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Post by wright1978 on May 25, 2020 20:21:01 GMT
DAI is a better game than ME1.
It's not exactly fair to compare a 2007 game to a 2014 one. That being said, I had zero issues finishing ME1. DA:I, I still have not finished it. Now don't get me wrong. DA:I does a lot of things well. The characters are better than ME1, the graphics, less repetitive environments... The issue is, there's too much filler, just like Andromeda. If you're a completionist like me, it kills the pacing, and DA:I kills it a lot quicker than ME1. BioWare has shifted from providing meaningful content to simply providing lots of content. It became really prevalent in DA:I, and Andromeda exacerbated it to unbearable proportions. Andromeda is the result of the praise ME2 and DA:I got, with an attempt to include and fix the issues of ME1. That, obviously does not mix well, especially if you're adding content just to keep the player busy and artificially lengthen the hours. Confused how anyone can think ME2 has anything to do with Andromeda. ME2 is a tight story focused game, the sort of thing Bioware has pivoted away from due to Skyrim open world hype in creating DAI and MEA.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 25, 2020 20:42:19 GMT
It's not exactly fair to compare a 2007 game to a 2014 one. That being said, I had zero issues finishing ME1. DA:I, I still have not finished it. Now don't get me wrong. DA:I does a lot of things well. The characters are better than ME1, the graphics, less repetitive environments... The issue is, there's too much filler, just like Andromeda. If you're a completionist like me, it kills the pacing, and DA:I kills it a lot quicker than ME1. BioWare has shifted from providing meaningful content to simply providing lots of content. It became really prevalent in DA:I, and Andromeda exacerbated it to unbearable proportions. Andromeda is the result of the praise ME2 and DA:I got, with an attempt to include and fix the issues of ME1. That, obviously does not mix well, especially if you're adding content just to keep the player busy and artificially lengthen the hours. Confused how anyone can think ME2 has anything to do with Andromeda. ME2 is a tight story focused game, the sort of thing Bioware has pivoted away from due to Skyrim open world hype in creating DAI and MEA.
I can think of a few ways. For example both were smaller scale than 1 or 3, and both had the team be more casual and a bunch of misfits. |
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Post by wright1978 on May 25, 2020 21:00:47 GMT
Confused how anyone can think ME2 has anything to do with Andromeda. ME2 is a tight story focused game, the sort of thing Bioware has pivoted away from due to Skyrim open world hype in creating DAI and MEA.
I can think of a few ways. For example both were smaller scale than 1 or 3, and both had the team be more casual and a bunch of misfits. Team’s more me1. Pick up a bunch of misfits whilst exploring. Quarian has just been replaced by Jaal. kett seemed bent on domination which doesn’t seem very smaller scale. only thing I really think they took from me2 is loyalty missions. Shame they cut the whole notion of consequence though.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2020 21:06:16 GMT
Asking for them to write a completely new story goes way beyond the scope of a remake. At that point, it's a redo. I don’t want a remake or a reboot of the Milky Way. I just want a new game that goes forward from where we are now. You mean, you want ME4? I thought they said that wasn't going to happen?
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Post by ClarkKent on May 25, 2020 21:40:38 GMT
I always see Andromeda as the perfect cocktail of the negatives aspects of all three game in the Mass Effect trilogy.
You've got the terrible vehicle and exploration from Mass Effect 1.
You've got the unfocused main story of Mass Effect 2 - although this is the most tenuous. Mass Effect 2's story didn't nearly have the same pacing issues as MEA.
And you've got the heavily stripped down role playing of Mass Effect 3.
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Post by Highwayman667 on May 26, 2020 1:22:32 GMT
Not even close. It's more like Dragon Age Inquisition in space.
DAI is a better game than ME1.
In Bizarro world perhaps 
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Post by Buckeldemon on May 26, 2020 1:47:40 GMT
I'll take MEA over the bore that is ME1.
At least it didn't have a voice leading the main character around on a leash. Entities with three-capital-letter male names holding the PC on a leash were around before. Before the thing called SAM, there was thing called TIM.  You've got the unfocused main story of Mass Effect 2 - although this is the most tenuous. Mass Effect 2's story didn't nearly have the same pacing issues as MEA. Perhaps not on its own, but... "Hey, we cannot go through the Omega-4 relay/get the Reaper IFF yet, I still have to complete some loyalty missions!"
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Post by themikefest on May 26, 2020 2:13:49 GMT
Entities with three-capital-letter male names holding the PC on a leash were around before. Before the thing called SAM, there was thing called TIM.  Not in ME1, right?
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Post by KaiserShep on May 26, 2020 2:47:03 GMT
I don’t want a remake or a reboot of the Milky Way. I just want a new game that goes forward from where we are now. You mean, you want ME4? I thought they said that wasn't going to happen? I don’t acknowledge this “ME4” business. Chronologically, Andromeda is the latest in the MEU timeline. That’s where I’d prefer to keep going from. Whether or not that actually happens is another matter.
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Post by NotN7 on May 26, 2020 2:52:17 GMT
It's not exactly fair to compare a 2007 game to a 2014 one. That being said, I had zero issues finishing ME1. DA:I, I still have not finished it. Now don't get me wrong. DA:I does a lot of things well. The characters are better than ME1, the graphics, less repetitive environments... The issue is, there's too much filler, just like Andromeda. If you're a completionist like me, it kills the pacing, and DA:I kills it a lot quicker than ME1. BioWare has shifted from providing meaningful content to simply providing lots of content. It became really prevalent in DA:I, and Andromeda exacerbated it to unbearable proportions. Andromeda is the result of the praise ME2 and DA:I got, with an attempt to include and fix the issues of ME1. That, obviously does not mix well, especially if you're adding content just to keep the player busy and artificially lengthen the hours. Confused how anyone can think ME2 has anything to do with Andromeda. ME2 is a tight story focused game, the sort of thing Bioware has pivoted away from due to Skyrim open world hype in creating DAI and MEA.
Your right, the only thing Andromeda has to do with ME2 is the time line for their departure nothing more so please leave it at that
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Post by FireAndBlood on May 26, 2020 13:46:35 GMT
Don’t remake a 13 year old franchise.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on May 26, 2020 14:09:02 GMT
I'd rather they focus on Dragon Age 4 and Mass Effect: Andromeda 2 over a remake of the Shepard Trilogy. This. The story of Shepard has been milked to fucking death and beyond. It was an awesome ride, but man, its really time to move on now. You can only feed from nostalgia for so long until it gets annoying. They're not going to remake or alter the trilogy, beyond a graphical/texture upgrade. Yes, anything more than that would be more of a reMAKE, not a reMASTER.
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Post by Son of Dorn on May 26, 2020 14:12:37 GMT
The problem with a remake is fixing the glaring plotholes in the MET.
And there's a crap load of them.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2020 16:50:38 GMT
The problem with a remake is fixing the glaring plotholes in the MET. And there's a crap load of them. Remakes don't usually touch the story elements.
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Post by Son of Dorn on May 26, 2020 16:54:55 GMT
The problem with a remake is fixing the glaring plotholes in the MET. And there's a crap load of them. Remakes don't usually touch the story elements. But you can't release a MET remake with the same plotholes, otherwise the same problems will come up from the original. |
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2020 16:56:23 GMT
Remakes don't usually touch the story elements. But you can't release a MET remake with the same plotholes, otherwise the same problems will come up from the original. Let the editors handle it. That's their job.
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Post by Son of Dorn on May 26, 2020 16:58:28 GMT
But you can't release a MET remake with the same plotholes, otherwise the same problems will come up from the original. Let the editors handle it. That's their job. Well, they better have eagle eyed vision then. |
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Post by KaiserShep on May 26, 2020 20:34:30 GMT
The problem with a remake is fixing the glaring plotholes in the MET. And there's a crap load of them. Remakes don't usually touch the story elements. In broad strokes, but it’s not a mandate that all elements of the story or characters remain the same. It’s no different from adaptations of comics and novels to film. The ideas of the characters might remain intact, but many of the story details, even character motivations, can be totally different. And really, if you’re not going to put the effort to reimagine things, what’s the point of a remake in the first place?
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2020 21:00:34 GMT
Remakes don't usually touch the story elements. In broad strokes, but it’s not a mandate that all elements of the story or characters remain the same. It’s no different from adaptations of comics and novels to film. The ideas of the characters might remain intact, but many of the story details, even character motivations, can be totally different. And really, if you’re not going to put the effort to reimagine things, what’s the point of a remake in the first place? What you just described to me isn't a remake at all, it's a re-imagining.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 26, 2020 21:03:43 GMT
In broad strokes, but it’s not a mandate that all elements of the story or characters remain the same. It’s no different from adaptations of comics and novels to film. The ideas of the characters might remain intact, but many of the story details, even character motivations, can be totally different. And really, if you’re not going to put the effort to reimagine things, what’s the point of a remake in the first place? What you just described to me isn't a remake at all, it's a re-imagining. That’s just silly hair-splitting. A remake isn’t a 1:1 rehash of a previous story. It can embellish and add new characters and new subplots. If BioWare were to put resources into a remake of the Mass Effect trilogy, you can be certain that they’d be looking to put in a fair amount of newness so it isn’t just an exact copy of the previous game with a new graphics veneer.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2020 21:31:29 GMT
Why the need to change the story?
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Post by wright1978 on May 26, 2020 21:41:57 GMT
Why the need to change the story? Guess I could take them reimagining the me3 ending. realistically though the notion of reimagining sets my teeth on edge. Wouldn’t trust them not to lobotomise what’s great about the series.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 26, 2020 21:49:02 GMT
Why the need to change the story? Why the need to retell it in the first place? Because it’s a cheap cash grab. If we’re going to get a cheap cash grab, the least they can do is put something new to charge us money for. I have no interest whatsoever in an exact retelling of the Mass Effect trilogy. My PS3 works just fine, and if need be I can bite the bullet and get another system or PC to play it on, with all the expansions to boot.
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Post by Son of Dorn on May 26, 2020 21:55:24 GMT
Why the need to change the story? Why the need to retell it in the first place? Because it’s a cheap cash grab. If we’re going to get a cheap cash grab, the least they can do is put something new to charge us money for. I have no interest whatsoever in an exact retelling of the Mass Effect trilogy. My PS3 works just fine, and if need be I can bite the bullet and get another system or PC to play it on, with all the expansions to boot. Indeed. What's the point of repeating the same thing over and over again? |
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2020 22:00:09 GMT
Why the need to change the story? Guess I could take them reimagining the me3 ending. I think that is the main motive behind some people wanting a remake. That, in addition to fixing the supposed "plot holes" and deleting the much hated Starchild so that nothing stands in Shepard's way of destroying the Reapers.
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