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Post by Queen Skadi on Jun 27, 2018 2:08:15 GMT
Maybe not what they said in exact words but the meaning remains the same. Curious how you would interpret their comment if not that they could not compete with a game that doesn't even release on the same systems? It's a stupid comment, but they're not even talking about their other games, here. I asked you to tell me what you think they are talking about, not what they aren't talking about, how do you interpret the comment if not "we can't compete with semi-good games that don't even release on the same system as ours"?
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Post by Phantom on Jun 27, 2018 2:16:52 GMT
people by nature hate to fail and sometimes will blame others for their failures.
No one is perfect not even me. As much as I am a Mass Effect fanboys, I do think that I would need a check if I had the rights to Mass Effects because some of my ideas are good but some of them are idiotic.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jun 27, 2018 2:20:47 GMT
It's a stupid comment, but they're not even talking about their other games, here. I asked you to tell me what you think they are talking about, not what they aren't talking about, how do you interpret the comment if not "we can't compete with semi-good games that don't even release on the same system as ours"? They're making excuses, that's what they're doing. I don't know were you got your idea from for their other games as to why they succeeded.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jun 27, 2018 2:21:53 GMT
I mean, Zelda is only on Switch anyway, and Mass Effect is not, so...?
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Post by Queen Skadi on Jun 27, 2018 2:31:54 GMT
I asked you to tell me what you think they are talking about, not what they aren't talking about, how do you interpret the comment if not "we can't compete with semi-good games that don't even release on the same system as ours"? They're making excuses, that's what they're doing. I don't know were you got your idea from for their other games as to why they succeeded. Making excuses for what? Their game not being as good as the other games released that month? Look back at Inquisition, was it really that much better than Andromeda? Was Andromeda really that much worse? Did Inquisition get a positive reception because it was such a brilliant game or did it only get such a reception because the bar at the time was not quite as high as it was when Andromeda released?
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Post by House Targaryen on Jun 27, 2018 3:54:40 GMT
Anthem? Never heard of her.
Andromeda was enjoyable. A lot of these games would be better if they used a mod friendly game engine. Why do you think the Baldur Gate and Fallout games have lived so long compared to the throw away games of now? Mods.
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Post by OneWomanArmy on Jun 27, 2018 5:04:11 GMT
Anything after ME3 and DA2 was bad. (DAI was half okay).
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Post by clips7 on Jun 27, 2018 6:24:17 GMT
Mediorce game with mediorce characters and a boring storyline. This guy is clearly just making excuses....the game already had issues with it's core elements that the franchise was known for...mainly story and character development which was lacking on both fronts....they cleaned up the animation issues, but you can't fix un-inspiring characters and lackluster writing.
Whoever approved this Krogan fight scene needs their a$$ whooped...this is how the badass brutes of the galaxy get down when they brawl?....lol.....a complete joke!
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Post by Queen Skadi on Jun 27, 2018 6:36:33 GMT
Mediorce game with mediorce characters and a boring storyline. This guy is clearly just making excuses....the game already had issues with it's core elements that the franchise was known for...mainly story and character development which was lacking on both fronts....they cleaned up the animation issues, but you can't fix un-inspiring characters and lackluster writing. Whoever approved this Krogan fight scene needs their a$$ whooped...this is how the badass brutes of the galaxy get down when they brawl?....lol.....a complete joke! I dunno, I think they were trying to be inclusive by including a sassy gay Krogan and that is how I imagine a sassy gay krogan would fight so I think they nailed that scene!
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 27, 2018 6:52:30 GMT
The title is rather misleading, because that is not what they were saying. That's you putting words into their mouth that they didn't actually say. Yes, the title is sheer misrepresentation. But with a title change, I'll move this to the 'BioWare News' section.
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Post by Queen Skadi on Jun 27, 2018 7:03:25 GMT
The title is rather misleading, because that is not what they were saying. That's you putting words into their mouth that they didn't actually say. Yes, the title is sheer misrepresentation. But with a title change, I'll move this to the 'BioWare News' section. The new title is more misleading though as it wasn't a crowded RPG release schedule that month, Andromeda was the only RPG to be released that month.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 27, 2018 7:11:16 GMT
As for the topic itself, I think we should look at the actual quote from Mark Darrah:
Sorry Mark, that's a load of marketing hooey.
Maybe as a senior producer he can't say the game wasn't up to prior standards, but it wasn't up to prior standards (though I still enjoyed it).
Yes, Andromeda didn't get a fair shake, but the trigger for the backlash stemmed from the bugs and animation issues with the game itself. It didn't help that Andromeda's rough launch was thrown into stark relief by Horizon Zero Dawn and Zelda's polished releases.
Had Andromeda been polished at launch, I think it would have done just fine.
Do BioWare have a record of making great games? hell yes.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 27, 2018 7:14:24 GMT
The new title is more misleading though as it wasn't a crowded RPG release schedule that month, Andromeda was the only RPG to be released that month. That's what Mark said. He blamed Andromeda's poor showing on a crowded RPG release window and basically Zelda.
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Post by river82 on Jun 27, 2018 7:41:49 GMT
[/font][/ul][/quote]Too much salt for that tiny shaker. This one's more appropriate
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Post by river82 on Jun 27, 2018 7:44:20 GMT
Stupid comment from Mark. It's a good thing we have many quality gaming journalists around who don't let companies get away with these bullshit statements ...
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Post by dmc1001 on Jun 27, 2018 8:21:27 GMT
It also makes you wonder, were Bioware's previous games really that great or was it mostly due to a drought of RPGs that they succeeded? It doesn't make me wonder at all. The MET is possibly one of the greatest gaming experiences I've ever had in my life and I've been playing video games since the late 70s/early 80s. Good try, though.
Oh, and I enjoyed some of the older BioWare games, with Neverwinter Nights and then KOTOR among my long time favorites.
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Post by nanotm on Jun 27, 2018 8:39:48 GMT
the problem with MEA wasn't the game play but the characters and the utterly meh voice acting most of the storyline wasn't bad per se, the game mechanics were actually pretty good (bugs aside) but hte charcters were garbage, there was too much focus on everyday SJWism's and they made decisions that were completely illogical given the supposed mission.... all of which combined together to make it difficult to enjoy in the same way that me1>3 were enjoyable to play....
bioware's former glory days of producing RPG's are gone if they try to play the politically correct nonsense, nobody wants to be bombarded with that sort of horse shit, and it wasn't present in the other games
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Post by colfoley on Jun 27, 2018 8:43:52 GMT
Meh while I do not entirely agree with his argument, after all it could be seen just as much as an indictment that Andromeda 'failed to compete' with the other games in the first place...Andromeda should have been able to beat them, his basic logic is sound. As someone who only buys video games when I am good and able to buy video games I have to be very choosy about which ones I do and don't buy. Hell I'm not actualy sure I have even bought a brand new Video game this year yet at all. And I think far more people are in that boat then aren't in that boat only able to buy games here and there, so if the release schegule is crowded, people may only get to buy one of those games.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jun 27, 2018 8:43:54 GMT
bioware's former glory days of producing RPG's are gone if they try to play the politically correct nonsense, nobody wants to be bombarded with that sort of horse shit, and it wasn't present in the other games Some of us do want it because we want to see our lives represented in the games. Why should only you get that? Besides, other than that one trans person, everything else wasn't even talked about in the game as if there were something in need of discussion. Just because you don't like anything outside of your own reality it doesn't make it wrong, or even SJW. It's just reflecting the world as we know it.
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Post by nanotm on Jun 27, 2018 10:15:02 GMT
bioware's former glory days of producing RPG's are gone if they try to play the politically correct nonsense, nobody wants to be bombarded with that sort of horse shit, and it wasn't present in the other games Some of us do want it because we want to see our lives represented in the games. Why should only you get that? Besides, other than that one trans person, everything else wasn't even talked about in the game as if there were something in need of discussion. Just because you don't like anything outside of your own reality it doesn't make it wrong, or even SJW. It's just reflecting the world as we know it. yes something done because the story writers lack creativity, games are escapism there supposed to transport you to a different reality, the whole point of which is to experience something different to normal life, children might like that sort of idiocy but then children shouldn't be playing games they should be studding ready to become adults, normal people dont want some one sided current year agenda driven narrative, they want a timeless classic thats still going to be just as playable in 5 years time, if you as a creator fail to capture that requirement your games going to flop no matter how many millions call it progressive or on point.... the fact mea failed on both counts becasue it was trying to please a bunch of idiots that dont even RPG whilst still retaining some of the core elements from less sjw centric teams just made it a stinking pile of crap for a start your either a gung ho take no prisoners until the mission is done type or your an unprofessional whiney brat who needs leadership advice, you cant be both and yet bioware broke this simple rule of life, and put some child who needs their team to explain which way is up whilst there apparently making all the hard choices and those "rousing speeches" sounded like I was in the local primary school listening to why the shy quiet kid should be elected class president... uhh just no, anyway lets hope they go back to getting the basics right and who knows maybe if there not fucking around with "current trend political correctness and rampant liberalism" maybe they can focus on less bugs in the released game and better facial animations that dont look like a group of pre-schoolers created them from playdoh
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Post by DoctorFox on Jun 27, 2018 12:27:12 GMT
ME Andromeda didn’t fail because of Zelda botw at all. It failed because of the buggy launch and abysmal dialogues between characters. The story had potential but had poor execution. Things got better once patches came out and animations were fixed. But what was absolutely unforgivable was the decision to terminate all future DLC and support after only 5 months after the game was released.
The game was on the road to recovery but EA decided to walk over to it and murder it in its crib. I think with Quarian and Benefactor DLC, the game could redeemed itself and we’d be readying for a sequel next year. Alas this will not happen now. Fuck EA and fuck shoddy management decisions.
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Post by Sanunes on Jun 27, 2018 13:03:02 GMT
ME Andromeda didn’t fail because of Zelda botw at all. It failed because of the buggy launch and abysmal dialogues between characters. The story had potential but had poor execution. Things got better once patches came out and animations were fixed. But what was absolutely unforgivable was the decision to terminate all future DLC and support after only 5 months after the game was released. The game was on the road to recovery but EA decided to walk over to it and murder it in its crib. I think with Quarian and Benefactor DLC, the game could redeemed itself and we’d be readying for a sequel next year. Alas this will not happen now. Fuck EA and fuck shoddy management decisions. The story and dialogue is subjective for my experience it wasn't any better or worse then the prior games, especially the first Mass Effect game. I tried going back and playing a male Shepard and I muted the game because I just couldn't take it. You are right they shouldn't act like a business and if DLC wasn't going to be a good business decision they should have made it anyway and possibly put the franchise in an even worse light for the management.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jun 27, 2018 13:16:31 GMT
I'm confused. Was ME:A relying heavily on the Switch userbase?
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