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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 2, 2018 22:48:36 GMT
Also hopefully she is a nonsexual LI. What is a nonsexual LI? A LI without a sex scene like Josie, or? Nonsexual is basically a term for a few things I am hoping for that all involve not involving sex in the romance. First and foremost is hoping for a character that is explicitly part of the Ace Spectrum like Asexual or Demisexual. If not that then there is a character who can be seen as those orientations, for example Josephine's writer said she could be seen as Ace or Demi and Merrill's writer recently said she could be seen as Demi. It doesn't just have to be because of sexual orientation though that would be nice, for example Bastila and Sebastian are nonsexual romances because it goes against their belief system. Then there are characters who just either have the sex be optional or ambiguous. What is a nonsexual LI? A LI without a sex scene like Josie, or? Solas and Josephine's romances were both specifically designed to be viewed as sexual or non-sexual depending on the player's preference. I think Hanako Ikezawa may also be referring to a romance that is unambiguously asexual which I would certainly not be opposed to especially since it'd be a way to explore some interesting concepts that I think the Dragon Age writers would be able to handle quite well. To be honest, I always felt it was disappointing that Mass Effect never tried to explore a romance that was non-sexual and/or in which expressing love was portrayed in a more alien fashion like through a mind meld that incorporated the sharing of memories and emotion. It always seemed like such a missed opportunity especially considering the Mass Effect universe contains races such as the asari and salarian. Yeah, in the Shepard Trilogy there was only one LI who could be seen as nonsexual since the writer chose to write their romance as ambiguous, and that is Kelly Chambers who was not treated fairly compared to the other Lis in terms of content(literally the only one not in the Citadel DLC for example). Andromeda at least explored that a lot more, with some romances having it be optional like Cora, some being ambiguous like Suvi, and one actually being plain nonsexual with Avela.
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Post by Gilli on Jul 2, 2018 22:50:27 GMT
What is a nonsexual LI? A LI without a sex scene like Josie, or? Solas and Josephine's romances were both specifically designed to be viewed as sexual or non-sexual depending on the player's preference. I think Hanako Ikezawa may also be referring to a romance that is unambiguously asexual which I would certainly not be opposed to especially since it'd be a way to explore some interesting concepts that I think the Dragon Age writers would be able to handle quite well. To be honest, I always felt it was disappointing that Mass Effect never tried to explore a romance that was non-sexual and/or in which expressing love was portrayed in a more alien fashion like through a mind meld that incorporated the sharing of memories and emotion. It always seemed like such a missed opportunity especially considering the Mass Effect universe contains races such as the asari and salarian. Oh, I know, I just wasn't thinking about Solas when I made my post. Was just a bit confused by the wording of Hanako's post, it's past midnight here and pretty warm. I wouldn't mind that at all, on the contrary, Josie was the first LI I romanced in DAI and I loooooooved her romance.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 2, 2018 22:54:51 GMT
Assuming we have 9 companions again even if all the comic characters including Mae and Olivia became companions that would still leave 3 slots for other characters. More of some of them are instead advisor-tier characters. Ifonly one can be a companion, I hope it is Vaea. Also hopefully she is a nonsexual LI. Personally I was hoping for Charter as a nonsexual LI, however I wonder where her loyalties lie in the end. As discussed by others, Charter is in an established sexual relationship with Tessa. The only way I think Charter would be an option is if those two either break up or those two are a polyamorous romance option since Bioware has said they thought about it but due to resources and programming it would only really be feasible if the two others were already involved and the protagonist can later join in as well. Assuming we have 9 companions again even if all the comic characters including Mae and Olivia became companions that would still leave 3 slots for other characters. More of some of them are instead advisor-tier characters. Ifonly one can be a companion, I hope it is Vaea. Also hopefully she is a nonsexual LI. I don´t think that we get more than 3 known characters as companions. DA 2 had Anders, Isabela and Merrill. DAI had Cassandra, Cole and Varric. If DA 4 continues this trend it could also be three. My guess is Harding, Calpernia and Maevaris are Companions. Vaea and Ser Aaron are in a few Sidequests. Charter is the new Inquisition Spymaster. Tessa is mentioned by Charter. Marius is dead and therefore Calpernia can be romanced Olivia we have to wait but i think its too late to include her in a major role. The same situation then in DAI with Maevaris. Dragon Age Inquisition actually had 5 returning characters. The three you mentioned as companions and then Leliana and Cullen as the advisers. If they stuck with five like DAI, I think Dorian and Charter would be advisers and then Harding, Maevaris, and Vaea would be the companions. Aaron if not a companion I could see as either another adviser or a character involved with Vaea's storyline. Marius and Tessa if not companions would probably be characters like Harding was, showing up to help while working with Charter. Olivia yeah it is too early to tell.
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Post by bshep on Jul 3, 2018 4:59:06 GMT
Nice to see a new DA story. Tevinter is coming (sometime... ).
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Post by melbella on Jul 3, 2018 12:02:42 GMT
So, will all those weapons actually fit inside that wig?
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Post by Gilli on Jul 3, 2018 13:05:52 GMT
Nice to see a new DA story. Tevinter is coming (sometime... ). I love that all those weapons appeared in DAI. :exicted: Okay, let's see... Idk why, but I love seeing those in-game weapons on the cover.
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Post by enaste on Jul 3, 2018 16:38:08 GMT
Nice to see a new DA story. Tevinter is coming (sometime... ). I love that all those weapons appeared in DAI. :exicted: Okay, let's see... Idk why, but I love seeing those in-game weapons on the cover. Good job! I think one next to the daggers is Vigilance from DAO.
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Post by Gilli on Jul 3, 2018 17:17:55 GMT
I love that all those weapons appeared in DAI. Okay, let's see... Idk why, but I love seeing those in-game weapons on the cover. Good job! I think one next to the daggers is Vigilance from DAO. Thanks. IT IS! Nice! I also forgot didn't look for the ones you only partially see. The one below Sulevin Blade (behind the wig) Split Tongue SwordThe one above the Bow of the Dragon (behind the lock of hair) might be a Qunari Sten BladeNow also looking through the DAO/DAA/DA2 weapons I still couldn't find the one between the Murder Knife and the Quiver. Also no idea about that tip that's looking out from behind her face.
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Post by ellehaym on Jul 3, 2018 21:24:48 GMT
Nice to see a new DA story. Tevinter is coming (sometime... ). Maybe I am reaching, but I wonder what the flower and the weapons surrounding her might mean? With her being a con artist then maybe she steals valuable weapons while traveling?
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Post by warden on Jul 4, 2018 0:10:02 GMT
How many Tevinter comics they have done?
I ask because it seems like this will be like Inquisition all over again. What I mean is, if I want to understand a good amount of things, then I will have to read books that i'm not interested in reading.
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Post by ellehaym on Jul 4, 2018 0:18:24 GMT
How many Tevinter comics they have done? I ask because it seems like this will be like Inquisition all over again. What I mean is, if I want to understand a good amount of things, then I will have to read books that i'm not interested in reading. Silent Grove had sections where they went to Tevinter. Mage Killer's 1st half took place in Tevinter. Knight Errand was not in Tevinter, but had agents from there. I think whats connecting them is: The Venatori and Red Lyrium
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Post by phoray on Jul 4, 2018 1:48:48 GMT
How many Tevinter comics they have done? I ask because it seems like this will be like Inquisition all over again. What I mean is, if I want to understand a good amount of things, then I will have to read books that i'm not interested in reading. So far they've just introduced some characters in some really shallow missions. Unlike Masked Empire and Asunder, you aren't missing much and it will be very unlikely to be important for major decisions come DA4
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 4, 2018 1:50:32 GMT
How many Tevinter comics they have done? I ask because it seems like this will be like Inquisition all over again. What I mean is, if I want to understand a good amount of things, then I will have to read books that i'm not interested in reading. So far they've just introduced some characters in some really shallow missions. Unlike Masked Empire and Asunder, you aren't missing much and it will be very unlikely to be important for major decisions come DA4 Yeah anything covered in the comics can be covered in a single conversation that will be happening since there are always background discussions.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 4, 2018 12:47:23 GMT
I think whats connecting them is: Silent Grove does not have lyrium or Venatori but the following instalments do feature the Arishok (Sten) and Rasaan (his chief advisor on behalf of the Ariqun). Since it is likely the Qun/Tevinter war will feature, these two may well crop up again. The lyrium/Venatori connection where the Qun are concerned comes from DAI itself.
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Post by phoray on Jul 4, 2018 14:18:36 GMT
I honestly don't think the Qun would research red lyrium after what's known about it thus far.
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Post by Gilli on Jul 4, 2018 14:37:06 GMT
I honestly don't think the Qun would research red lyrium after what's known about it thus far. They did in Trespasser. IIRC there's Red Lyrium in the Research Tower of the Darvaarad. I think it's the Red Lyrium that made Saraath go nuts.
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Post by phoray on Jul 4, 2018 14:41:33 GMT
I honestly don't think the Qun would research red lyrium after what's known about it thus far. They did in Trespasser. IIRC there's Red Lyrium in the Research Tower of the Darvaarad. I think it's the Red Lyrium that made Saraath go nuts. My opinion of the Qun goes lower, or I've got to assume that the writers said Red Lyrium spread like weeds and then ret conned that because it made it too impossible.
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Post by Gilli on Jul 4, 2018 14:55:32 GMT
They did in Trespasser. IIRC there's Red Lyrium in the Research Tower of the Darvaarad. I think it's the Red Lyrium that made Saraath go nuts. My opinion of the Qun goes lower, or I've got to assume that the writers said Red Lyrium spread like weeds and then ret conned that because it made it too impossible. IMO the Qun has a superiority complex. I haven't played Trespasser in a while, but IIRC there isn't much Red Lyrium, it's only enough to fit into a crate, but it has started growing out of it. So they (the Qun) maybe only brought a tiny bit and it grew? To my shame I have to admit that I (who takes tons of screenshots all the time) never took a screenshot of the Red Lyrium.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Jul 4, 2018 17:20:48 GMT
Dragon Age Inquisition actually had 5 returning characters. The three you mentioned as companions and then Leliana and Cullen as the advisers. I know but i have limited my choices with possible DA 4 companions only.
First why do so many people think that Bioware will use Advisers again?
I don´t think we play as the Inquisitor in DA 4 so why do need Advisiers? I would prefer that Bioware won´t repeat it in DA 4 and use another System for the sake of being Different.
Second Harding and Vaea (Is Vaea even a Fighter? are for my liking too similar. Yes both are likeable but how do they distinguish from eachother? I rather have Calpernia in the party. She is fair more interesting than Vaea.
Third i don´t think we get more than one companion from the Comics.
And this should be Maevaris.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 4, 2018 17:37:43 GMT
Dragon Age Inquisition actually had 5 returning characters. The three you mentioned as companions and then Leliana and Cullen as the advisers. I know but i have limited my choices with possible DA 4 companions only.
First why do so many people think that Bioware will use Advisers again?
I don´t think we play as the Inquisitor in DA 4 so why do need Advisiers? I would prefer that Bioware won´t repeat it in DA 4 and use another System for the sake of being Different.
Second Harding and Vaea (Is Vaea even a Fighter? are for my liking too similar. Yes both are likeable but how do they distinguish from eachother? I rather have Calpernia in the party. She is fair more interesting than Vaea.
Third i don´t think we get more than one companion from the Comics.
And this should be Maevaris.
By advisers, I mean more characters equivalent to them in terms of content. Bioware games have more and more had characters not be part of your companion roster but just as important, from the crew in Mass Effect games to the advisers in DAI. (Also I am still hoping we continue to play as the Inquisitor). There is plenty to distinguish Harding and Vaea from each other. The only things they have in common are they are being women and being rogues. I do not want Calpernia as a party member after all the atrocities she committed in the last game. I do not get why people like that monster. I don't see why we should only get one when DAI gave us more than one. There was Cole from the book and I count Cassandra since other than a brief role in DA2 her whole character comes from the movie about her. If there are 9 companions plus adviser-tier characters I don't see why one of each group couldn't be those characters since that still leaves the majority as new faces.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Jul 4, 2018 18:33:23 GMT
By advisers, I mean more characters equivalent to them in terms of content. Bioware games have more and more had characters not be part of your companion roster but just as important, from the crew in Mass Effect games to the advisers in DAI. Ok i would prefer that this characters would be Faction Leaders. I expect for example Dorian gets a lot of Screentime in DA 4 (maybe a lot more than Solas) but i don´t see him as Companion or Adviser. He is the Leader of the Lucerni Faction therefore the DA 4 Hero have to interact with him several times. I don´t think that would be a good Idea. From all the previous Heroes i find the Inquisitor the most bland one.
Also i really like that Dragon Age is not Mass Effect and chance their Heroes with every Game.
I mean that both of them have a nice and warm personality. And they both work for Charter / Inquisition. Calpernia is no Saint but Monster? Come on Corypheus used her. Her actual attitude is from a chaotic good person who was misleaded.
She wants to free the Slaves and reform Tevinter. Dorian also wants that. But he wasn´t fooled by Corypheus. Also don´t you think that Calpernia deserved a second chance? I disagree. The DAI Cassandra had a lot more in common with their DA 2 Part.
The Movie Cassandra could have a different name and nobody would care. She didn´t looked and sound like Cassandra. I know this Movie 20 Years or so before DAI. Also it a whole Movie with her but nothing really matters in DAI. Only in 2-3 Dialogues.
For me Cassandra like Isabela who had even less Screentime than DA 2 Cassandra is a less used sidecharacter.
If we take DAI as Standard when Harding is the returning Bridge campanion (Varric), Calpernia the flesh out character (Cassandra) and Maevaris from other Media (Cole)
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 4, 2018 18:46:47 GMT
By advisers, I mean more characters equivalent to them in terms of content. Bioware games have more and more had characters not be part of your companion roster but just as important, from the crew in Mass Effect games to the advisers in DAI. Ok i would prefer that this characters would be Faction Leaders. I expect for example Dorian gets a lot of Screentime in DA 4 (maybe a lot more than Solas) but i don´t see him as Companion or Adviser. He is the Leader of the Lucerni Faction therefore the DA 4 Hero have to interact with him several times. I don´t think that would be a good Idea. From all the previous Heroes i find the Inquisitor the most bland one.
Also i really like that Dragon Age is not Mass Effect and chance their Heroes with every Game.
I mean that both of them have a nice and warm personality. And they both work for Charter / Inquisition. Calpernia is no Saint but Monster? Come on Corypheus used her. Her actual attitude is from a chaotic good person who was misleaded.
She wants to free the Slaves and reform Tevinter. Dorian also wants that. But he wasn´t fooled by Corypheus. Also don´t you think that Calpernia deserved a second chance? I disagree. The DAI Cassandra had a lot more in common with their DA 2 Part.
The Movie Cassandra could have a different name and nobody would care. She didn´t looked and sound like Cassandra. I know this Movie 20 Years or so before DAI. Also it a whole Movie with her but nothing really matters in DAI. Only in 2-3 Dialogues.
For me Cassandra like Isabela who had even less Screentime than DA 2 Cassandra is a less used sidecharacter.
If we take DAI as Standard when Harding is the returning Bridge campanion (Varric), Calpernia the flesh out character (Cassandra) and Maevaris from other Media (Cole) I don't think Dorian will be a companion either. I see him as I said being one of the adviser-tier characters, maybe less if Maevaris fills that role since then she is our connection to him. Meanwhile the Inquisitor was my favorite Bioware protagonist, and Trespasser really made it where if anybody else other than them is the protagonist then that would be a terrible idea and harm the story. And sure, have new characters but make sure each character's story is wrapped up first before moving on to the next one. They still have a lot that differentiates themselves from each other. We've had characters who have similar personalities and work for the same people before and yet they are still vastly different characters. Calpernia did everything she did willingly. The fact she served Corypheus isn't an excuse, especially when unlike some others she wasn't completely controlled by him. As for freeing slaves, funny since her group used countless slaves for their missions so she is just being a hypocrite and is no better than the system she supposedly wants to change. And no, I don't think she deserves a second chance. She and her faction caused the death or suffering of thousands to tens of thousands of people, and she did so willingly. Those people are far beyond redemption and the only thing they deserve is a punishment fitting of those crimes. The only thing they had in common in DA2 was the voice and a kind of similar appearance. A lot more of her character, what made her the person she is, came from the movie. No offense, but if the three we get is just Harding, Maevaris, and Calpernia that sounds terrible. Also how can you argue that we shouldn't have Vaea and Harding because they are too similar and yet argue that we should have Maevaris and Calpernia? Those two have far more in common than the other two.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Jul 4, 2018 19:47:36 GMT
Meanwhile the Inquisitor was my favorite Bioware protagonist, and Trespasser really made it where if anybody else other than them is the protagonist then that would be a terrible idea and harm the story. And sure, have new characters but make sure each character's story is wrapped up first before moving on to the next one. I really don´t the issue here. If DAI shows once then a established Threat could be stop with a new Hero rather the former Hero
who was a lot more connection with the Villian. I am talking of course of Corypheus.
Well but my point is that Bioware differ the companions between one Game.
You don´t have two Rogue with a similar personality in the same Game.
Aveline and Cassandra are both female Human Warriors with Bias towards Romance but they won´t appear in same Game / DAI. Have you read the Calpernia Short Story?
Again i disagree. I have watched the Movie a long time after playing DAI but i have never had the feeling that is Version of Cassandra
adds so much more to Cassandras Character when the DA 2 Cassandra. Sorry but its a lot more continuation from the DA 2 Cassandra than the Movie One.
Well it not like that so unique Wish. In many DA 4 Wishlists over the years i see this 3 names. No. Its similar to Morrigan and Wynne. Yes they are both femals Human Mages but they have a very different background and positions to the World.
Calpernia is a former Slave and more radical in her agenda to reform Tevinter. She wants to free the Slaves. Maevaris comes from the rich Family Tilani and therefore she is also a Magistra. Mae want to chance Things too but she has moderate ideas how to do so. Also like Dorian she is more Anti Corruption than Anti Slave. In the Comics it have looked like if she is ok with Tevinter Handling of the Slaves.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 4, 2018 20:06:39 GMT
Meanwhile the Inquisitor was my favorite Bioware protagonist, and Trespasser really made it where if anybody else other than them is the protagonist then that would be a terrible idea and harm the story. And sure, have new characters but make sure each character's story is wrapped up first before moving on to the next one. I really don´t the issue here. If DAI shows once then a established Threat could be stop with a new Hero rather the former Hero
who was a lot more connection with the Villian. I am talking of course of Corypheus.
Well but my point is that Bioware differ the companions between one Game.
You don´t have two Rogue with a similar personality in the same Game.
Aveline and Cassandra are both female Human Warriors with Bias towards Romance but they won´t appear in same Game / DAI. Have you read the Calpernia Short Story?
Again i disagree. I have watched the Movie a long time after playing DAI but i have never had the feeling that is Version of Cassandra
adds so much more to Cassandras Character when the DA 2 Cassandra. Sorry but its a lot more continuation from the DA 2 Cassandra than the Movie One.
Well it not like that so unique Wish. In many DA 4 Wishlists over the years i see this 3 names. No. Its similar to Morrigan and Wynne. Yes they are both femals Human Mages but they have a very different background and positions to the World.
Calpernia is a former Slave and more radical in her agenda to reform Tevinter. She wants to free the Slaves. Maevaris comes from the rich Family Tilani and therefore she is also a Magistra. Mae want to chance Things too but she has moderate ideas how to do so. Also like Dorian she is more Anti Corruption than Anti Slave. In the Comics it have looked like if she is ok with Tevinter Handling of the Slaves. That is a false equivalence. Hawke had nowhere near the connection to Corypheus that the Inquisitor has with Solas. Solas without the Inquisitor will just be another mad mage trying to destroy the world to recreate his own, literally Corypheus 2.0. The Inquisitor/Solas dynamic, whatever it is, is what adds nuance to it and leads to a better story. Meanwhile relying on that connection the players have while using a new protagonist is textbook bad writing. We've had two Warriors have similar personalities in the same game so I don't see why we can't have Rogues. Or why the class should be a factor in determining their personality. I have. What of it? Her short story doesn't change my opinion towards her, well actually it makes it worse. I'm not saying it isn't a continuation of the DA2 Cassandra. I'm saying I see more of the movie her in DAI than the DA2 her in DAI. We'll just have to agree to disagree on that point. Though I should mention I'm not a fan of what they did with some of the movie stuff in the game. Well, Harding and Maevaris show up on most lists since it is all but confirmed that they will be involved. Calpernia on the other hand has been in the minority. So do Vaea and Harding. Superficially they are similar, like Calpernia and Maevaris, but as you look deeper they are less and less the same. Saying two are too similar while the other two are not despite being as similar is kind of hypocritical and suggests you merely just don't want Vaea in which case just be honest and say so.
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Post by shechinah on Jul 4, 2018 23:11:10 GMT
I know but i have limited my choices with possible DA 4 companions only.
1. First why do so many people think that Bioware will use Advisers again?
I don´t think we play as the Inquisitor in DA 4 so why do need Advisiers? I would prefer that Bioware won´t repeat it in DA 4 and use another System for the sake of being Different.
Second Harding and Vaea (Is Vaea even a Fighter? are for my liking too similar. Yes both are likeable but how do they distinguish from eachother? 2. I rather have Calpernia in the party. She is fair more interesting than Vaea.
Third i don´t think we get more than one companion from the Comics.
3. And this should be Maevaris.
1. Advisor can be used non-indicative, basically as a way to describe a non-companion character operating in the same capacity as Leliana, Josephine and Cullen. The characters would not necessarily be advisors: they could be handlers, employers and so on. Hence why some posters also phrase it as an advisor-like role. It's more convenient to call it an advisor role because people are familiar with what that entails and so knows what you are talking about. Example: let's say the player character is working for Dorian. He would be the one directing players and issuing them missions but without taking to the field himself. He would also be available for conversations unlike NPCs who have limited dialogue and role. That's basically what advisors are: non-combat companions. 2. I don't think Calpernia would work as a companion because she'd fall into the same kind of area as Anders if he was a mandatory companion after Dragon Age II. Your character knows what Calpernia has done and is forced to work with her even though to many players, it wouldn't make sense for them to do so. Alternatively, regardless or your character do not know what she has done but the players does and is still force to work with her but without being able to call her out on things like her blatant hypocrisy. Now that I think about, it actually be similar to working for Cerberus in Mass Effect 2 and that was frustrating in quite a lot of ways. For those reasons, I feel Calpernia would work better as an encounterable NPC. 3. I think Maevaris would serve better in an advisor role because of her Magister status and power. She might occasionally step into the field but I feel Maevaris' presence as a companion would "break" too many scenarios unless it was limited where she could go. Example: Why would a bunch of thugs challenge a player character if they are accompanied by a magister? Even if the thugs don't know what's who she is, they know she must be someone of importance and power. Example: Maevaris would have to be low level which would not make sense for a magister. Solas being weak had an explanation in that it was apparently due to having been asleep for so many and so he had to gradually regain his power over time. No, I feel Maevaris would be best as an advisor which would also allow her character to shine without limiting her usage and power. Then when she appears, we would have a real show of a Tevinter magister with all the power and flair that title implies.
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