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Post by simit on Jun 27, 2018 22:07:48 GMT
TBH even if DA:I came out alongside the games you mentioned i'd a still bought DA:I first an still played it more due to it having a hell of alot more replay value, for me. Although to be fair i'd a still picked the others up in a sale
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 27, 2018 22:12:05 GMT
Horizon Zero Dawn was awesome, I loved it, but:
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Post by simit on Jun 27, 2018 22:41:36 GMT
I loved the gameplay i'll give it that, an tbh i got them all HZD, W3, GOW, i just get more replay out DA:I though i will say GOW is, for me, the best of the lot for combat, story, visuals, just loses out on replay value although i will replay at some point just no to extent of any DA game
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Post by river82 on Jun 27, 2018 22:41:49 GMT
Mark Darrah @biomarkdarrahI’m going to regret this in half an hour but let’s talk “did MEA get a fair shake” First off, the question was not “is MEA secretly a great game and did mean Nintendo make us fail?” MEA is a deeply flawed game. Especially at launch. But the review environment was crowded. Nier, Nioh, Horizon, and Zelda all launched in MEAs window. Each does something better than MEA (again, a flawed game) As a result, even systems that are pretty decent get scrutinized against superiorly implemented ones. Does launching in a different window turn 72% into 90? Certainly not. 72 into 77/78? Maybe. Does that affect sales? Some. But word of mouth matters so much these days. And here’s the thing. That’s the nature of the industry. You don’t have full control over when you launch and no control over when others do. DAI benefited by how tough a year 2014 turned out to be for games You launch the best game you can. MEA has a lot of problems and got lapped by genuinely better games. I'm with Laughing Man when he says it's good to see people at AAA companies drop the corporate bullshit. The problem with ME:A was that it was the worst release of the bunch. Does that mean it didn't get a fair shake because of the other games? Sure, but only because it was the worst release of the bunch. If it had a solid release the reception wouldn't have been as harsh. You can choose to blame that on the crowded release window, or put your hand up and say "we fucked up a little". Good to see him actually acknowledge that they fucked up a bit and not continue to dish out excuses. I'm tired of hearing excuses.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 27, 2018 23:15:17 GMT
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Post by Cyberstrike on Jun 28, 2018 1:00:49 GMT
No, we are not doing this. We are not going to throw around the notion of ' Gender Dysphoria' as a 'mental illness'. Medical condition, sure, but there was enough unpleasantness (which falls under our rules about 'slurs') to melt the page. That's not going to happen again, please. If you want to debate the topic, take it to another forum. Also, if someone does stray into this territory, the correct response would be to report it for attention, not to start throwing flames and insults back turning the thread into a dumpster fire (irrespective of any good intentions under the shouting). Trust both things are clear. Reoccurance will result in a more one-to-one conversation. Thanks. I didnt flame anyone and I thought my post was quite specific as to the problem of entertainment companies attempting to appease a niche non homogenous group because they all want something different / incompatible with each other.... I couldn't care what choices individuals make about themselves, I've long had the opinion that "you do you & I'll do me" is the perfect way to get along. so whilst someone might have chosen to interpret meaning from my post and thus take offence thats on them
No, you were using homophobic language and while you trying to pass it off as ignorance and/or faux intellectualism and when others, including myself, were explaining to you and Queen Skadi (whose posts about this subject were NOT deleted by the way and then you wonder why some of us don't trust the mods here) why that wasn't OK, then we get hit with this "don't explain why this stuff is offensive because it makes people uncomfortable" crap. Also since the staff here never bothers to hide and/or delete posts that offend me when I reported them and/or when I'm being personally insulted by others members they just leave the posts where people have accuse me being a snowflake, politically correct, SJW, seeking a safe space, or whatever the insult of the day is.
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Post by Queen Skadi on Jun 28, 2018 1:21:40 GMT
Mark Darrah @biomarkdarrahI’m going to regret this in half an hour but let’s talk “did MEA get a fair shake” First off, the question was not “is MEA secretly a great game and did mean Nintendo make us fail?” MEA is a deeply flawed game. Especially at launch. But the review environment was crowded. Nier, Nioh, Horizon, and Zelda all launched in MEAs window. Each does something better than MEA (again, a flawed game) As a result, even systems that are pretty decent get scrutinized against superiorly implemented ones. Does launching in a different window turn 72% into 90? Certainly not. 72 into 77/78? Maybe. Does that affect sales? Some. But word of mouth matters so much these days. And here’s the thing. That’s the nature of the industry. You don’t have full control over when you launch and no control over when others do. DAI benefited by how tough a year 2014 turned out to be for games You launch the best game you can. MEA has a lot of problems and got lapped by genuinely better games. Wow is Mark watching this thread and spying on us? Seems like a confirmation of what I have been saying even DAI benefiting from a slow year for games.
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Post by Queen Skadi on Jun 28, 2018 1:24:34 GMT
were explaining to you and Queen Skadi (whose posts about this subject were NOT deleted by the way and then you wonder why some of us don't trust the mods here) why that wasn't OK That is cuz I am a saint and there was nothing homophobic about my posts whatsoever, just because you do not like what I say does not make it any less true, the truth cares not for your feelings.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 28, 2018 1:51:36 GMT
No, you were using homophobic language and while you trying to pass it off as ignorance and/or faux intellectualism and when others, including myself, were explaining to you and Queen Skadi (whose posts about this subject were NOT deleted by the way and then you wonder why some of us don't trust the mods here) why that wasn't OK, then we get hit with this "don't explain why this stuff is offensive because it makes people uncomfortable" crap. Also since the staff here never bothers to hide and/or delete posts that offend me when I reported them and/or when I'm being personally insulted by others members they just leave the posts where people have accuse me being a snowflake, politically correct, SJW, seeking a safe space, or whatever the insult of the day is. A request to not continue to flame the topic. means, don't continue to flame the topic. Time for a little holiday. On with the thread, please.
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Post by phoray on Jun 28, 2018 2:52:24 GMT
*clicks in*
Jesus Christ, I have just now become aware that the "big fucking deal" idiots are making out of this isn't only happening among the mouth breathers over on Twitter? do I even want to know how many threads and spin off threads have bred from the bath tub scum of this inane flippant comment?
Shame, forum people. Shame.
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Post by bshep on Jun 28, 2018 3:06:22 GMT
*clicks in* Jesus Christ, I have just now become aware that the "big fucking deal" idiots are making out of this isn't only happening among the mouth breathers over on Twitter? do I even want to know how many threads and spin off threads have bred from the bath tub scum of this inane flippant comment? Shame, forum people. Shame. *flounces out* From what i saw on Mark's account most people are being very polite and level headed when talking to him about it, it just the usual click bait youtubers and the same old people here.
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Post by phoray on Jun 28, 2018 3:09:27 GMT
Why does it even matter that it wasn't an epic game? There are other game makers dipping in where Bioware has been hogging the pool for years now. Romances and multiple dialogue choices are the cool kids now. We don't have to desperately gnash our teeth about a game that's more than a year old already.
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Post by malgus on Jun 28, 2018 3:18:37 GMT
MEA had its problems at release and should have been delayed (and it was the major factor in the bad reception) BUT the crowded months of march 2017 played into it with tons of critical darling game MEA was thrown in between.
But people are reacting only on the little answer he had to give in a very short amount of time in the "123 questions", heck even with a short answer, the guy STILL asked him to shorten it up.
Mark darrah was unable to elaborate on his sayings at that moment, so people are quick to judge to judge it without thinking of the context. Actually that question should have never been asked for that kind of format, because that's just not something you can answer quickly without people getting upset because many media will not think about that and just want their click.
Because Mark has no problem to admit that indeed MEA suffered from other problems that were not the release window, and he can do that because on twitter he is allowed to elaborate on his point something he just cannot do in that 123 quick question.
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Post by bshep on Jun 28, 2018 3:28:45 GMT
Talking shit about MEA is the new trend, just like it was doing the same about DAI a few years ago. And ME3 before that, and ME2, and DA2.
A lot of people love to stop and see a "good car crash". So youtubers apply this to make up those kind of videos to get more clicks.
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Post by river82 on Jun 28, 2018 3:37:33 GMT
Talking shit about MEA is the new trend, just like it was doing the same about DAI a few years ago. And ME3 before that, and ME2, and DA2. A lot of people love to stop and see a "good car crash". So youtubers apply this to make up those kind of videos to get more clicks. Should be noted that Bioware doesn't need any help concocting silly excuses. They have a whole department of writers who can imagine up inane rationalisations and conspiracy theories all on their own.
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Post by dazk on Jun 28, 2018 3:51:14 GMT
Sorry if it has been stated before but MEA didn't fail, it was financially successful as stated by EA who are an organisation that was made to earn money and they wouldn't say that if they didn't earn enough from it. Whether SOME PEOPLE didn't like it well that's another story. Man these discussions are getting old!!!!!
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Post by smilesja on Jun 28, 2018 6:07:55 GMT
Stupid comment from Mark. It's a good thing we have many quality gaming journalists around who don't let companies get away with these bullshit statements ... ...
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Post by smilesja on Jun 28, 2018 6:11:55 GMT
Mark Darrah @biomarkdarrahI’m going to regret this in half an hour but let’s talk “did MEA get a fair shake” First off, the question was not “is MEA secretly a great game and did mean Nintendo make us fail?” MEA is a deeply flawed game. Especially at launch. But the review environment was crowded. Nier, Nioh, Horizon, and Zelda all launched in MEAs window. Each does something better than MEA (again, a flawed game) As a result, even systems that are pretty decent get scrutinized against superiorly implemented ones. Does launching in a different window turn 72% into 90? Certainly not. 72 into 77/78? Maybe. Does that affect sales? Some. But word of mouth matters so much these days. And here’s the thing. That’s the nature of the industry. You don’t have full control over when you launch and no control over when others do. DAI benefited by how tough a year 2014 turned out to be for games You launch the best game you can. MEA has a lot of problems and got lapped by genuinely better games. Seriously DAI is bad to him?! Ridiculous it was good game by merit?! I have a feeling that fans of ME: A and DAI are gonna get left in the dust to appease clickbait youtubers.
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Post by smilesja on Jun 28, 2018 6:13:46 GMT
If ME:A is the worst game Bioware made then it makes me optimistic to future games by Bioware.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jun 28, 2018 6:22:51 GMT
games are escapism there supposed to transport you to a different reality, the whole point of which is to experience something different to normal life, How can I escape when I'm not represented? As I said, your reality shouldn't be the only one to exist.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jun 28, 2018 6:25:50 GMT
Alright fellow gays, time to pack up and leave. Turns out escapism is only for heteros. where did I say that ? nothing wrong with being able to have bi, homo or hetro options within an rpg (something your able to explore in the prior bioware rpg's, which since its a fact of life isnt a problem) [See note below] if you want niche game appeal make a niche game dont piss off your core market by inflicting everyday life hokum on them Right, but you want LGBT people in some other RPG - one you don't play. I love ME. Why should I be ignored because you get your panties in a bunch over seeing some homos in your game? I'm sure FemShep and Liara didn't bother you one bit.
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Post by river82 on Jun 28, 2018 6:37:27 GMT
If ME:A is the worst game Bioware made then it makes me optimistic to future games by Bioware. *Looks at Anthem* ...
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Post by smilesja on Jun 28, 2018 6:39:07 GMT
If ME:A is the worst game Bioware made then it makes me optimistic to future games by Bioware. *Looks at Anthem* ... Can't say I've seen enough but it looks good so far.
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Post by river82 on Jun 28, 2018 6:40:37 GMT
Can't say I've seen enough but it looks good so far. It looks like a co-op shooter. And considering Andromeda's only strong point was the combat then I guess your optimism was well placed...?
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Post by smilesja on Jun 28, 2018 6:40:38 GMT
where did I say that ? nothing wrong with being able to have bi, homo or hetro options within an rpg (something your able to explore in the prior bioware rpg's, which since its a fact of life isnt a problem) [See note below] if you want niche game appeal make a niche game dont piss off your core market by inflicting everyday life hokum on them Right, but you want LGBT people in some other RPG - one you don't play. I love ME. Why should I be ignored because you get your panties in a bunch over seeing some homos in your game? I'm sure FemShep and Liara didn't bother you one bit. Especially when there are other options for Femshep.
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