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Post by Sanunes on Sept 20, 2018 1:37:03 GMT
Thing is, when we talk about the Milky Way and how it works into future Mass Effect stories, the measly 1% affects the entire thing, and if the story is written that we're simply cut off on a remote part of the galaxy, then we're right back where we started. I suspect most people when they say stay in the MW mean the areas we are familiar with, and have a canon ending or something. So yea, if you went into a complete unknown area of the galaxy you would be at the same place as MEA2 is with a couple of plot hooks but not much in the way of meat to work off of. No matter what ending you pick the planets themselves would be unrecognizable with the amount of damaged caused by the Reaper invasion and BioWare would avoid the majority of conflicts. I doubt we would see Quarians or Geth and the Krogans we would interact with would say nothing about the genophage that doesn't include things like The Citadel being destroyed and the relays possibly not working or maybe even destroyed. It sound a lot like what we did with Andromeda just without the baggage and the complaining about how our choices weren't respected.
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 20, 2018 18:16:19 GMT
I suppose this is what's left of "BioWare" fans. A lot of hardcore apologists. Also, who said anything about retconning ME3? I was solely talking about its ending which nobody (but you) like. Doesn't retconning the ending of ME3 fall within the category of retconning ME3? Under what definition of "retconning ME3" would retconning the ending not be included? Also, you didn't actually answer the question.
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Post by griffith82 on Sept 20, 2018 23:35:44 GMT
I suppose this is what's left of "BioWare" fans. A lot of hardcore apologists. Also, who said anything about retconning ME3? I was solely talking about its ending which nobody (but you) like. Plenty do. Don't assume you speak for everyone.
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Post by ahglock on Sept 21, 2018 1:54:07 GMT
I suspect most people when they say stay in the MW mean the areas we are familiar with, and have a canon ending or something. So yea, if you went into a complete unknown area of the galaxy you would be at the same place as MEA2 is with a couple of plot hooks but not much in the way of meat to work off of. No matter what ending you pick the planets themselves would be unrecognizable with the amount of damaged caused by the Reaper invasion and BioWare would avoid the majority of conflicts. I doubt we would see Quarians or Geth and the Krogans we would interact with would say nothing about the genophage that doesn't include things like The Citadel being destroyed and the relays possibly not working or maybe even destroyed. It sound a lot like what we did with Andromeda just without the baggage and the complaining about how our choices weren't respected. Disagree unless you assume it starting up right after ME3 a 20 year time jump could mean enough repairs had happened to make the place recognizable. And if they canonized the ending they can canonize a couple big decisions, whichever would make the better story. Like while I never cure the genophage the Krogan breeding in insane numbers would make a better story arc.
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Post by ahglock on Sept 21, 2018 1:57:00 GMT
I suppose this is what's left of "BioWare" fans. A lot of hardcore apologists. Also, who said anything about retconning ME3? I was solely talking about its ending which nobody (but you) like. Plenty do. Don't assume you speak for everyone. That is an assumption as well. People here don't represent ME gamers. My assumption is if you gathered all the people who cared enough it wold stop a sale they could all meet at Frankies Tiki(a fairly small bar) room in vegas for a drink. And while they wouldn't get the game they wanted at least they could get a bitchin drink.
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Post by Sanunes on Sept 21, 2018 3:42:56 GMT
No matter what ending you pick the planets themselves would be unrecognizable with the amount of damaged caused by the Reaper invasion and BioWare would avoid the majority of conflicts. I doubt we would see Quarians or Geth and the Krogans we would interact with would say nothing about the genophage that doesn't include things like The Citadel being destroyed and the relays possibly not working or maybe even destroyed. It sound a lot like what we did with Andromeda just without the baggage and the complaining about how our choices weren't respected. Disagree unless you assume it starting up right after ME3 a 20 year time jump could mean enough repairs had happened to make the place recognizable. And if they canonized the ending they can canonize a couple big decisions, whichever would make the better story. Like while I never cure the genophage the Krogan breeding in insane numbers would make a better story arc. I am almost certain BioWare won't make anything canon and just saying that there are people (I include myself) would be fine with it doesn't mean that there won't be massive public campaign against them because they went that route by people who didn't even buy the game. Things change a lot after destruction and I doubt 20 years would even make a dent in the recoveries, I think Earth would look like a pre-fab sales yard for a lot longer then that when they are rebuilding so much of the structures and infrastructure.
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Post by ahglock on Sept 21, 2018 4:53:09 GMT
Disagree unless you assume it starting up right after ME3 a 20 year time jump could mean enough repairs had happened to make the place recognizable. And if they canonized the ending they can canonize a couple big decisions, whichever would make the better story. Like while I never cure the genophage the Krogan breeding in insane numbers would make a better story arc. I am almost certain BioWare won't make anything canon and just saying that there are people (I include myself) would be fine with it doesn't mean that there won't be massive public campaign against them because they went that route by people who didn't even buy the game. Things change a lot after destruction and I doubt 20 years would even make a dent in the recoveries, I think Earth would look like a pre-fab sales yard for a lot longer then that when they are rebuilding so much of the structures and infrastructure. Oh I doubt they would or will do it, but I feel there is a lot more material to work with in the MW as you can fix things pretty damn fast with sci-fi science and omni-gel or whatever. Earth might take the longest or maybe thesia but we never really spent time there so its not a huge loss. I just don't think anyone would care if they did at this point, 5 years ago maybe, now I doubt it outside niche internet groups. I think they should stick with MEA at this point but I just think people overestimate what they have to work with setting wise there and I think people over estimate how hard it would be to either canonize the setting in Mw or time jump 100 years and white wash it all into some dialogue and codex entries keeping choices. Its not my preferred choice, but it is doable and I don't think it would estrange enough customers to make a difference. Even right after ME3 the majority of players probably just wanted another good game and wouldn't have cared what choices were kept, after this much time only a handful of people care now.
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 21, 2018 4:55:28 GMT
Won't there be a massive public campaign against Bio for anything they do with ME?
I don't think Earth was actually going to be in all that bad a condition. The Reapers needed to keep the people alive long enough to harvest. Total social or economic collapse would have resulted in people starving before being harvested.
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Post by Sanunes on Sept 21, 2018 5:07:04 GMT
Won't there be a massive public campaign against Bio for anything they do with ME? I don't think Earth was actually going to be in all that bad a condition. The Reapers needed to keep the people alive long enough to harvest. Total social or economic collapse would have resulted in people starving before being harvested. Its about the smaller campaign and trying to avoid them instead of just charging head first into it. Like the Dice comments about female characters in Battlefield with "just deal with it". It seems there has been a negative reaction to that combined with a packed quarter that has hurt pre-order sales. There will always be a controversy, but you don't need to go making one to be combined with whatever else people find. My recollection is that they only needed living to be indoctrinated slaves, but corpses could be harvested as building components. There was just a lot of talk about the destruction on Earth during the game from the conversations and reports that Shepard would hear. Otherwise the times you encounter the Reapers I don't think they would have their troops doing so much destruction at first sight.
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Post by griffith82 on Sept 21, 2018 12:07:23 GMT
Plenty do. Don't assume you speak for everyone. That is an assumption as well. People here don't represent ME gamers. My assumption is if you gathered all the people who cared enough it wold stop a sale they could all meet at Frankies Tiki(a fairly small bar) room in vegas for a drink. And while they wouldn't get the game they wanted at least they could get a bitchin drink. Thank you you made my point. I've talked to people here, other boards and in person. The most vocal group is always the loudest and thats always the ones who are upset and don't like what happens. Those that enjoy it get tired of having to justify our opinions.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Sept 21, 2018 12:13:47 GMT
That is an assumption as well. People here don't represent ME gamers. My assumption is if you gathered all the people who cared enough it wold stop a sale they could all meet at Frankies Tiki(a fairly small bar) room in vegas for a drink. And while they wouldn't get the game they wanted at least they could get a bitchin drink. Thank you you made my point. I've talked to people here, other boards and in person. The most vocal group is always the loudest and thats always the ones who are upset and don't like what happens. Those that enjoy it get tired of having to justify our opinions. This is why I rarely start answering anything as it seems the anti-crowd is raving and raging their virtual angst...
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Post by Son of Dorn on Sept 21, 2018 12:48:50 GMT
Thank you you made my point. I've talked to people here, other boards and in person. The most vocal group is always the loudest and thats always the ones who are upset and don't like what happens. Those that enjoy it get tired of having to justify our opinions. This is why I rarely start answering anything as it seems the anti-crowd is raving and raging their virtual angst... Funny, because I have seen the pro-crowd doing the same thing as the anti-crowd. Both groups are as bad as each other.
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 21, 2018 16:15:42 GMT
My recollection is that they only needed living to be indoctrinated slaves, but corpses could be harvested as building components. There was just a lot of talk about the destruction on Earth during the game from the conversations and reports that Shepard would hear. Otherwise the times you encounter the Reapers I don't think they would have their troops doing so much destruction at first sight. The Codex is quite clear about Reaper methods on Earth. Most of the planet simply isn't being devastated. The two places we actually see in-game are, and a handful of cities have been completely glassed, but they aren't typical. Edit: it would have been interesting to spend some time in one of the more peaceful areas, fighting with the Indoctrinated collaborationist human government while the population at large sits around like cows waiting for the bolt gun. But ME3 was too Earth-focused as it was.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Sept 21, 2018 17:36:47 GMT
This is why I rarely start answering anything as it seems the anti-crowd is raving and raging their virtual angst... Funny, because I have seen the pro-crowd doing the same thing as the anti-crowd. Both groups are as bad as each other. Yeah... kinda? But I still have the feeling theres more of the complaint type out there. There will never be a consensus anyway over these topics, too much emotions involved also, because of the games themselves.
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Post by NotN7 on Sept 21, 2018 22:12:05 GMT
Funny, because I have seen the pro-crowd doing the same thing as the anti-crowd. Both groups are as bad as each other. Yeah... kinda? But I still have the feeling theres more of the complaint type out there. There will never be a consensus anyway over these topics, too much emotions involved also, because of the games themselves. I agree but to me its not whether your Anti or pro its how you come across on these boards some come across as if their opinion is everyone else's, I enjoyed the games will I argue about it nope.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2018 9:11:56 GMT
To be honest I was thrilled when they announced we were going in Andromeda. I felt it was a nice opportunity to feel the colonization effort and the difficulties of the new galaxy being forced to make tough choices for the sake of our existence.
The overall theme we got was instead quite sugar-coated, too optimistic and light-hearted. The angaran were far too open and welcoming and the Kett were not very original as an enemy.
Part of my desire to return to MW is because of how disappointed I was with the writing in MEA. I'm gonna say this, if they want to continue in Andromeda they better step up their writing, adding complexities, more darker and grittier atmospheres and IF they keep the same crew make them grow up and mature. I do not want another teen-ageresque, sugar-coated and light-hearted ME.
Also for the love of ME, hire someone in the writing team who has experience with hard sci-fi and who is willing to contribute with a coherent and deep lore for the game.
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Post by Sanunes on Sept 25, 2018 11:55:06 GMT
To be honest I was thrilled when they announced we were going in Andromeda. I felt it was a nice opportunity to feel the colonization effort and the difficulties of the new galaxy being forced to make tough choices for the sake of our existence. The overall theme we got was instead quite sugar-coated, too optimistic and light-hearted. The angaran were far too open and welcoming and the Kett were not very original as an enemy. Part of my desire to return to MW is because of how disappointed I was with the writing in MEA. I'm gonna say this, if they want to continue in Andromeda they better step up their writing, adding complexities, more darker and grittier atmospheres and IF they keep the same crew make them grow up and mature. I do not want another teen-ageresque, sugar-coated and light-hearted ME. Also for the love of ME, hire someone in the writing team who has experience with hard sci-fi and who is willing to contribute with a coherent and deep lore for the game. Maybe you can explain something to me. Why is it bad that they made those issues in Andromeda, but you make it sound like it would have been okay if they did the same thing in The Milky Way. There is no guarantee that the game won't be exactly the same in Milky Way as in Andromeda.
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Post by Iakus on Sept 25, 2018 21:48:02 GMT
To be honest I was thrilled when they announced we were going in Andromeda. I felt it was a nice opportunity to feel the colonization effort and the difficulties of the new galaxy being forced to make tough choices for the sake of our existence. The overall theme we got was instead quite sugar-coated, too optimistic and light-hearted. The angaran were far too open and welcoming and the Kett were not very original as an enemy.
Part of my desire to return to MW is because of how disappointed I was with the writing in MEA. I'm gonna say this, if they want to continue in Andromeda they better step up their writing, adding complexities, more darker and grittier atmospheres and IF they keep the same crew make them grow up and mature. I do not want another teen-ageresque, sugar-coated and light-hearted ME. Also for the love of ME, hire someone in the writing team who has experience with hard sci-fi and who is willing to contribute with a coherent and deep lore for the game. Plus the method of getting there was poorly thought out and uncreative.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2018 7:33:47 GMT
To be honest I was thrilled when they announced we were going in Andromeda. I felt it was a nice opportunity to feel the colonization effort and the difficulties of the new galaxy being forced to make tough choices for the sake of our existence. The overall theme we got was instead quite sugar-coated, too optimistic and light-hearted. The angaran were far too open and welcoming and the Kett were not very original as an enemy. Part of my desire to return to MW is because of how disappointed I was with the writing in MEA. I'm gonna say this, if they want to continue in Andromeda they better step up their writing, adding complexities, more darker and grittier atmospheres and IF they keep the same crew make them grow up and mature. I do not want another teen-ageresque, sugar-coated and light-hearted ME. Also for the love of ME, hire someone in the writing team who has experience with hard sci-fi and who is willing to contribute with a coherent and deep lore for the game. Maybe you can explain something to me. Why is it bad that they made those issues in Andromeda, but you make it sound like it would have been okay if they did the same thing in The Milky Way. There is no guarantee that the game won't be exactly the same in Milky Way as in Andromeda. That Sir is your own interpretation. No I advocate for a post-reaper war galaxy that declined into a more primitive age, a galaxy ravaged by piracy, rampant criminality and a dark age feeling after the glories of the hyperconnected galaxy of old. If they were to do the same in Andromeda I would praise them, similarly if they were to do a sugar-coated MW story I would still criticize them. Admittedly though we did not have sugar-coated stories in the MW for most of our time it was a rather brutal place.
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 27, 2018 16:17:41 GMT
Maybe you can explain something to me. Why is it bad that they made those issues in Andromeda, but you make it sound like it would have been okay if they did the same thing in The Milky Way. There is no guarantee that the game won't be exactly the same in Milky Way as in Andromeda. That Sir is your own interpretation. No I advocate for a post-reaper war galaxy that declined into a more primitive age, a galaxy ravaged by piracy, rampant criminality and a dark age feeling after the glories of the hyperconnected galaxy of old. If they were to do the same in Andromeda I would praise them, similarly if they were to do a sugar-coated MW story I would still criticize them. Admittedly though we did not have sugar-coated stories in the MW for most of our time it was a rather brutal place.
You don't seem to actually be disagreeing with Sanunes here. You're making the MW/Andromeda issue sound like it's pretty much irrelevant.
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Post by KaiserShep on Sept 27, 2018 19:09:57 GMT
To be honest I was thrilled when they announced we were going in Andromeda. I felt it was a nice opportunity to feel the colonization effort and the difficulties of the new galaxy being forced to make tough choices for the sake of our existence. The overall theme we got was instead quite sugar-coated, too optimistic and light-hearted. The angaran were far too open and welcoming and the Kett were not very original as an enemy.
Part of my desire to return to MW is because of how disappointed I was with the writing in MEA. I'm gonna say this, if they want to continue in Andromeda they better step up their writing, adding complexities, more darker and grittier atmospheres and IF they keep the same crew make them grow up and mature. I do not want another teen-ageresque, sugar-coated and light-hearted ME. Also for the love of ME, hire someone in the writing team who has experience with hard sci-fi and who is willing to contribute with a coherent and deep lore for the game. Plus the method of getting there was poorly thought out and uncreative. Not many ways to get there while keeping in line with at least some of the technologies of the setting. It's either super relay, or something that overcomes the current limitations of the MEU's FTL tech. The former presents more narrative problems than the latter, though.
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Post by Iakus on Sept 27, 2018 19:18:42 GMT
Plus the method of getting there was poorly thought out and uncreative. Not many ways to get there while keeping in line with at least some of the technologies of the setting. It's either super relay, or something that overcomes the current limitations of the MEU's FTL tech. The former presents more narrative problems than the latter, though. Meh, some Prothean (or older than the Prothean) artifact that breaks or is blown up as soon as it's used. One-way trip for the people using it, no way for anyone else to follow.
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 28, 2018 16:28:24 GMT
Not many ways to get there while keeping in line with at least some of the technologies of the setting. It's either super relay, or something that overcomes the current limitations of the MEU's FTL tech. The former presents more narrative problems than the latter, though. Meh, some Prothean (or older than the Prothean) artifact that breaks or is blown up as soon as it's used. One-way trip for the people using it, no way for anyone else to follow. Or no tech at all, just an unstable wormhole.
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