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Post by bshep on Jun 28, 2018 7:07:58 GMT
If ME:A is the worst game Bioware made then it makes me optimistic to future games by Bioware. *Looks at Anthem* ... Let me borrow your time machine, i need the lottery numbers...
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Post by nanotm on Jun 28, 2018 7:09:03 GMT
Sorry if it has been stated before but MEA didn't fail, it was financially successful as stated by EA who are an organisation that was made to earn money and they wouldn't say that if they didn't earn enough from it. Whether SOME PEOPLE didn't like it well that's another story. Man these discussions are getting old!!!!! financially successful becasue it acted as a loss leader just as they had assured investors it would in the 16>17 financial period (when the games creation costs were posted), and yet they still managed to make a profit in the 17>18 financial period (when the games sales were posted), you can tell this was the case by just how fast they price crashed the game and then yanked active support from it.... not that its a bad thing, but just like in the movies some titles are utilised as loss leaders so that investors can "loose money" and thus reduce their tax bills...
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Post by smilesja on Jun 28, 2018 7:11:25 GMT
Sorry if it has been stated before but MEA didn't fail, it was financially successful as stated by EA who are an organisation that was made to earn money and they wouldn't say that if they didn't earn enough from it. Whether SOME PEOPLE didn't like it well that's another story. Man these discussions are getting old!!!!! financially successful becasue it acted as a loss leader just as they had assured investors it would in the 16>17 financial period (when the games creation costs were posted), and yet they still managed to make a profit in the 17>18 financial period (when the games sales were posted), you can tell this was the case by just how fast they price crashed the game and then yanked active support from it.... not that its a bad thing, but just like in the movies some titles are utilised as loss leaders so that investors can "loose money" and thus reduce their tax bills... But it was financially successful as EA can’t lie to their investors.
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Post by bshep on Jun 28, 2018 7:16:24 GMT
where did I say that ? nothing wrong with being able to have bi, homo or hetro options within an rpg (something your able to explore in the prior bioware rpg's, which since its a fact of life isnt a problem) [See note below] if you want niche game appeal make a niche game dont piss off your core market by inflicting everyday life hokum on them Right, but you want LGBT people in some other RPG - one you don't play. I love ME. Why should I be ignored because you get your panties in a bunch over seeing some homos in your game? I'm sure FemShep and Liara didn't bother you one bit. This made me remember something i heard a person said during my time on university. He said that gays didn't bother him, he just didn't want them close to him.
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Post by nanotm on Jun 28, 2018 7:23:57 GMT
where did I say that ? nothing wrong with being able to have bi, homo or hetro options within an rpg (something your able to explore in the prior bioware rpg's, which since its a fact of life isnt a problem) [See note below] if you want niche game appeal make a niche game dont piss off your core market by inflicting everyday life hokum on them Right, but you want LGBT people in some other RPG - one you don't play. I love ME. Why should I be ignored because you get your panties in a bunch over seeing some homos in your game? I'm sure FemShep and Liara didn't bother you one bit. you clearly have problems with reading comprehension or perhaps your just trying really hard to find fault with someone so you can claim victimisation... either way you should cease and decist and yes my posts were altered /removed by the mods becasue they decided I utilised "inflammatory language" so whilst it would have been beneficial for you to have seen the entire original post before responding perhaps it wouldn't have been becasue it might have given you a short circuit...
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Post by dazk on Jun 28, 2018 8:14:24 GMT
Sorry if it has been stated before but MEA didn't fail, it was financially successful as stated by EA who are an organisation that was made to earn money and they wouldn't say that if they didn't earn enough from it. Whether SOME PEOPLE didn't like it well that's another story. Man these discussions are getting old!!!!! financially successful becasue it acted as a loss leader just as they had assured investors it would in the 16>17 financial period (when the games creation costs were posted), and yet they still managed to make a profit in the 17>18 financial period (when the games sales were posted), you can tell this was the case by just how fast they price crashed the game and then yanked active support from it.... not that its a bad thing, but just like in the movies some titles are utilised as loss leaders so that investors can "loose money" and thus reduce their tax bills... Um OK but that would be a strange strategy to adopt because it impacts future success. I am no Warren Buffett but why would any company want to put something in the public domain that damages their reputation just to write off some tax. I doubt highly that EA or Bioware would adopt such a strategy it just makes no financial sense unless either company was in a bad financial situation which they aren't.
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Post by Queen Skadi on Jun 28, 2018 9:14:43 GMT
Mark Darrah @biomarkdarrahI’m going to regret this in half an hour but let’s talk “did MEA get a fair shake” First off, the question was not “is MEA secretly a great game and did mean Nintendo make us fail?” MEA is a deeply flawed game. Especially at launch. But the review environment was crowded. Nier, Nioh, Horizon, and Zelda all launched in MEAs window. Each does something better than MEA (again, a flawed game) As a result, even systems that are pretty decent get scrutinized against superiorly implemented ones. Does launching in a different window turn 72% into 90? Certainly not. 72 into 77/78? Maybe. Does that affect sales? Some. But word of mouth matters so much these days. And here’s the thing. That’s the nature of the industry. You don’t have full control over when you launch and no control over when others do. DAI benefited by how tough a year 2014 turned out to be for games You launch the best game you can. MEA has a lot of problems and got lapped by genuinely better games. Seriously DAI is bad to him?! Ridiculous it was good game by merit?! I have a feeling that fans of ME: A and DAI are gonna get left in the dust to appease clickbait youtubers. Well technically he did not say it was "bad", just that had it been released in a launch window that had actual good games that it would not be able to compete. But hey if you enjoyed the game then what does it matter if the executive producer of the game thought it was trash?
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jun 28, 2018 11:51:30 GMT
Talking shit about MEA is the new trend, just like it was doing the same about DAI a few years ago. And ME3 before that, and ME2, and DA2. A lot of people love to stop and see a "good car crash". So youtubers apply this to make up those kind of videos to get more clicks. *looks at Star Wars*
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 28, 2018 11:58:10 GMT
Whilst there were elements of nanotm 's posts that were problematic, nanotm is quite correct that the full sense of their argument has been affected by those portions' removal. So can we drop this line of argument, please.
Well technically he did not say it was "bad", just that had it been released in a launch window that had actual good games that it would not be able to compete. But hey if you enjoyed the game then what does it matter if the executive producer of the game thought it was trash? An excellent point. Does it affect one's own enjoyment of the game if an executive producer at BioWare (if not of that game) recognizes the issues. To my mind: "MEA is a deeply flawed game. Especially at launch." - But I still enjoyed it, despite its faults."Does launching in a different window turn 72% into 90? Certainly not. 72 into 77/78?" - I think a 77/78 rating would have been more correct, Gamespot's '6' still annoys me.
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Post by nanotm on Jun 28, 2018 15:35:49 GMT
Right, but you want LGBT people in some other RPG - one you don't play. I love ME. Why should I be ignored because you get your panties in a bunch over seeing some homos in your game? I'm sure FemShep and Liara didn't bother you one bit. This made me remember something i heard a person said during my time on university. He said that gays didn't bother him, he just didn't want them close to him. I dont care if two guys/gals want to hold hands or swap spit or grope each other in public, more power to them I am glad they feel happy in their own skin and feel free to display their love for each other in public just as I feel free to do so with my spouse, even if we prefer not to most of the time (mostly because we're older and have grown out of that early relationship period) what annoys me is folks acting all camp then claiming discrimination because their request for service is denied or the random wierdos that think its fine to goose you and when you politely explain thats not your bag and despite being flattered they are only human and thus find you irresistible further attempts will leave them requiring first aid and the dumb fuckers do it anyway then cry.... like how hard is it to understand plain speech????
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 28, 2018 15:48:13 GMT
how hard is it to understand plain speech???? What part of "can we drop this line of argument" did you not understand? This is a thread about BioWare's assessment of Mass Effect Andromeda. Not for an exploration of your sexual politics and how you may or may not want to be goosed. Are we done now?
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Post by nanotm on Jun 28, 2018 15:55:10 GMT
how hard is it to understand plain speech???? What part of "can we drop this line of argument" did you not understand? This is a thread about BioWare's assessment of Mass Effect Andromeda. Not for an exploration of your sexual politics and how you may or may not want to be goosed. Are we done now? ehh I waited for ages to make that reply, I wont bait anyone but you cant expect me not to respond when someone insinuates that I'm some kind of homophobe
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 28, 2018 16:06:36 GMT
ehh I waited for ages to make that reply, I wont bait anyone but you cant expect me not to respond when someone insinuates that I'm some kind of homophobe Thanks. On with the thread.
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Post by smilesja on Jun 28, 2018 16:47:57 GMT
Seriously DAI is bad to him?! Ridiculous it was good game by merit?! I have a feeling that fans of ME: A and DAI are gonna get left in the dust to appease clickbait youtubers. Well technically he did not say it was "bad", just that had it been released in a launch window that had actual good games that it would not be able to compete. But hey if you enjoyed the game then what does it matter if the executive producer of the game thought it was trash? Because it’ll affect future games. Mark may forget ME: A fans while appealing to those who dislike the game.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jun 28, 2018 17:02:08 GMT
Let me borrow your time machine, i need the lottery numbers... Not even playing Anthem. MP doesn't appeal to me and I have a crappy internet connection. Just not a realistic option. Instead, I'll be playing Cyberpunk 2077. Funny, too, since I wasn't a huge fan of TW. However, I am a big fan of cyberpunk stuff thanks to Shadowrun (SNES) and William Gibson (among others).
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Post by Queen Skadi on Jun 28, 2018 21:49:23 GMT
Well technically he did not say it was "bad", just that had it been released in a launch window that had actual good games that it would not be able to compete. But hey if you enjoyed the game then what does it matter if the executive producer of the game thought it was trash? Because it’ll affect future games. Mark may forget ME: A fans while appealing to those who dislike the game. Maybe, but it wouldn't be the first group of fans they have alienated, every time they try something new there will always be at least one group of people they alienate, making the jump to action based combat in Jade Empire and Mass Effect would have no doubt alienated those who prefer tactical pause and play combat, the streamlining of classes in the Dragon Age series would have no doubt alienated those who prefer more complexity in their class systems (though arguably Origins was still pretty simple in this regard as well), hell they managed to piss off a vocal group of people with Mass Effect 2 because they did not keep Mass Effect 1's shitty equipment system, imagine how many people they are going to alienate with Anthem going after the online Destiny style approach to gameplay? And to be totally honest with you I really don't think developers should be beholden to doing exactly what fans of their previous games want. Sure it is good to keep fan suggestions in mind but in the end you can't really listen to them too closely and in the end you have to create the game you want to create and stay true to your own creative vision making the decisions you think are right for the game rather than what some of the more vocal elements of the fanbase tell you that you should do, and while I am sure EA could care less about "creative vision" and more about what is profitable and how they can monetize it beyond the initial purchase they too have to do what they think is the right course of action and not what the "fans" think the right course of action is, though I will concede in the case of EA at least I do think they could benefit a bit more from listening to some of the criticisms of their latest games and trying to do better.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Jun 29, 2018 15:19:33 GMT
Mark Darrah @biomarkdarrahI’m going to regret this in half an hour but let’s talk “did MEA get a fair shake” First off, the question was not “is MEA secretly a great game and did mean Nintendo make us fail?” MEA is a deeply flawed game. Especially at launch. But the review environment was crowded. Nier, Nioh, Horizon, and Zelda all launched in MEAs window. Each does something better than MEA (again, a flawed game) As a result, even systems that are pretty decent get scrutinized against superiorly implemented ones. Does launching in a different window turn 72% into 90? Certainly not. 72 into 77/78? Maybe. Does that affect sales? Some. But word of mouth matters so much these days. And here’s the thing. That’s the nature of the industry. You don’t have full control over when you launch and no control over when others do. DAI benefited by how tough a year 2014 turned out to be for games You launch the best game you can. MEA has a lot of problems and got lapped by genuinely better games. Seriously DAI is bad to him?! Ridiculous it was good game by merit?! I have a feeling that fans of ME: A and DAI are gonna get left in the dust to appease clickbait youtubers.
No kidding trying to appeal to the shitheads, shitlords, shitedges, edge lords (or whatever they call themselves or are called by other people this day of the week) that is a quick way to LOSE business because nobody wants to do business with a bunch of whinny entitled man babies.
EA to their credit, pretty much told them if "you don't like it then don't buy" when dealing with these worthless pieces of shit over the inclusion of female character and who is going to in Battlefield 5 and on the cover to the game.
Also here is article about people using "historically arguments" in bad faith getting banned from the BF5 sub reddit, wow imagine that.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 29, 2018 18:05:56 GMT
No kidding trying to appeal to the shitheads, shitlords, shitedges, edge lords (or whatever they call themselves or are called by other people this day of the week) that is a quick way to LOSE business because nobody wants to do business with a bunch of whinny entitled man babies.
EA to their credit, pretty much told them if "you don't like it then don't buy" when dealing with these worthless pieces of shit over the inclusion of female character and who is going to in Battlefield 5 and on the cover to the game.
Also here is article about people using "historically arguments" in bad faith getting banned from the BF5 sub reddit, wow imagine that. There are certainly some aggressive 'fans'. I quite like the certain chutzpah that DICE and EA have employed, basically saying: 'deal with it'...I have some sympathy for the Reddit mods too...
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Post by river82 on Jun 29, 2018 22:43:02 GMT
I don't understand how Darrah saying DA:I launched in a comparatively barren gaming year means Darrah thinks DA:I is bad. It doesn't. However, if Darrah wants to make the argument that Andromeda was affected by a relatively tough release window, he cannot turn a blind eye to the comparatively easy ride Inquisition got because of its release window. Doing so would make his argument inconsistent.
Similarly, acknowledging that Andromeda has flaws is not giving into the edgelords of the internet. Everyone knows Andromeda is a heavily flawed game, and there is nothing wrong with acknowledging it. It makes him more genuine and less of a corporate mouthpiece.
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Post by Queen Skadi on Jun 30, 2018 5:13:27 GMT
No kidding trying to appeal to the shitheads, shitlords, shitedges, edge lords (or whatever they call themselves or are called by other people this day of the week) that is a quick way to LOSE business because nobody wants to do business with a bunch of whinny entitled man babies.
EA to their credit, pretty much told them if "you don't like it then don't buy" when dealing with these worthless pieces of shit over the inclusion of female character and who is going to in Battlefield 5 and on the cover to the game.
Also here is article about people using "historically arguments" in bad faith getting banned from the BF5 sub reddit, wow imagine that. There are certainly some aggressive 'fans'. I quite like the certain chutzpah that DICE and EA have employed, basically saying: 'deal with it'...I have some sympathy for the Reddit mods too... I dunno I don't think the coverage of this situation is being entirely honest here, I can respect a developer who says "this is how we are doing things, if you don't like it don't buy it" however I don't think the developers are being entirely honest here and it looks like this who situation was designed to piss off a certain group of people then twist their arguments to make DICE look like the brave good guys standing up for women to a larger audience (or at least to get the games media on their side). It is almost as if this character was designed to be the most implausible character possible to appear in a WW2 game not only being a woman but having a prosthetic arm, both of which would no doubt get you barred from fighting on the front lines during that period and one that would get you barred from fighting on the front lines even today, is it technically plausible that a woman with a prosthetic arm could have somehow found herself on the front lines in some bizarre twist of circumstance, sure I guess however there are no reports of anything even remotely similar happening in WW2 and it is so far from something that was likely to happen during that period that calling it "historically accurate" is woefully disingenuous.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Jun 30, 2018 15:39:52 GMT
There are certainly some aggressive 'fans'. I quite like the certain chutzpah that DICE and EA have employed, basically saying: 'deal with it'...I have some sympathy for the Reddit mods too... It is almost as if this character was designed to be the most implausible character possible to appear in a WW2 game not only being a woman but having a prosthetic arm, both of which would no doubt get you barred from fighting on the front lines during that period and one that would get you barred from fighting on the front lines even today, Aye, I have to agree with this entirely. My first thought when I saw her was "When did Battlefield become Steampunk? This is news to me, they actually did something different!" Then I heard "World War 2" and I was like...Wait what? why do we have a Steampunk character in a WW2 game?
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Post by Queen Skadi on Jul 1, 2018 0:23:31 GMT
Personally I can only hope people actually take Patrick Soderlund's advice and not buy the game, would love to see this strategy backfire on them spectacularly.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jul 1, 2018 9:38:07 GMT
Personally I can only hope people actually take Patrick Soderlund's advice and not buy the game, would love to see this strategy backfire on them spectacularly. First Battlefield game I've pre-ordered. The 4 person co-op sounds fun... We'll know in a few weeks whether EA's "accept it, or get lost." strategy has been successful.
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Post by Queen Skadi on Jul 1, 2018 10:11:05 GMT
Personally I can only hope people actually take Patrick Soderlund's advice and not buy the game, would love to see this strategy backfire on them spectacularly. First Battlefield game I've pre-ordered. The 4 person co-op sounds fun... We'll know in a few weeks whether EA's "accept it, or get lost." strategy has been successful. Well at least it seems their strategy is working on some level, but if the Battlefront 2 loot box controversy couldn't tank sales by a large margin (I know it sold less than expected however 9 million copies is still a shitload) then I doubt this will either, still can't blame me for being hopeful?
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