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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2019 22:17:47 GMT
Yea, the dextro amino acids really shouldn't hold them back. All that means is that they have to use soil and seeds that they brought from their ships and grow food in greenhouses and/or converted patches of land. Any non-biological element on the planet is still perfectly fine to use. My problem with the quarian conundrum is the sheer amount of facts given to us in the codex that just doesn't fit well with everything else we get to know about the galaxy and the other races in ME1. And that does include burningcherries point that everything in the known universe was already taken. Yes, I know, this is a fact established in the quarian lor but that is exactly the plot hole I am talking about. It doesn't make much sense. Overall, I thought the quarians were the least thought through of the species. Like how no one knows what they look like under the suits when they are only wearing them for less than 300 years while the council has holograms from 2000 years ago when the Citadel was first discovered and asari and krogan have life spans three times as long as that. That never made much sense to me either. Quarians are weird.  Yep, a good example of how the OT timeline is basically just a mess.
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Post by sassafrassa on Sept 19, 2019 1:43:22 GMT
The thing that blows the dextro DNA argument away though is the fact that the Quarians have been surviving for over 200 years on ships scavenged from other species in space. Therefore, they have to be able to grow their food on those ships and that means that they should be able to build environments to grow their dextro food on pretty much any planet suitable for general habitation by any of the other species. They are surviving, but they are not thriving. They are not growing. If their population is doing anything it is shrinking and about a third of their population is going to die off in the future. That or be finally forced to give up their sovereignty to another species. As well, living on the Migrant Fleet has exasperated their already rather unique biological needs.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2019 3:06:02 GMT
The thing that blows the dextro DNA argument away though is the fact that the Quarians have been surviving for over 200 years on ships scavenged from other species in space. Therefore, they have to be able to grow their food on those ships and that means that they should be able to build environments to grow their dextro food on pretty much any planet suitable for general habitation by any of the other species. They are surviving, but they are not thriving. They are not growing. If their population is doing anything it is shrinking and about a third of their population is going to die off in the future. That or be finally forced to give up their sovereignty to another species. As well, living on the Migrant Fleet has exasperated their already rather unique biological needs. According to Tali in ME1, they forcibly restrict their birthrates (1 child per couple) to ensure that their population does not outgrow the space that they have in the migrant fleet. If the population starts to fall, they allow more births. Therefore, it's not a problem of growing enough food, it's having the room to both grow food and to house their entire population in space.
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Post by sassafrassa on Sept 19, 2019 7:08:00 GMT
According to Tali in ME1, they forcibly restrict their birthrates (1 child per couple) to ensure that their population does not outgrow the space that they have in the migrant fleet. If the population starts to fall, they allow more births. Therefore, it's not a problem of growing enough food, it's having the room to both grow food and to house their entire population in space. Right. That's my point. Their species is constricted. Do you know how difficult and dangerous it is to try and manage your birth-rate like that? Look at the demographics of China for an example of the problems that can cause. That's coupled with all the other problems quarians face because they have no solid ground of their own. Not much living space. They cannot and will not survive living in space forever. Now there are different possible solutions to that. I don't know what the best one is. Does it really matter? The point is, the situation is not a good one and is, in the long term, not a stable one.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2019 7:38:12 GMT
According to Tali in ME1, they forcibly restrict their birthrates (1 child per couple) to ensure that their population does not outgrow the space that they have in the migrant fleet. If the population starts to fall, they allow more births. Therefore, it's not a problem of growing enough food, it's having the room to both grow food and to house their entire population in space. Right. That's my point. Their species is constricted. Do you know how difficult and dangerous it is to try and manage your birth-rate like that? Look at the demographics of China for an example of the problems that can cause. That's coupled with all the other problems quarians face because they have no solid ground of their own. Not much living space. They cannot and will not survive living in space forever. Now there are different possible solutions to that. I don't know what the best one is. Does it really matter? The point is, the situation is not a good one and is, in the long term, not a stable one. Your original point, however, was that they couldn't find a world because they needed a "rarer than rare" type of world. I'm saying that any garden world is a possibility for them to settle on. Even if the growth of dextro-based foods requires special conditions, those conditions can be supplied in "built" environments. If they can build those environments in space, they can build them on any garden planet. The quarians themselves survive anywhere the other species do... we see them living on the Citadel and on Illium, so they themselves don't need special conditions that cannot be met by built environments. The idea that they need to find a planet that is any rarer than the garden worlds that other species need to survive is a false. The issues preventing them from finding a new homeworld have more to do with the prejudices of the other species than the notion that planets suitable for the quarians are any more rare than the planets suitable for anyone else... because planets suitable for anyone else ARE ultimately suitable for the quarians as well.
ME:A also propagates a falsehood here by leading us to believe that the Turians had to find a special world where dextro plants could grow, when those same plants were kept alive on the Nexus for more than 600 years. Turians have also been living in the same environments as the other species for centuries and eventually we fine them surviving on Eos, Kadara, Voeld, and Elaaden.
As for the birthrate... Tali specifically mentions that the Conclave has had to lift the "one child limit" for more than a century... so, that means the Quarian population is not dwindling, but has remained stable for all that time. Had it been dwindling, the Conclave would have lifted than limit in order to bring the population back up to their desired numbers.
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Post by AnDromedary on Sept 19, 2019 16:05:58 GMT
ME:A also propagates a falsehood here by leading us to believe that the Turians had to find a special world where dextro plants could grow, when those same plants were kept alive on the Nexus for more than 600 years. Turians have also been living in the same environments as the other species for centuries and eventually we fine them surviving on Eos, Kadara, Voeld, and Elaaden. Do they really promote that though?
The only mention I remember is in the codex entry of H047c, where it says "Long-distance studies suggested H-047c was a "golden world," eminently suitable for dextro-protein species like turians, earning it the designation Habitat 5." I mean, first of all, I find it hilarious that from the Milky Way, with the magic geth mass relay telescope, not only could they figure out which worlds are garden worlds but also the dominant chirality of the amino acids on the planet. 
But otherwise, I don't have much of a problem with that statement. Obviously, a planet where life is already mostly dextro-based is particularly suitable for the turians (or quarians). It would potentially be possible to grow plants in native soil, easier to make water potable (without completely sterilizing it) and better tolerate any interaction with the local environment in general. Apart from the fact that with any such interaction (including thinking about microorganisms in the soil and water) you'd have to be extremely careful on a new planet anyway. But over time, a "dextro-planet" surely is the best option for the turians/quarians in Andromeda if they are given a choice. So I'm ok with that.
The quarians however - and there I think we agree - would have been better off on any planet really, rather than on their ships in space. Just the sheer amount of easier-to-access resources and settling space would be a huge advantage, even if they have to keep isolating their food and water sources from the local environment.
On a quick side note, according to this discussion, there is actually a good reason to believe why - at least in the Milky Way - one would suspect that L-amino acids are predominant (e.g. as they get degraded less due to light in the MW being slightly polarized by cosmic dust particles that could promote chirality specific degradation). It's all pretty speculative though. Still interesting. In any case, even if there is slight contamination by amino acids of other chirality, they are not really "poisonous" (as ME would have you believe from time to time), they just can't be processed by our enzymes and are therefore nutritionally useless.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2019 16:32:10 GMT
ME:A also propagates a falsehood here by leading us to believe that the Turians had to find a special world where dextro plants could grow, when those same plants were kept alive on the Nexus for more than 600 years. Turians have also been living in the same environments as the other species for centuries and eventually we fine them surviving on Eos, Kadara, Voeld, and Elaaden. Do they really promote that though?
The only mention I remember is int he codex entry of H047c, where it says "Long-distance studies suggested H-047c was a "golden world," eminently suitable for dextro-protein species like turians, earning it the designation Habitat 5." I mean, first of all, I find it hilarious that from the Milky Way, with the magic geth mass relay telescope, not only could they figure out which worlds are garden worlds but also the dominant chirality of the amino acids on the planet.
But otherwise, I don't have much of a problem with that statement. Obviously, a planet where life is already mostly dextro-based is particularly suitable for the turians (or quarians). It would potentially be possible to grow plants in native soil, easier to make water potable (without completely sterilizing it) and better tolerate any interaction with the local environment in general. Apart from the fact that with any such interaction (including thinking about microorganisms in the soil and water) you'd have to be extremely careful on a new planet anyway. But over time, a "dextro-planet" surely is the best option for the turians/quarians in Andromeda if they are given a choice. So I'm ok with that.
The quarians however - and there I think we agree - would have been better off on any planet really, rather than on their ships in space. Just the sheer amount of easier-to-access resources and settling space would be a huge advantage, even if they have to keep isolating their food and water sources from the local environment.
On a quick side note, according to this discussion, there is actually a good reason to believe why - at least in the Milky Way - one would suspect that L-amino acids are predominant (e.g. as they get degraded less due to light in the MW being slightly polarized by cosmoc dust particles that could promote chirality specific degradation). It's all pretty speculative though. Still interesting. In any case, even if there is slight contamination by amino acids of other chirality, they are not really "poisonous" (as ME would have you believe from time to time), they just can't be processed by our enzymes and are therefore nutritionally useless. Absolutely fair statements.
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Post by burningcherry on Sept 19, 2019 19:38:43 GMT
Well, according to Tali on Therum, they spent generations trying to find something, so it's not like they hadn't. But I think that all the reasons seen on-screen are already mentioned.
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Post by sassafrassa on Sept 21, 2019 5:46:15 GMT
Your original point, however, was that they couldn't find a world because they needed a "rarer than rare" type of world. My point is multilayered, as is the quarian situation. They need a rare world because of their biology. On top of that, they need that world because they are not really surviving that well in the long term without a planet of their own. The constrictions of life in space-ships are debilitating. Sure, any garden world is a "possibility" but that's a vague statement. It also ignores the practical realities that not only are the quarians not going to be well adapted to such a world but they are unlikely to ever be given such a world in a first place, in part for that very reason. Why build controlled environments on a garden world? What's the point? Now you do touch on a different issue here; why don't the quarians start hollowing out asteroids and build artificial worlds there? Most likely the writers just never thought of that. Such asteroids could even be converted, in essence, into large ships. Then again, maybe the Council strictly regulates that kind of thing? After all a converted asteroid could become many things. As for the one child policy, I suggest you get some real-world knowledge.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2019 12:29:49 GMT
Your original point, however, was that they couldn't find a world because they needed a "rarer than rare" type of world. My point is multilayered, as is the quarian situation. They need a rare world because of their biology. On top of that, they need that world because they are not really surviving that well in the long term without a planet of their own. The constrictions of life in space-ships are debilitating. Sure, any garden world is a "possibility" but that's a vague statement. It also ignores the practical realities that not only are the quarians not going to be well adapted to such a world but they are unlikely to ever be given such a world in a first place, in part for that very reason. Why build controlled environments on a garden world? What's the point? Now you do touch on a different issue here; why don't the quarians start hollowing out asteroids and build artificial worlds there? Most likely the writers just never thought of that. Such asteroids could even be converted, in essence, into large ships. Then again, maybe the Council strictly regulates that kind of thing? After all a converted asteroid could become many things. As for the one child policy, I suggest you get some real-world knowledge. The point I'm contending is your first one - they do not NEED a rarer world than any other species because they do have the technology to adapt any garden world to grow their food in sufficient quantities to sustain their population BECAUSE they are already sustaining that population on ships using artificial environments to grow their food. As their population grows, if on a planet, they can expand the food-growing facilities on the planet because they have the space to do so. They don't have that expansion room in their ships.
Other species are finding additional room in the Milky Way to colonize. Humanity is proving that by expanding into the Traverse. Quarians, therefore, must have had the same opportunities to do so They should have done so immediately upon being ejected from Rannoch... BEFORE their immune systems became so compromised. They had colonized other worlds before the Morning War. Yet, instead of expanding their populations on those planets at that time, they abandoned them as well??? and moved everyone onto the ships in the migrant fleet. It literally makes no sense to me.
This is one thing I find exceeding frustrating about the MET. It wanted to put everyone on a galactic scaled template, but the reasoning that went into their population spreads was simply not up to that scale. Entire planets, twice the size of earth, considered to be "out of space" for further colonization with stated populations in the hundreds of thousands. Palaven's population at 6.1 billion when it's larger than earth and supporting the advanced civilization of the Turians for centures longer than earth?... makes no sense. Thessia, settled by the Asari for millennia longer than earth, nearly as large as earth, and yet a population of only 5.5 billion? The Batarians have a space problem (complaining about not being able to expand), when Arotoht (which is nearly the size of earth) only had a population of just over 300,000 people?
They can put 13.2 million people of all different species on the Citadel itself and sustain them in luxury for centuries and without dire consequences to their immune systems.. but not 17 million quarians on a similar structure or on a single planet out of the repertoire of them when most of those planets are extremely sparsely populated. It just makes no sense.
As for the child policy, I suggest you listen to what Tali says about it and stop interjecting assumptions about real-world problems into a game. There is no evidence, for example, that the quarians select the gender of their single child or abort children that don't suit their specifications... problems associated with such limitations in the real world. Start at 10:46 in the following video.
She clearly says that the conclave repeals the one-child limit whenever the Quarian population goes into decline and even offers incentives for multiple births if the population goes into serious decline... and then she clearly states that the conclave has not had to do that (i.e. offer incentives for multiple births) for nearly a century. Clearly the implication of this is that the Quarian population is not in decline... or at the very least not in a serious decline such that incentives are needed to spur population growth.
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Post by sassafrassa on Sept 23, 2019 3:49:03 GMT
The point I'm contending is your first one - they do not NEED a rarer world than any other species... Well you're wrong, sorry. The ability to grow food in a ship does not mean you can just flourish on a planet. A planet is a much bigger and more complex, less controllable, environment. Not to mention it costs money and resources that the quarians surely don't have. Then there is all the red tape and the strategic risks. If what you said was true then the whole setting would break because Garden Worlds would have no value.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 11:44:56 GMT
The point I'm contending is your first one - they do not NEED a rarer world than any other species... Well you're wrong, sorry. The ability to grow food in a ship does not mean you can just flourish on a planet. A planet is a much bigger and more complex, less controllable, environment. Not to mention it costs money and resources that the quarians surely don't have. Then there is all the red tape and the strategic risks. If what you said was true then the whole setting would break because Garden Worlds would have no value. No, I'm not wrong. There are only 17 million quarians in need of a settlement. Canada, which is generally considered to be somewhat sparsely populated, has a population of about 31 million people... almost twice the entire quarian population.
The turians are a dextro species. According to the Codices in the games and other sources, they have 29 worlds.
Palevan is a planet with a radius of 8,990 km. The radius of Earth is only 6,378 km, making Palevan roughly twice the size of earth. The population of Palevan is 6.1 billion, which is about a billion less than the current population of earth and about 53% of the stated population of earth in the MEU They also sustain a population of more than 300,000 people on orbital stations around Palaven. The population of the moon Menae is unknown.
Digeris is described as a "hospitable world home to dextro-amino-based life." It's listed population is only 1.9 billion Turians, yet it is a planet with a radius of 4,061 km. Surely that planet can sustain another 17 million people. The entry for Attakiril (a dextro-based moon roughly the same size of Digerus that sustains only 13.1 million Turians) notes that Quarians briefly considered contesting the Turians but were put off by the presence of bacteria during the growing season. Of course, this would not have been a problem had the Quarians considered settling on the planet before their immune systems became compromised. If they spent centuries looking for a world suitable to settle; they didn't look very hard back then when their immune systems weren't a problem.
... and then there is Oma Ker, a "temperate garden world" that sustains dextro-based life. Its size is larger than earth (radius of 6,739 km) and yet the population is only 259.2 MILLION people (roughly the population of Canada and the USA combined).
The "politics" of the Mass Effect Universe... entire multiple planets to sustain only singular species in sparse population numbers... is just silly... particularly when those same species can live in a mixed popualtion group on the Citadel for centuries with no adverse effects on their immune systems.
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Post by sassafrassa on Oct 6, 2019 21:10:22 GMT
Well you're wrong, sorry. The ability to grow food in a ship does not mean you can just flourish on a planet. A planet is a much bigger and more complex, less controllable, environment. Not to mention it costs money and resources that the quarians surely don't have. Then there is all the red tape and the strategic risks. If what you said was true then the whole setting would break because Garden Worlds would have no value. No, I'm not wrong. There are only 17 million quarians in need of a settlement. Canada, which is generally considered to be somewhat sparsely populated, has a population of about 31 million people... almost twice the entire quarian population. You have no idea what you are talking about. No grasp of logistics. No concept of strategic risks or political implications. Nor a grasp of the meta design of the world being discussed.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 2:04:25 GMT
No, I'm not wrong. There are only 17 million quarians in need of a settlement. Canada, which is generally considered to be somewhat sparsely populated, has a population of about 31 million people... almost twice the entire quarian population. You have no idea what you are talking about. No grasp of logistics. No concept of strategic risks or political implications. Nor a grasp of the meta design of the world being discussed. You apparently have nothing to support your argument since you're reduced to just flinging personal insults at me. If 17 million quarians can survive for 3 centuries aboard a flotilla of scavenged ships, they could have easily survived on a non-dextro-based planet... many of which are stated in the Codex to be vastly underpopulated by the other species. The issue is not that they needed a "rarer than rare" sort of planet. The issues are obviously political... that they either did not want to settle where other species were settled or other species did not want them to settle where they were settled. This is a ridiculous conundrum given that the species co-exist peacefully on the Citadel. Quarians also co-exist with the Asari on Illium. The Turians control numerous dextro-based planets and apparently have an attraction for Quarians, so why couldn't the quarians and turians live together on one of the turian planets?
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Post by burningcherry on Oct 7, 2019 14:27:54 GMT
The turians are a dextro species. According to the Codices in the games and other sources, they have 29 worlds.
Source?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 16:13:45 GMT
The turians are a dextro species. According to the Codices in the games and other sources, they have 29 worlds.
Source?
Count them. There are 29 listed. Since I know the source for the Wiki includes the codices from all three games as well as references made in the books and comics, I worded my post as I did. Note also that I did not say 29 inhabitable worlds... but the uninhabitable ones count as sources of resources for the "second" largest fleet in the entire galaxy.
Digeris is listed as a "A hospitable world home to dextro-amino-acid-based life..." yet it has a turian population of only 1.9 billion. It seems to me that there is probably room on that planet to host a mere 17 million quarians in greater comfort at least than on their flotilla.
If necessary, the quarians could live on a planet and still grow their food on their ships... if they really wanted to settle onto a planet, that is. My premise here is that the quarians don't really want to lose their "downtrodden nomad" persona in the galaxy. The "suits" have become, as Tali says, part of their culture.
There is also something else. The geth allegedly did not pursue the Quarians beyond the Perseus veil, yet, we have Ket-osh listed under "former Quarian worlds" as having been an ancient quarian colony. The Wiki lists it as being located in the Attican Traverse, not behind the Perseus Veil. So, why abandon it during the geth uprising?
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Post by burningcherry on Oct 7, 2019 20:09:06 GMT
Count them. There are 29 listed. Since I know the source for the Wiki includes the codices from all three games as well as references made in the books and comics, I worded my post as I did. Note also that I did not say 29 inhabitable worlds... but the uninhabitable ones count as sources of resources for the "second" largest fleet in the entire galaxy. Digeris is listed as a "A hospitable world home to dextro-amino-acid-based life..." yet it has a turian population of only 1.9 billion. It seems to me that there is probably room on that planet to host a mere 17 million quarians in greater comfort at least than on their flotilla. Now what's the source that all inhabited turian worlds happened to be mentioned. Because a planetary settlement can be nuked with ease wiping out 1/10 of population or so while their fleet can be touched only through deception.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 20:39:22 GMT
Count them. There are 29 listed. Since I know the source for the Wiki includes the codices from all three games as well as references made in the books and comics, I worded my post as I did. Note also that I did not say 29 inhabitable worlds... but the uninhabitable ones count as sources of resources for the "second" largest fleet in the entire galaxy. Digeris is listed as a "A hospitable world home to dextro-amino-acid-based life..." yet it has a turian population of only 1.9 billion. It seems to me that there is probably room on that planet to host a mere 17 million quarians in greater comfort at least than on their flotilla. Now what's the source that all inhabited turian worlds happened to be mentioned. Because a planetary settlement can be nuked with ease wiping out 1/10 of population or so while their fleet can be touched only through deception. Can you not read? I never said they had 29 inhabited worlds. I said the uninhabited ones count for resources under their control.
Someone could apparently destroy a Reaper ship without deception since there are a few derelict ones scattered about in the galaxy. The quarians certainly attacked a geth dreadnought... exposing the entire flotilla to destruction if it weren't for Shepard's intervention. I'm sure the Turians and Asari could amass enough fire power to blow the Quarian flotilla out of existence without deception since the Quarian flotilla tends to travel as a group of ships... particularly before the Quarians decided to arm their live ships like dreadnoughts.
If a fleet can only be touched through deception... then why worry about putting defensive guns on any of them... including the fleet of arks that left for Andromeda?
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Post by burningcherry on Oct 7, 2019 21:24:08 GMT
Now what's the source that all inhabited turian worlds happened to be mentioned. Because a planetary settlement can be nuked with ease wiping out 1/10 of population or so while their fleet can be touched only through deception. Can you not read? I never said they had 29 inhabited worlds. I said the uninhabited ones count for resources under their control. You can't think in terms of set relations. You say that the worlds they settled are all included in that set of 29 mentioned by name. Now what's the source that those are all. Of course I didn't think about the turian military but the batarian terrorists/Cerberus/other smaller forces who can't put a dent in the fleet by force but are fully capable of planting a 150 MT nuke on a surface or dropping an asteroid. Those guns (+communications and mobility) are exactly the reason they can't be touched.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 22:36:52 GMT
Can you not read? I never said they had 29 inhabited worlds. I said the uninhabited ones count for resources under their control. You can't think in terms of set relations. You say that the worlds they settled are all included in that set of 29 mentioned by name. Now what's the source that those are all. Of course I didn't think about the turian military but the batarian terrorists/Cerberus/other smaller forces who can't put a dent in the fleet by force but are fully capable of planting a 150 MT nuke on a surface or dropping an asteroid. Those guns (+communications and mobility) are exactly the reason they can't be touched. Well, again you can also consider that one does NOT need 29 worlds to place 17 million quarians onto a planet. Just one with a little extra room will do... and Digeris clearly indicates that the Turians have at least one such world that would do.
You can also set up significant defenses inside colonies and in orbit around planets. I did say that the reasons for the Quarians not settling on a planet in 300 years were political, not due to the needing a "rarer than rare" world to settle. Figuring a flotilla is more defensible than a planet IS a political reason and it has nothing to do with being a dextro species. It would also be a political reason for not wanting to expand your population beyond that which could live on a very mobile flotilla rather than the population numbers unavoidably dwindling away and the species being headed towards extinction because they can't find that "rarer than rare" world that they don't really need.
It wouldn't surprise me if the Quarians, after having reacquired Rannoch, wind up abandoning it to go back to their nomadic ways aboard the flotilla... if, of course, Bioware writes a sequel to ME3.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 7, 2019 22:56:39 GMT
If Tali could just take some medicine and become completely adapted to being without a suit a few times after having sex with Shepard, then the Quarians could have easily adapted to living on any planet after a little while.
Seriously I hate that romance because of that. It destroys this aspect of Quarians, making their issue trivial. The romance should have had her never being able to leave the suit and them dealing with that. It had so much potential, but nope they went with lore-killing medicine makes it fine.
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Post by burningcherry on Oct 8, 2019 16:06:04 GMT
You can't think in terms of set relations. You say that the worlds they settled are all included in that set of 29 mentioned by name. Now what's the source that those are all. Of course I didn't think about the turian military but the batarian terrorists/Cerberus/other smaller forces who can't put a dent in the fleet by force but are fully capable of planting a 150 MT nuke on a surface or dropping an asteroid. Those guns (+communications and mobility) are exactly the reason they can't be touched. Well, again you can also consider that one does NOT need 29 worlds to place 17 million quarians onto a planet. Just one with a little extra room will do... and Digeris clearly indicates that the Turians have at least one such world that would do. You can also set up significant defenses inside colonies and in orbit around planets. I did say that the reasons for the Quarians not settling on a planet in 300 years were political, not due to the needing a "rarer than rare" world to settle. Figuring a flotilla is more defensible than a planet IS a political reason and it has nothing to do with being a dextro species. It would also be a political reason for not wanting to expand your population beyond that which could live on a very mobile flotilla rather than the population numbers unavoidably dwindling away and the species being headed towards extinction because they can't find that "rarer than rare" world that they don't really need. It wouldn't surprise me if the Quarians, after having reacquired Rannoch, wind up abandoning it to go back to their nomadic ways aboard the flotilla... if, of course, Bioware writes a sequel to ME3.
That's right. And with this conclusion, they may have been searching for a world no one from the outside could find and crash an FTL-moving ship into. If Tali could just take some medicine and become completely adapted to being without a suit a few times after having sex with Shepard, then the Quarians could have easily adapted to living on any planet after a little while. Seriously I hate that romance because of that. It destroys this aspect of Quarians, making their issue trivial. The romance should have had her never being able to leave the suit and them dealing with that. It had so much potential, but nope they went with lore-killing medicine makes it fine. If Hilo'Jaa endured days naked and unprepared in a dirty basement and was still alive, Tali shouldn't get much more that what she did from a single encounter. The ME2 romance was tolerable, only The Citadel spoiled this. Anyway, still would have been better as you say.
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Post by sassafrassa on Oct 27, 2019 22:06:05 GMT
You apparently have nothing to support your argument since you're reduced to just flinging personal insults at me. I've explained myself and my reasoning. Your reasoning is not very sound. Sorry if that offends you but I call it as I see it. If you want to call this a flaw in the world building, fair enough, but that's a totally different discussion.
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