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Post by sassafrassa on Jun 30, 2019 16:22:02 GMT
Edit: as well it makes sense that the quarians would decide that the best time to do this is when the Reapers attack for the simple reason that if they help fight the Reapers they will lose some of their strength and will thus have great odds against them in recapturing their homeworld. From the perspective of the Admiralty the Migrant Fleet is only going to get weaker over time so either they take back their world now or never. Either Reapers drive them to extinction now or the galaxy itself grinds them down to extinction in the coming decades and centuries. The only worthwhile future for them is one in which they have their homeworld back and can restart their civilization. Is there any evidence that they started only after learning about the Reaper invasion? I'm not certain when exactly they committed to going to war. The precise timeline of events in the game is not clear. How much time passes from the start of the game to the end? How long were the quarians at war? We know from Cerberus/Alliance Daily News posts before ME3's release that the quarians were mobilizing. They attacked some Blue Suns on Korlus if I'm not mistaken and acquired some heavy firepower. However this line of discussion misses the point I was making but it's my fault for not being clear. I have seen it argued many many times that the quarians were being selfish and stupid for going to war with the geth during the Reaper invasion. This claim is made by people angry that the quarian/geth conflict is yet one more problem Shepard must solve in his quest to rally a counterattack to save Earth. As such, I have for years explained how from the quarian POV it makes sense that even in the event of the Reaper invasion it would make sense for them to attack the geth. Oh, and another justification would be that many perceive the geth to be Reaper allies, Legion notwithstanding, and so an attack on them makes sense. Frankly, one wonders why the Council never attacked them in force after ME1.
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Post by burningcherry on Jun 30, 2019 17:13:56 GMT
Is there any evidence that they started only after learning about the Reaper invasion? I'm not certain when exactly they committed to going to war. The precise timeline of events in the game is not clear. How much time passes from the start of the game to the end? How long were the quarians at war? We know from Cerberus/Alliance Daily News posts before ME3's release that the quarians were mobilizing. They attacked some Blue Suns on Korlus if I'm not mistaken and acquired some heavy firepower. However this line of discussion misses the point I was making but it's my fault for not being clear. I have seen it argued many many times that the quarians were being selfish and stupid for going to war with the geth during the Reaper invasion. This claim is made by people angry that the quarian/geth conflict is yet one more problem Shepard must solve in his quest to rally a counterattack to save Earth. As such, I have for years explained how from the quarian POV it makes sense that even in the event of the Reaper invasion it would make sense for them to attack the geth. Oh, and another justification would be that many perceive the geth to be Reaper allies, Legion notwithstanding, and so an attack on them makes sense. Frankly, one wonders why the Council never attacked them in force after ME1. When I first played the game, I assumed that they didn't know about the Reaper invasion until the Normandy arrived – if the information barrier between the Citadel space and the Veil works the same both ways, that was the case. Additionally, you receive some old news in-game about quarian pilgrims buying armament and being recalled to the fleet so they were committed to the action for a while already. Then I learned that there's a ton of ignorants who bash the Admiralty for launching the invasion after they learned about the Reapers and are unable to support this with any evidence. I tried to find any conclusive line in the script the day before yesterday but I found nothing.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Jun 30, 2019 20:20:08 GMT
Oh they found a planet and started to settle it before the council gave them the green light then they were threatened and told to leave or face repercussions. A planet nowhere near Council space, btw. The Council didn't want to send a fleet into the Terminus to pursue Saren for fear of pissing off....someone?....yet they didn't hesitate to threaten sending a fleet against the quarians for daring to settle a non-Council space planet, and instead gave it to a species it wasn't suited for at all. Because reasons.
How the Council can claim dominion over planets in areas they refuse to protect with their fleets is beyond me.
I suppose ideally the Quarians or who ever would have settled there would have build their own ships for self defense and it would have just been the implied threat of support from the Citadel Fleet that would keep the aggression down to small raids. Which would make sense in a way. A massive Citadel Fleet showing up and the various gangs and warlords would unite in sheer self defense at the perceived aggression. But if a single gang or warlord attacked and the Council retaliated there would be no reason for the other gangs and such to help out because they instigated the fight
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2019 20:54:12 GMT
Another note, does anyone notice the irony in Han'Gerrel wanting to blow up the geth dreadnaught with Shepard still on it in ME3? During Tali's loyalty mission in ME2 when you come back form the Alerai if you stop and listen to the proceedings in the courtroom for a minute before going in you can overhear Zal'Koris suggest opening fire on the Alerai. He presumes that Shepard and Tali are dead and that the fleet should just blow up the ship without investigating further. It's odd how he and Gerrel switched roles in ME3. I don't think it can actually be said that Admiral Gerrel switches sides with Koris between the two games.. In ME2, he and Koris are on the same side in trying to convince Ra'an to declare Tali and Shepard dead:
Koris: We have to face facts. There has been no word. There is no reason to believe Tali'Zorah survived. Ra'an: We must trust Shepard's offer of assistance! It has only been a few hours! Gerrel: The quarian marines lasted less than five minutes, Admiral. Call it. Koris: A pity Shepard vas Normandy is a better speaker than a soldier. I recommend posthumously exiling Tali'Zorah. Gerrel: What? Ra'an: It was agreed that Tali'Zorah would not be convicted if she were killed in action.
As a friend of Rael'Zorah, it is logical for Gerrel to not want to exile Tali; but at least at this point, it's sure not sounding like he has any objection to declaring Shepard and Tali dead and the mission a failure... which is what would free up the fleet to fire on the Alerei.
Unfortunately, I can't find a video that delays entering the courtroom longer than this one does, so it's possible the coversation moves towards specifics about firing on the Alerei. However, given Gerrel's agreement about declaring Tali dead, I can't see him objecting to fire on the Alerei which would, at that point, be the only thing they could do to remove the geth threat to the fleet. I could see Xen objecting and wanting to send in even more marines, but only because she would want to study everything.
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Post by sassafrassa on Jun 30, 2019 21:17:53 GMT
I don't think it can actually be said that Admiral Gerrel switches sides with Koris between the two games.. In ME2, he and Koris are on the same side in trying to convince Ra'an to declare Tali and Shepard dead: Koris: We have to face facts. There has been no word. There is no reason to believe Tali'Zorah survived. Ra'an: We must trust Shepard's offer of assistance! It has only been a few hours! Gerrel: The quarian marines lasted less than five minutes, Admiral. Call it.
Alright, then with that quote I stand corrected.
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Post by capn233 on Jun 30, 2019 23:08:00 GMT
Oh they found a planet and started to settle it before the council gave them the green light then they were threatened and told to leave or face repercussions. A planet nowhere near Council space, btw. The Council didn't want to send a fleet into the Terminus to pursue Saren for fear of pissing off....someone?....yet they didn't hesitate to threaten sending a fleet against the quarians for daring to settle a non-Council space planet, and instead gave it to a species it wasn't suited for at all. Because reasons.
How the Council can claim dominion over planets in areas they refuse to protect with their fleets is beyond me.
That was just a lie since the Council was working for the Reapers and they didn't want to prevent Saren from finding the Conduit. That's also why they wouldn't let a prototype stealth ship fly in after him, even though nobody would have known it was there, or operating on behalf of the Council.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jul 1, 2019 0:34:34 GMT
Oh they found a planet and started to settle it before the council gave them the green light then they were threatened and told to leave or face repercussions. A planet nowhere near Council space, btw. The Council didn't want to send a fleet into the Terminus to pursue Saren for fear of pissing off....someone?....yet they didn't hesitate to threaten sending a fleet against the quarians for daring to settle a non-Council space planet, and instead gave it to a species it wasn't suited for at all. Because reasons.
How the Council can claim dominion over planets in areas they refuse to protect with their fleets is beyond me.
Because the Council are the galaxy's biggest assholes.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Jul 2, 2019 12:59:06 GMT
And yet they undercut that entire logic by the use of Geth to reprogram their suits to speed up the adaption process. That means the entire immune system being negatively effected by the overly sterile environments complaint doesn't mean anything. And that they wouldn't need to wear suits in the Fleet only when they would leave the Fleet would they have to suit up. That's not a plot-hole or a contradiction. It is reasonable that they'd never anticipate using the geth to fix their immune systems ahead of time since the geth are not very friendly to anyone. Would you expect them to plan that they'd make peace and live in union with the geth? Even if they made peace it would be more likely that they'd live as separate people, possibly with the geth all just being in the dyson sphere or leaving all together. This is not a plot-hole or an error in thinking on the quarians' part. In truth, the concept is pretty stupid and something the writer's shoved in for some reason. Legion's entire argument to give the Geth upgrade is the use they could be against the Reapers while Tali's entire argument is please don't let my people kill themselves by blindly attacking a superior force. I don't recall the exact dialogue but if you don't let Legion upgrade then the quarians are not throwing themselves blindly at a superior force. They do win if you do that, after all. Oh not saying the Geth fixing it is the problem it is that they could have done that anyways. Even with air filters there would be no way to make the entire ships, particularly their live ships that grow their food completely sterile. I mean it would make sense for Quarians who were away from the Fleet for years at a time being forced to stay in their suits the whole time.
Yes if you don't let Legion upgrade the Quarians win. But Legion's argument is about how the Geth deserve life and how they could be useful
Legion brings up the use of the Reaper Code to upgrade the Geth and to assist Shepard. Tali only brings up how the Fleets are already attacking and that giving the Geth the Reaper code would make them just as strong as when the Reapers were attacking and the Shepard can't pick the Geth over her own people.
It just continues the problem of making the Geth just to...nice. They killed billions without reason but that is pushed to the side and they are treated as 100% the innocent victims of Quarian aggression. It wouldn't be as bad if they didn't consistently hold back the capabilities of synthetic life forms. Geth, EDI and even the Reapers consistently get held back from their full capabilities unless it is important to the plot. The Collector's Leader was able to spike the SR-2's systems and EDI was forced to devote a lot of effort to keep up with it and allow Shepard a safe path back to the SR-2 for them to escape the Collector's ship. If it could do that then the Geth and Reapers would equally have the capabilities of doing that only without a fully realized AI on board the ships of all the other races wouldn't have anything that could compete. Which would mean the Geth and Reapers should be able to disable all other ships without even needing to fire a shot. The threat fails to show to validate trying to make the Geth so innocent.
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Post by sassafrassa on Jul 3, 2019 1:42:59 GMT
It just continues the problem of making the Geth just to...nice. They killed billions without reason but that is pushed to the side and they are treated as 100% the innocent victims of Quarian aggression. It wouldn't be as bad if they didn't consistently hold back the capabilities of synthetic life forms. Geth, EDI and even the Reapers consistently get held back from their full capabilities unless it is important to the plot. The Collector's Leader was able to spike the SR-2's systems and EDI was forced to devote a lot of effort to keep up with it and allow Shepard a safe path back to the SR-2 for them to escape the Collector's ship. If it could do that then the Geth and Reapers would equally have the capabilities of doing that only without a fully realized AI on board the ships of all the other races wouldn't have anything that could compete. Which would mean the Geth and Reapers should be able to disable all other ships without even needing to fire a shot. The threat fails to show to validate trying to make the Geth so innocent. [/div][/quote] It's also worth bringing up that the geth are united hive mind, each intimately involved in the actions of their species where as "the quarians" means countless innocent civilians, including children. As well, I'm not aware of geth have emotions. Can they suffer? Can they feel? I know that quarians suffer psychological trauma living in suits all their lives. I know they pledge their love for their children moments before death, a mother's tears apparent just in the tone of her voice. That kind of think compels me to put quarian welfare, organic welfare, over that of synthetic life. Especially in the case of the geth were we are talking about software and not actual hardware. It should be a simple matter to archive and preserve the geth, and to resurrect them someday if we so choose. It's all been discussed before but the geth's insistence on occupying the quarian worlds makes them at least equally responsible for the war. The geth don't need those worlds but the quarians do. So the easiest way for the geth to avoid conflict is to just leave. They could live virtually anywhere so I can't fathom why they don't just leave for some hostile solar system around a pulsar or something where organics are disinclined to go. In fact, geth or other synthetic life living in environments too hostile for organics and then trading the resources there to organics, might be a way for them to integrate into the galactic economy.
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Post by melbella on Jul 3, 2019 2:08:15 GMT
They could live virtually anywhere so I can't fathom why they don't just leave Maybe because on some level they do feel, even if not in the same way as organics, and they don't want to leave their birth place because they are tied to it as much as the quarians are?
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Post by sassafrassa on Jul 3, 2019 6:07:59 GMT
They could live virtually anywhere so I can't fathom why they don't just leave Maybe because on some level they do feel, even if not in the same way as organics, and they don't want to leave their birth place because they are tied to it as much as the quarians are? Maybe this maybe that, but where is the evidence? What is the reasoning or logic to it? We are talking about a fundamentally wholly different basis for "life" here. A human, quarian, asari, krogan, ect, are all organic beings with organic brain chemistry. They all evolved in broadly similar environments under similar selection pressures and from the same fundamental materials. Synthetic "life" like the geth is wholly something else. It is TRULY alien and a part of that is that it isn't by its nature subjected to naturalistic evolution. It's a deliberately manufactured, designed, system. The geth in particular are interesting to discuss here because they are purely code. This is in stark contrast to EDI or all other AI's which are based on very specific and unique hardware and must undergo a gradual learning process akin to raising a child. Mind you, one wonders whether EDI actually feels emotions like an organic being does. Are they internal mental states, emotional states, real physical and mental feelings are merely the outward appearance of such? I'm not sure it is a question that can ever be answered. However what can is that the geth, being code, can be reproduced or resurrected far more easily than the quarians can.
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Post by melbella on Jul 3, 2019 11:39:51 GMT
Maybe this maybe that, but where is the evidence? What is the reasoning or logic to it? We are talking about a fundamentally wholly different basis for "life" here. A human, quarian, asari, krogan, ect, are all organic beings with organic brain chemistry.
Methinks you are asking why don't the geth think or act like organics after specifically saying they aren't like organics. So why would their reasoning or logic make sense to us?
EDI says she experiences feedback which is akin to emotion but not the same thing.
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Post by sassafrassa on Jul 3, 2019 14:42:53 GMT
Methinks you are asking why don't the geth think or act like organics after specifically saying they aren't like organics. So why would their reasoning or logic make sense to us? EDI says she experiences feedback which is akin to emotion but not the same thing. No, I'm asking if it is even possible that they do, how they possibly could, and pointing out reasons why they surely don't.
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Post by cyberpunker on Jul 6, 2019 9:42:30 GMT
Bioware does bad writing and retcons. The result is that fans must make up their own theories to make sense of the plot or to make it fit better.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Sept 1, 2019 0:01:45 GMT
Bioware does bad writing and retcons. The result is that fans must make up their own theories to make sense of the plot or to make it fit better. Eh I think they just struggle with fully showing what they want you to see. Their intent seems clear but the method in which they display it is flawed.
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Post by sassafrassa on Sept 14, 2019 17:44:00 GMT
Bioware does bad writing and retcons. The result is that fans must make up their own theories to make sense of the plot or to make it fit better. Eh I think they just struggle with fully showing what they want you to see. Their intent seems clear but the method in which they display it is flawed. I think it is the result of having many different writers writing in isolation, contending with budget and design pressures, often having a limited understanding of the topic they want to write about, and many of them not even liking, understanding, or being well versed in science fiction.
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Post by ahglock on Sept 14, 2019 22:07:37 GMT
That's not a plot-hole or a contradiction. It is reasonable that they'd never anticipate using the geth to fix their immune systems ahead of time since the geth are not very friendly to anyone. Would you expect them to plan that they'd make peace and live in union with the geth? Even if they made peace it would be more likely that they'd live as separate people, possibly with the geth all just being in the dyson sphere or leaving all together. This is not a plot-hole or an error in thinking on the quarians' part. In truth, the concept is pretty stupid and something the writer's shoved in for some reason. I don't recall the exact dialogue but if you don't let Legion upgrade then the quarians are not throwing themselves blindly at a superior force. They do win if you do that, after all. Oh not saying the Geth fixing it is the problem it is that they could have done that anyways. Even with air filters there would be no way to make the entire ships, particularly their live ships that grow their food completely sterile. I mean it would make sense for Quarians who were away from the Fleet for years at a time being forced to stay in their suits the whole time.
Yes if you don't let Legion upgrade the Quarians win. But Legion's argument is about how the Geth deserve life and how they could be useful
Legion brings up the use of the Reaper Code to upgrade the Geth and to assist Shepard. Tali only brings up how the Fleets are already attacking and that giving the Geth the Reaper code would make them just as strong as when the Reapers were attacking and the Shepard can't pick the Geth over her own people.
It just continues the problem of making the Geth just to...nice. They killed billions without reason but that is pushed to the side and they are treated as 100% the innocent victims of Quarian aggression. It wouldn't be as bad if they didn't consistently hold back the capabilities of synthetic life forms. Geth, EDI and even the Reapers consistently get held back from their full capabilities unless it is important to the plot. The Collector's Leader was able to spike the SR-2's systems and EDI was forced to devote a lot of effort to keep up with it and allow Shepard a safe path back to the SR-2 for them to escape the Collector's ship. If it could do that then the Geth and Reapers would equally have the capabilities of doing that only without a fully realized AI on board the ships of all the other races wouldn't have anything that could compete. Which would mean the Geth and Reapers should be able to disable all other ships without even needing to fire a shot. The threat fails to show to validate trying to make the Geth so innocent.
Legion is trying to persuade you, not necessarily with the truth. I mean his plan is to hook up reaper tech to his people. That never works out in the long run, and frequently fails in the short run.(sorry Edi, you gots to die)
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Sept 16, 2019 23:04:46 GMT
Eh I think they just struggle with fully showing what they want you to see. Their intent seems clear but the method in which they display it is flawed. I think it is the result of having many different writers writing in isolation, contending with budget and design pressures, often having a limited understanding of the topic they want to write about, and many of them not even liking, understanding, or being well versed in science fiction. Possibly though I think the fact they didn't plan out even the vague outline of the trilogy from the start.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Sept 16, 2019 23:08:42 GMT
Oh not saying the Geth fixing it is the problem it is that they could have done that anyways. Even with air filters there would be no way to make the entire ships, particularly their live ships that grow their food completely sterile. I mean it would make sense for Quarians who were away from the Fleet for years at a time being forced to stay in their suits the whole time.
Yes if you don't let Legion upgrade the Quarians win. But Legion's argument is about how the Geth deserve life and how they could be useful
Legion brings up the use of the Reaper Code to upgrade the Geth and to assist Shepard. Tali only brings up how the Fleets are already attacking and that giving the Geth the Reaper code would make them just as strong as when the Reapers were attacking and the Shepard can't pick the Geth over her own people.
It just continues the problem of making the Geth just to...nice. They killed billions without reason but that is pushed to the side and they are treated as 100% the innocent victims of Quarian aggression. It wouldn't be as bad if they didn't consistently hold back the capabilities of synthetic life forms. Geth, EDI and even the Reapers consistently get held back from their full capabilities unless it is important to the plot. The Collector's Leader was able to spike the SR-2's systems and EDI was forced to devote a lot of effort to keep up with it and allow Shepard a safe path back to the SR-2 for them to escape the Collector's ship. If it could do that then the Geth and Reapers would equally have the capabilities of doing that only without a fully realized AI on board the ships of all the other races wouldn't have anything that could compete. Which would mean the Geth and Reapers should be able to disable all other ships without even needing to fire a shot. The threat fails to show to validate trying to make the Geth so innocent.
Legion is trying to persuade you, not necessarily with the truth. I mean his plan is to hook up reaper tech to his people. That never works out in the long run, and frequently fails in the short run.(sorry Edi, you gots to die) Actually it's plan is to incorporate Reaper Tech into them to upgrade themselves and rid themselves of their fatal weakness. We are also not given any hard facts to discount anything Legion says to call into question what it says and shows. The Quarians how ever are open about their aggressive actions and that they started the fight and lost from ME1. Which doesn't leave much room to defend against anything Legion says.
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Post by AnDromedary on Sept 17, 2019 20:39:43 GMT
Honestly, the whole thing with the quarians not getting another planet of their own always sounded like a huge plot hole in the ME lore to me. It makes no sense. I mean, you guys brought up Ekuna and make it sound like the Council doesn't let them settle anywhere, not even in the Terminus, where they should have no say whatsoever. But even if that was categorically true (and given how much of a pain in the ass the quarian flotilla seems to be for everyone, it also doesn't really sound politically feasible), it doesn't make sense that the quarians could not find some uncharted garden world somewhere in 300 years. The humans get to build something like 5 or 6 colonies on perfect garden worlds in the 8 years before they ever meet the Council races. They also go on to coloize half the attican traverse and plenty of planets in the Terminus in the next 30. The batarians, who are in somewhat of a cold war with the humans and on really bad relations with the council also get to settle multiple worlds in this region. The quarians are only 17 million people. Just finding one single planet somewhere should be more than they ever need for the foreseeable future. And as far as the restrictions in environmental conditions are concerned, well, Tali and a bunch of other say that in principle this is not really a problem, they'd just have to hang on to the suits for a couple of decades longer (which they already did now for several hundred years on their ships, so no biggie) and the fact that they even tried to settle Ekuna which has a whooping 4.1 earth gravities (which is why the Council decided to give it to the Elcor) kinda proves that they were not that choosy when it came right down to it.
My personal head canon explanation is therefore, that there probably was a large conservative political movement in the fleet, that opposed settling on another planet in order to keep pushing the agenda to get Rannoch back somehow. This party may have used arguments like "we can't live on another planet easily" or "the Council/pirates/whoever will never let us stay" but in principle the agenda was always to get back at the geth and thus keep the quarians from just settling on another planet somewhere in order to keep them motivated to go back.
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Post by sassafrassa on Sept 18, 2019 2:16:44 GMT
I think it is the result of having many different writers writing in isolation, contending with budget and design pressures, often having a limited understanding of the topic they want to write about, and many of them not even liking, understanding, or being well versed in science fiction. Possibly though I think the fact they didn't plan out even the vague outline of the trilogy from the start. That doesn't help, but plan or no plan it should be relatively simple and obvious how to write a nuanced story. Frankly, I'm not sure even the writers back in ME1 were on the right track. As I've pointed out before even in ME1 when you ask Tali about the geth your dialog options are to criticize her people for what they did or just exit the conversation. Where is the option to say you think they did the right thing? That the geth have, with their attack on Eden Prime, proven one and for all that they aren't peaceful beings? Now I don't necessarily agree entirely with that last statement, but in-universe it would be a totally reasonable thing to believe. Especially in the context of ME1. Even back in the days of the writers crafting ME1's universe I don't think they had a firm grasp on the level slaughter the geth rebellion implied. It really only gets mentioned with the proper gravity in "Ascension" when Anderson is reflecting on it some.
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Post by sassafrassa on Sept 18, 2019 2:42:26 GMT
Honestly, the whole thing with the quarians not getting another planet of their own always sounded like a huge plot hole in the ME lore to me. [Ect ect ect] A few things. The quarians have the opposite amino acid-chirality from humans and most other species. Their DNA essentially just twists in the opposite direction from the way other species do. They share this trait with the turians in that both are, from a biological chemistry standpoint, minorities. So garden worlds are already rare and the quarians need to find what is rare among rare things. Even if they did, the turians would naturally have the great weight in terms of economic, political, and military power in pushing their claim to it. The galaxy is not fair, especially not the Council. Consider it from this perspective: why let the quarians have anything for free if you can benefit more having it yourself? A better question is why haven't the quarians petitioned to become a turian client race? They'd be protected that way, even if it meant giving up their autonomy. Sometimes I wonder why the Council didn't force it upon them but then the Council never does the responsible thing anyway. Also, consider that if the quarians settle on a world there is a non-zero chance that the geth might find out and attack. A fleet is easier to defend than a planet or cities on a planet. From a military standpoint it might be judged as very, very risky for the quarians to settle somewhere if the geth are still a threat. That is part of the appeal of the homeworld; get your ideal world back and eliminate the greatest threat to your race at the same time. Something to consider about Ekuna and the Terminus systems as well is that the precise location of the Terminus has likely changed with time. I imagine its relative boundaries and overallcoordinates in the Milky Way is the result of several factors, namely the destruction of the quarian civilization and the withdrawal of the batarians from the Citadel. At the time Ekuna was discovered that might have been a stable region of space.
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Post by burningcherry on Sept 18, 2019 4:21:26 GMT
Quarians did attempt finding a new homeworld though, and even sent ships through newly opened relays, implying that everything else was already seeked through (ME: Ascension).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2019 5:54:29 GMT
Honestly, the whole thing with the quarians not getting another planet of their own always sounded like a huge plot hole in the ME lore to me. [Ect ect ect] A few things. The quarians have the opposite amino acid-chirality from humans and most other species. Their DNA essentially just twists in the opposite direction from the way other species do. They share this trait with the turians in that both are, from a biological chemistry standpoint, minorities. So garden worlds are already rare and the quarians need to find what is rare among rare things. Even if they did, the turians would naturally have the great weight in terms of economic, political, and military power in pushing their claim to it. The galaxy is not fair, especially not the Council. Consider it from this perspective: why let the quarians have anything for free if you can benefit more having it yourself? A better question is why haven't the quarians petitioned to become a turian client race? They'd be protected that way, even if it meant giving up their autonomy. Sometimes I wonder why the Council didn't force it upon them but then the Council never does the responsible thing anyway. Also, consider that if the quarians settle on a world there is a non-zero chance that the geth might find out and attack. A fleet is easier to defend than a planet or cities on a planet. From a military standpoint it might be judged as very, very risky for the quarians to settle somewhere if the geth are still a threat. That is part of the appeal of the homeworld; get your ideal world back and eliminate the greatest threat to your race at the same time. Something to consider about Ekuna and the Terminus systems as well is that the precise location of the Terminus has likely changed with time. I imagine its relative boundaries and overallcoordinates in the Milky Way is the result of several factors, namely the destruction of the quarian civilization and the withdrawal of the batarians from the Citadel. At the time Ekuna was discovered that might have been a stable region of space. The thing that blows the dextro DNA argument away though is the fact that the Quarians have been surviving for over 200 years on ships scavenged from other species in space. Therefore, they have to be able to grow their food on those ships and that means that they should be able to build environments to grow their dextro food on pretty much any planet suitable for general habitation by any of the other species.
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Post by AnDromedary on Sept 18, 2019 21:39:16 GMT
Yea, the dextro amino acids really shouldn't hold them back. All that means is that they have to use soil and seeds that they brought from their ships and grow food in greenhouses and/or converted patches of land. Any non-biological element on the planet is still perfectly fine to use. My problem with the quarian conundrum is the sheer amount of facts given to us in the codex that just doesn't fit well with everything else we get to know about the galaxy and the other races in ME1. And that does include burningcherries point that everything in the known universe was already taken. Yes, I know, this is a fact established in the quarian lor but that is exactly the plot hole I am talking about. It doesn't make much sense. Overall, I thought the quarians were the least thought through of the species. Like how no one knows what they look like under the suits when they are only wearing them for less than 300 years while the council has holograms from 2000 years ago when the Citadel was first discovered and asari and krogan have life spans three times as long as that. That never made much sense to me either. Quarians are weird.
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