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Post by SofaJockey on Jul 1, 2018 12:11:54 GMT
Well at least it seems their strategy is working on some level, but if the Battlefront 2 loot box controversy couldn't tank sales by a large margin (I know it sold less than expected however 9 million copies is still a shitload) then I doubt this will either, still can't blame me for being hopeful? Hopeful? I think most people play games they like without getting too concerned about the meta messaging...
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Post by river82 on Jul 1, 2018 13:17:12 GMT
Personally I can only hope people actually take Patrick Soderlund's advice and not buy the game, would love to see this strategy backfire on them spectacularly. First Battlefield game I've pre-ordered. The 4 person co-op sounds fun... We'll know in a few weeks whether EA's "accept it, or get lost." strategy has been successful. It'll most likely be successful. Indications seem to be that it's a really solid game so the minor controversy over realism will likely have minimal affect.
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Post by Queen Skadi on Jul 1, 2018 14:30:21 GMT
Well at least it seems their strategy is working on some level, but if the Battlefront 2 loot box controversy couldn't tank sales by a large margin (I know it sold less than expected however 9 million copies is still a shitload) then I doubt this will either, still can't blame me for being hopeful? Hopeful? I think most people play games they like without getting too concerned about the meta messaging... I could care less about the meta messaging, it is mostly because it is an EA game and I have come to expect that they will take the piss in some regard when it comes to microtransactions and shady business practices and the only way to turn that around is for gamers to start voting with their wallets and making it clear that they have no desire to see this shit in the games they play, it is pretty clear that this whole thing was specifically designed to create controversy, to get people talking about DICE in a way that makes them look like the heroes while deflecting attention from other shadier aspects of their games, it is pretty clear that most of the design decisions made in the new Battlefield game were not made out of creative vision of the developers wanting what is best for the game but rather from the cold calculating schemes of the marketing and PR departments, and just once I would like to see the gaming community not fall for this crap. Besides I kind of see Soderlund's "don't buy it" statement as a dare, as if he knows the gaming community's outrage is all bluster and that they will buy anything they put out like the sheep EA thinks they are, I would just like to see it backfire and see the gaming community just say "ok" and watch as EA scramble to make justifications for the poor sales figures, I know it isn't going to happen still it would be nice if it did.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 1, 2018 21:49:22 GMT
I don't understand how Darrah saying DA:I launched in a comparatively barren gaming year means Darrah thinks DA:I is bad. It doesn't. However, if Darrah wants to make the argument that Andromeda was affected by a relatively tough release window, he cannot turn a blind eye to the comparatively easy ride Inquisition got because of its release window. Doing so would make his argument inconsistent. Similarly, acknowledging that Andromeda has flaws is not giving into the edgelords of the internet. Everyone knows Andromeda is a heavily flawed game, and there is nothing wrong with acknowledging it. It makes him more genuine and less of a corporate mouthpiece. Everyone? Or just a group of people?
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Post by smilesja on Jul 1, 2018 21:49:50 GMT
It’s still funny how people are up in arms over a woman in a WW2 game.
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Post by Gileadan on Jul 2, 2018 4:45:01 GMT
What's new or special about the attitude "if you don't like it, don't buy it"? That is how the free market works. Or did anyone complain that we were going to be forced to preorder BFV?
I personally stopped following BFV, at least for now, after the disastrous reveal show, where the devs went on and on and on about how the player would be immersed in WW2 like never before, and then showed a trailer that, were it not for the plane and vehicles and the emblems on it, could have been mistaken for a game about gang warfare in the countryside, Diversity Brigade vs Evil White Men.
But hey, it's their product, they can make whatever they want of course. We then decide whether we want it too. If we don't like it, we won't buy it. Like it has always been.
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Post by Iakus on Jul 2, 2018 18:15:54 GMT
It's still funny how people can't deal with an opinion they disagree with without misrepresenting it. Personally what I thought was particularly strange was the fact that she was disabled and had a prosthesis that looked robotic to me, but yes, some people expect a degree of historical accuracy when it comes to what looks like a historical game. Remember the WW1 game that had the player use (what was essentially) an Ironman suit at one point? Guess what, people complained about that too back then. Lucky that there wasn't wahmen involved in that section, otherwise the cries of me-soggy-knee would have been loud indeed. The point is, when you pick the least charitable interpretation of an argument you disagree with (even if you are actually right in a handful of cases), you are merely being intellectually dishonest and choosing the easy road of attacking the person rather than the argument. I've never played a Battlefield game, so I guess whether there is (or should be) a problem should stem from how realistic has Battlefield been in their history? I mean, if they try to keep a least a modicum of historical accuracy in the game, then women in, say, the French Resistance sure you might get away with that (it was rare, but they existed). Women storming Omaha Beach...yeah no. Robotic prosthetic arms...yeah I got nothin'
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Post by smilesja on Jul 2, 2018 22:05:59 GMT
Everyone? Or just a group of people? You liked ME:A, that's fine. But this guy is FROM Bioware, and he's admitting - and I quote, that: "MEA is a deeply flawed game. Especially at launch." So in regards to your question, yes, I'd guess that more people thought that it was a flawed game (to whatever degree) than shared your opinion on it. It’s still funny how people are up in arms over a woman in a WW2 game. It's still funny how people can't deal with an opinion they disagree with without misrepresenting it. Personally what I thought was particularly strange was the fact that she was disabled and had a prosthesis that looked robotic to me, but yes, some people expect a degree of historical accuracy when it comes to what looks like a historical game. Remember the WW1 game that had the player use (what was essentially) an Ironman suit at one point? Guess what, people complained about that too back then. Lucky that there wasn't wahmen involved in that section, otherwise the cries of me-soggy-knee would have been loud indeed. The point is, when you pick the least charitable interpretation of an argument you disagree with (even if you are actually right in a handful of cases), you are merely being intellectually dishonest and choosing the easy road of attacking the person rather than the argument. I’m criticizing a group of people who are saying that Battlefield is giving in to the social justice brigade because they showed a woman never mind that we don’t know the context and the story behind what DICE is going to do. Besides Mark hasn’t worked on Dragon Age and of he was positive towards ME: A, people would dismiss as corporate speak.
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Post by river82 on Jul 3, 2018 0:36:00 GMT
Besides Mark hasn’t worked on Dragon Age and of he was positive towards ME: A, people would dismiss as corporate speak. Mark doesn't need to have worked on Dragon Age to say "it benefited from a tough gaming year". That's just obvious stuff.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 3, 2018 1:11:31 GMT
Besides Mark hasn’t worked on Dragon Age and of he was positive towards ME: A, people would dismiss as corporate speak. Mark doesn't need to have worked on Dragon Age to say "it benefited from a tough gaming year". That's just obvious stuff. But it still earned the accolades.
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Post by Queen Skadi on Jul 3, 2018 1:11:51 GMT
I’m criticizing a group of people who are saying that Battlefield is giving in to the social justice brigade because they showed a woman never mind that we don’t know the context and the story behind what DICE is going to do. From what we have seen so far I think it is pretty transparently obvious that is what they are trying to do, doesn't really take a genius to figure that out especially considering the current political climate and trends in the gaming industry.
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Post by Queen Skadi on Jul 3, 2018 1:12:36 GMT
Mark doesn't need to have worked on Dragon Age to say "it benefited from a tough gaming year". That's just obvious stuff. But it still earned the accolades. Did it? What accolades are we talking about?
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Post by smilesja on Jul 3, 2018 1:13:15 GMT
I’m criticizing a group of people who are saying that Battlefield is giving in to the social justice brigade because they showed a woman never mind that we don’t know the context and the story behind what DICE is going to do. From what we have seen so far I think it is pretty transparently obvious that is what they are trying to do, doesn't really take a genius to figure that out especially considering the current political climate and trends in the gaming industry. If that’s true then people need to stop falling for the bait but some can’t help themselves.
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 3, 2018 1:15:42 GMT
I’m criticizing a group of people who are saying that Battlefield is giving in to the social justice brigade because they showed a woman never mind that we don’t know the context and the story behind what DICE is going to do. From what we have seen so far I think it is pretty transparently obvious that is what they are trying to do, doesn't really take a genius to figure that out especially considering the current political climate and trends in the gaming industry. Right nevermind the fact in those countries women did fight.
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Post by Queen Skadi on Jul 3, 2018 1:19:46 GMT
From what we have seen so far I think it is pretty transparently obvious that is what they are trying to do, doesn't really take a genius to figure that out especially considering the current political climate and trends in the gaming industry. Right nevermind the fact in those countries women did fight. Did the army shown in the demo look like it was speaking Russian?
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Post by river82 on Jul 3, 2018 1:23:39 GMT
Mark doesn't need to have worked on Dragon Age to say "it benefited from a tough gaming year". That's just obvious stuff. But it still earned the accolades. And Andromeda never even got nominated. And part of the reason was because of the tough release environment, and part of the reason Inquisition got so many accolades was because it had little competition.
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Post by Queen Skadi on Jul 3, 2018 1:24:13 GMT
From what we have seen so far I think it is pretty transparently obvious that is what they are trying to do, doesn't really take a genius to figure that out especially considering the current political climate and trends in the gaming industry. If that’s true then people need to stop falling for the bait but some can’t help themselves. Yeah I agree which is why I want to see gamers take Soderlund's advice and not buy the game, internet outrage in cases like this only serve to play into the hands of the media and corporate entities like EA who can easily spin the narrative to make themselves look like the good guys, the only thing EA really understands is sales figures so if you really want to make a statement then you need to hit them where it hurts.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 3, 2018 1:32:28 GMT
But it still earned the accolades. And Andromeda never even got nominated. And part of the reason was because of the tough release environment, and part of the reason Inquisition got so many accolades was because it had little competition. It still would’ve gotten the same accolades. It’s a good game.
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Post by Queen Skadi on Jul 3, 2018 1:42:09 GMT
And Andromeda never even got nominated. And part of the reason was because of the tough release environment, and part of the reason Inquisition got so many accolades was because it had little competition. It still would’ve gotten the same accolades. It’s a good game. Again, what accolades are we talking about? It certainly wouldn't have gotten game of the year if the year hadn't been such a poor showing for video games, during that year the only major competition Inquisition had for GOTY was Bayonetta 2 on Switch and the only reason it won against that game is because the judging panel was biased against Bayonetta 2 for being "too sexy".
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Post by river82 on Jul 3, 2018 1:44:19 GMT
And Andromeda never even got nominated. And part of the reason was because of the tough release environment, and part of the reason Inquisition got so many accolades was because it had little competition. It still would’ve gotten the same accolades. It’s a good game. Then Andromeda would never have gotten accolades under any circumstances because it's just that bad. Like I said you can't make the argument Darrah is making without applying the same theory to Inquisition. Either the tough release schedule didn't affect Andromeda at all and it was just that bad (and the easy schedule didn't affect Inquisition), or the release schedule affected Andromeda negatively and Inquisition positively. Take your pick, you can't mix and match *shrugs*
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Post by colfoley on Jul 3, 2018 1:45:32 GMT
I don't understand how Darrah saying DA:I launched in a comparatively barren gaming year means Darrah thinks DA:I is bad. It doesn't. However, if Darrah wants to make the argument that Andromeda was affected by a relatively tough release window, he cannot turn a blind eye to the comparatively easy ride Inquisition got because of its release window. Doing so would make his argument inconsistent. Similarly, acknowledging that Andromeda has flaws is not giving into the edgelords of the internet. Everyone knows Andromeda is a heavily flawed game, and there is nothing wrong with acknowledging it. It makes him more genuine and less of a corporate mouthpiece. Everyone? Or just a group of people? I can't think of a single game that isn't 'deeply flawed'.
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Post by river82 on Jul 3, 2018 1:46:58 GMT
Everyone? Or just a group of people? I can't think of a single game that isn't 'deeply flawed'. Solitaire
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Post by colfoley on Jul 3, 2018 1:49:11 GMT
I can't think of a single game that isn't 'deeply flawed'. Solitaire Ok, but then that game doesn't do a lot well either.
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 3, 2018 1:53:48 GMT
Right nevermind the fact in those countries women did fight. Did the army shown in the demo look like it was speaking Russian? Women took part in WW2 on the British side. Fact.
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Post by river82 on Jul 3, 2018 1:55:03 GMT
Ok, but then that game doesn't do a lot well either. It makes time pass really quickly. Poker makes you lose money really quickly. It's like each card game has its own speciality. Solitaire's a luck based game which is fairly solid all round that doesn't require 2 people to play. Dunno what criticisms you'd have of it, TBH : S
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