination. They could do the same with the romance subplots very easily. Then what would be the point of putting sexual content if they don't even show it? |
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Post by pessimistpanda on Aug 12, 2018 14:08:27 GMT
I still don't see any problem with just leaving it totally ambiguous as to whether any sex occurred or not. I'm perfectly capable of imagining that my character got laid, without needing to see it on screen. After all, DA doesn't actually show any sex when you patronise the in-game brothels. Whatever happened or didn't happen is largely left up to imagination. They could do the same with the romance subplots very easily. Then what would be the point of putting sexual content if they don't even show it? There wouldn't be any, that's my point. I'm totally fine with a kiss and a fade to black. Even in romantic stories, I've never seen a sex scene that did anything to advance plot or character development in a meaningful way. If I want the explicit details of how two characters got down, I have ready access to pornography, in any format I desire. Even in stories where sex is a major plot point, the only thing that is ever relevant is the fact that the characters had sex, and the consequences that follow on from that (pregnancy, exposure of infidelity, relationships, etc). Never, ever, in any work of fiction I've ever seen, have the particular details of the sexual encounter been remotely relevant. |
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Post by cloud9 on Aug 12, 2018 23:34:52 GMT
Then what would be the point of putting sexual content if they don't even show it? There wouldn't be any, that's my point. I'm totally fine with a kiss and a fade to black. Even in romantic stories, I've never seen a sex scene that did anything to advance plot or character development in a meaningful way. If I want the explicit details of how two characters got down, I have ready access to pornography, in any format I desire. Even in stories where sex is a major plot point, the only thing that is ever relevant is the fact that the characters had sex, and the consequences that follow on from that (pregnancy, exposure of infidelity, relationships, etc). Never, ever, in any work of fiction I've ever seen, have the particular details of the sexual encounter been remotely relevant. They can set up a balance of sex and romance. Take Witcher 3 for example. The romantic moments between Geralt and Triss are well made, and they show a well balanced sex scene to match a romantic relationship. I could understand the whole kiss-fade-to-black in T for Teen games, but the games we're playing are games with mature content. So they should involve sex scenes when it comes to romance. |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 13, 2018 0:03:18 GMT
There wouldn't be any, that's my point. I'm totally fine with a kiss and a fade to black. Even in romantic stories, I've never seen a sex scene that did anything to advance plot or character development in a meaningful way. If I want the explicit details of how two characters got down, I have ready access to pornography, in any format I desire. Even in stories where sex is a major plot point, the only thing that is ever relevant is the fact that the characters had sex, and the consequences that follow on from that (pregnancy, exposure of infidelity, relationships, etc). Never, ever, in any work of fiction I've ever seen, have the particular details of the sexual encounter been remotely relevant. They can set up a balance of sex and romance. Take Witcher 3 for example. The romantic moments between Geralt and Triss are well made, and they show a well balanced sex scene to match a romantic relationship. I could understand the whole kiss-fade-to-black in T for Teen games, but the games we're playing are games with mature content. So they should involve sex scenes when it comes to romance. Okay, let's have balance then. Some romances in the game have sex, some romances in the game don't. There, balance. |
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Post by Lavochkin on Aug 13, 2018 21:38:18 GMT
If my character isn't going to get laid, then i wouldn't bother with a "romance".
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Post by sgtreed24 on Aug 15, 2018 12:44:45 GMT
Doesn't bother me either way. I like the ME1 style best I think. Build up, slight nudity, fade to black. That said, no sex scenes or witcher style scenes are both fine.
But it's not expected in every game. Games like ME or DA sure because it's been set as a precedence, but games like Anthem (which I assume is what the OP quote is about)? I wouldn't even expect there to be much in the way of relationships at all, romantic or otherwise. It's just not that type of game. So, if anyone is expecting that, they're gonna be sorely disappointed.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 29, 2018 3:29:50 GMT
Since CDPR has been brought up in this discussion, one of their devs answered a tweet about this kind of thing.
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Post by phoray on Aug 29, 2018 7:26:32 GMT
DAI stuff was great. Cullen trashing his desk to sweep you up on it was thrilling but also psychologically illuminating to his character.
Thane coming to the room, and Shep touching his hand was touching.
I love sex, I'm sex positive, I don't want to see an Angaran, even one I like, go down on my character. *Shudder of disgust*
I see Cora like a sis, so biased, but the money on that porno scene seemed better spent elsewhere.
Reyes isn't my Canon, but that dancing scene was real sweet. Tender.
I'm a fan of fade to Black with the pre and post scenes adding to the character. Any character that isn't asexual is obviously going to enjoy a good romo in the hay- it says nothing about them that they had an orgasm with PC
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Post by phoray on Aug 29, 2018 7:30:34 GMT
Then what would be the point of putting sexual content if they don't even show it? There wouldn't be any, that's my point. I'm totally fine with a kiss and a fade to black. Even in romantic stories, I've never seen a sex scene that did anything to advance plot or character development in a meaningful way. If I want the explicit details of how two characters got down, I have ready access to pornography, in any format I desire. Even in stories where sex is a major plot point, the only thing that is ever relevant is the fact that the characters had sex, and the consequences that follow on from that (pregnancy, exposure of infidelity, relationships, etc). Never, ever, in any work of fiction I've ever seen, have the particular details of the sexual encounter been remotely relevant. I extra approve of this explaination, better said than mine. |
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Post by Iakus on Aug 29, 2018 14:22:30 GMT
I see Cora like a sis, so biased, but the money on that porno scene seemed better spent elsewhere.So. Much. THIS!!! |
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Post by Iakus on Aug 29, 2018 14:32:50 GMT
Since CDPR has been brought up in this discussion, one of their devs answered a tweet about this kind of thing. While I am glad they are "keeping it in mind" I'm not sure I agree that it makes for a "great shorthand" The thing about sex is that regardless of how each person may feel about it, it is intensely personal. Everyone has a different idea of what should be like, what happens, when, and how. You can't really shorthand that. |
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Post by Shinobu on Aug 30, 2018 2:51:28 GMT
Rewatching the Cora scene, I think the reason I don't really want to see pelvic thrusting at the end is that it implies that Ryder went from zero to 60 in about 3 minutes. Clothed kissing -> naked kissing -> hey, look at this conveniently hip-high console! I mean, I know they've gone without for 630 years, but come on! It just makes Scott seem like a crappy lover. 
I definitely prefer the ME1 style fade to black. However, I do like the naked pillow talk between Scott and Cora better than Shepard and Kaidan's "JOKER'S WAITING FOR YOU ON THE BRIDGE!"
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Post by phoray on Aug 30, 2018 3:43:28 GMT
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 30, 2018 17:11:09 GMT
Then what would be the point of putting sexual content if they don't even show it? There wouldn't be any, that's my point. I'm totally fine with a kiss and a fade to black. Even in romantic stories, I've never seen a sex scene that did anything to advance plot or character development in a meaningful way. If I want the explicit details of how two characters got down, I have ready access to pornography, in any format I desire. Even in stories where sex is a major plot point, the only thing that is ever relevant is the fact that the characters had sex, and the consequences that follow on from that (pregnancy, exposure of infidelity, relationships, etc). Never, ever, in any work of fiction I've ever seen, have the particular details of the sexual encounter been remotely relevant. I can think of a few examples, actually. Nothing that couldn't be handled in some other way, of course. |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 31, 2018 1:07:08 GMT
Since CDPR has been brought up in this discussion, one of their devs answered a tweet about this kind of thing. While I am glad they are "keeping it in mind" I'm not sure I agree that it makes for a "great shorthand" The thing about sex is that regardless of how each person may feel about it, it is intensely personal. Everyone has a different idea of what should be like, what happens, when, and how. You can't really shorthand that. Yeah. While I agree with him that in some media it makes a great storytelling shorthand, that media is the ones where the consumer and the characters are completely disconnected. In things like books or movies and stuff, the characters doing that works as shorthand since it fits the characters while the consumer is just a passive observer. However with video games, or at least some video games like RPGs, the consumer is no longer a passive observer but an active participant in the character's character. Thus like you said it isn't as effective a storytelling shorthand, though I can agree that it is still effective as a mechanical shorthand. But I'm more excited how even CDPR acknowledges that not all romantic relationships are sexual and that they are keeping it in mind. Hopefully something actually comes of it. Either way, some posters can't use CDPR or their games as examples of 'all mature romances involve sex' since even they say that isn't true.  |
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Post by Iakus on Aug 31, 2018 23:30:10 GMT
While I am glad they are "keeping it in mind" I'm not sure I agree that it makes for a "great shorthand" The thing about sex is that regardless of how each person may feel about it, it is intensely personal. Everyone has a different idea of what should be like, what happens, when, and how. You can't really shorthand that. Yeah. While I agree with him that in some media it makes a great storytelling shorthand, that media is the ones where the consumer and the characters are completely disconnected. In things like books or movies and stuff, the characters doing that works as shorthand since it fits the characters while the consumer is just a passive observer. However with video games, or at least some video games like RPGs, the consumer is no longer a passive observer but an active participant in the character's character. Thus like you said it isn't as effective a storytelling shorthand, though I can agree that it is still effective as a mechanical shorthand. But I'm more excited how even CDPR acknowledges that not all romantic relationships are sexual and that they are keeping it in mind. Hopefully something actually comes of it. Either way, some posters can't use CDPR or their games as examples of 'all mature romances involve sex' since even they say that isn't true.  Yup. When games lead to sex scenes and such, I always end up feeling like a creepy voyeur. Not romantic at all. |
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Post by wright1978 on Sept 18, 2018 19:49:34 GMT
As far as i’m Concerned representation of sex is pretty critical element to portraying romantic relationship.
Can’t stand the instances where bioware has attempted the neutered variety.
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Post by cloud9 on Sept 19, 2018 12:22:12 GMT
As far as i’m Concerned representation of sex is pretty critical element to portraying romantic relationship. Can’t stand the instances where bioware has attempted the neutered variety. Thank you. |
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Post by hawkster94 on Sept 19, 2018 14:33:06 GMT
If all you want is simply a sex scene to make romance satisfying for you, then frankly you have bigger problems
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Post by Iakus on Sept 19, 2018 17:49:49 GMT
As far as i’m Concerned representation of sex is pretty critical element to portraying romantic relationship. Can’t stand the instances where bioware has attempted the neutered variety. Care to give an example? |
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Post by wright1978 on Sept 19, 2018 18:49:20 GMT
If all you want is simply a sex scene to make romance satisfying for you, then frankly you have bigger problems Saying that a sex scene is one fundamental of trying to represent intimate relationships properly doesn't suggest you simply want a sex scene alone.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 19, 2018 18:55:09 GMT
As far as i’m Concerned representation of sex is pretty critical element to portraying romantic relationship. Can’t stand the instances where bioware has attempted the neutered variety. Why is sex a critical element in portraying romantic relationships? There are thousands of romantic relationships portrayed without sex. |
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