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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jul 24, 2020 14:22:47 GMT
Is there any party-based games from the last couple decades that's turn-based? Doesn't seem like a very intuitive match. Sorry, I don't follow? I was referring to the game being First Person Perspective (presumably only). I don't get motion sickness from it like some unfortunately do, I just don't like it compared to Third Person Perspective. I wasn't referencing turn based gameplay in any way. Yeah I agrer I suspect DA and Mas effec twill always remain third person party RPG's as that's wha tthey've built themselves up on. Not suer whether first person RPG's aer genreally my thing tbh. I used to enjoy firs tperson shooters befoer I got into RPG' sso I don't hav ea problem with first person perspecvtiv games it just doesn' t really work for me in an RPG tbh.
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Post by Iakus on Jul 24, 2020 17:07:43 GMT
Sorry, I don't follow? I was referring to the game being First Person Perspective (presumably only). I don't get motion sickness from it like some unfortunately do, I just don't like it compared to Third Person Perspective. I wasn't referencing turn based gameplay in any way. My bad, I meant first person, not turn-based. Don't know what was going through my mind. My point is that first person is usually used for solo RPGs, not party-based ones like DA. Well, Fallout NV and The Outer Worlds are both first person, and you can have up to two companions following you around.
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Post by Iakus on Jul 24, 2020 17:10:23 GMT
The writing on the sword at the end of the teaser spell Oathbinder. A Woedica related title. It's written in Aedyran script too. /translated by a dude on Obsidian discord, the guy is basically fluent in Aedyran, lol. Oathbinder's Sanctum is a dungeon in Deadfire. It's a derelict temple dedicate to Woedica. I'm starting to think that we play a Leaden Key acolyte or Woedica Church Inquisitor charged to destroy the animancy researches in Aedyr a few centuries after the Empire was formed and things went wrong. And in line with those organisations, probably manipulated with lies a little bit (a lot!). If they go full with the Skyrim-like idea, the game is probably classless and might be based on the pnp version of PoE ruleset Sawyer was working on ( there is an alpha document). Oh, what if it's set during the War of Defiance!
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jul 24, 2020 17:30:38 GMT
I dislike first person only for RPGs too. What's the point of a character creator then? This bugged me about Outer Worlds too...
Not at all a deal breaker since I don't suffer motion sickness. Just a detail I'm never thrilled about.
I play Bethesda games 80-90% in first person because combat and exploration is easier that way. But I also like taking pictures of my characters. God needs to look at her creation once in a while, dammit! *g*
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Post by azarhal on Jul 24, 2020 17:36:17 GMT
If this is just first person, I probably won't bother (what's with that trend lately anyway?). I've been thinking about it and I don't see a trend. Not even including (hybrid) shooters which have been mostly 1st person since the 90s (ex: Borderland/Bioshock). Developers stick to what they know or they are simply making the game based a pre-existing 1st person RPGs. There was always RPG/RPG-lite made in 1st person: - Arena, Daggerfall, then tacked-on 3rd person view added with Morrowind (1st person is their main dev view for The Elder Scrolls (TES) and Fallout series based on environmental design) by Bethesda Softwork. - Ultima Underworlds series by Origins - Arx Fatalis, Dark Messiah of Might and Magic, the Dishonored series by Arkane Studios - Deus Ex series by Ion Storms/Edios - a lots of blobbers TES Arena and Arx Fatalis were both inspired by Ultima Underworlds. Deus Ex roots are in System Shock which itself isn't really a RPG so I didn't list it. Dishonored is inspired by Deus Ex as well but Arkane clearly just love making 1st person games. Looking at those games, there is two line of evolution for 1st person RPGs: - blobbers/Ultima Underworlds -> TES - shooter -> System Shock -> Deus Ex Recently (last 5 years) we had: - a Deus Ex sequel (2016) - a Dishonored sequel (2016) - The Outer Worlds by Obsidian Entertainment (2019) - smaller stuff like Bard's Tale IV (2018, a blobber) The Outer Worlds 1st person view makes the game looks even more like a Bethesda era Fallout. I'm not sure if Obsidian gave a reasons for it thought. The unreleased 1st person RPGs are: - Cyberpunk 2077 by CDProjekt - Vampire The Masquerade: Bloodlines 2 by Hardsuit Labs (there previous and only game was a 1st person shooter) - Avowed by Obsidian - Is there any incoming AA-AAA 1st person RPG I don't know about? VTM Bloodlines 2 is a sequel to a game inspired by Deus Ex and the developers doesn't have 3rd person experience. Cyberpunk 2077 had devs say they took inspiration from Deus Ex and VTM Bloodlines, so twice the Deus Ex inspiration bonus... Avowed is based of TES because Obsidian wants to make a Skyrim-clone. Conclusion: CDProjekt is aiming at taking over the Deus EX genre with the Cyberpunk series Hardsuit Labs are just reconfirming VTM Bloodlines design ancestry and keeping to what they know Obsidian has a Bethesda Obsession There is a serious lack AA-AAA single player RPGs released over the last 10 years so the 1st person ones popup way more than before
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Post by Gwydden on Jul 24, 2020 17:44:04 GMT
There is a serious lack AA-AAA single player RPGs released over the last 10 years so the 1st person ones popup way more than before I think Bioware might be largely responsible for the impression of a glut of first person RPGs. They were the poster boy for 3rd person RPGs ten years ago, but they've gone from yearly releases in the 2009-2012 period to a single RPG in the last half decade.
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Post by AnDromedary on Jul 24, 2020 17:56:27 GMT
If this is just first person, I probably won't bother (what's with that trend lately anyway?). I've been thinking about it and I don't see a trend. Not even including (hybrid) shooters which have been mostly 1st person since the 90s (ex: Borderland/Bioshock). Developers stick to what they know or they are simply making the game based a pre-existing 1st person RPGs. There was always RPG/RPG-lite made in 1st person: - Arena, Daggerfall, then tacked-on 3rd person view added with Morrowind (1st person is their main dev view for The Elder Scrolls (TES) and Fallout series based on environmental design) by Bethesda Softwork. - Ultima Underworlds series by Origins - Arx Fatalis, Dark Messiah of Might and Magic, the Dishonored series by Arkane Studios - Deus Ex series by Ion Storms/Edios - a lots of blobbers TES Arena and Arx Fatalis were both inspired by Ultima Underworlds. Deus Ex roots are in System Shock which itself isn't really a RPG so I didn't list it. Dishonored is inspired by Deus Ex as well but Arkane clearly just love making 1st person games. Looking at those games, there is two line of evolution for 1st person RPGs: - blobbers/Ultima Underworlds -> TES - shooter -> System Shock -> Deus Ex Recently (last 5 years) we had: - a Deus Ex sequel (2016) - a Dishonored sequel (2016) - The Outer Worlds by Obsidian Entertainment (2019) - smaller stuff like Bard's Tale IV (2018, a blobber) The Outer Worlds 1st person view makes the game looks even more like a Bethesda era Fallout. I'm not sure if Obsidian gave a reasons for it thought. The unreleased 1st person RPGs are: - Cyberpunk 2077 by CDProjekt - Vampire The Masquerade: Bloodlines 2 by Hardsuit Labs (there previous and only game was a 1st person shooter) - Avowed by Obsidian - Is there any incoming AA-AAA 1st person RPG I don't know about? VTM Bloodlines 2 is a sequel to a game inspired by Deus Ex and the developers doesn't have 3rd person experience. Cyberpunk 2077 had devs say they took inspiration from Deus Ex and VTM Bloodlines, so twice the Deus Ex inspiration bonus... Avowed is based of TES because Obsidian wants to make a Skyrim-clone. Conclusion: CDProjekt is aiming at taking over the Deus EX genre with the Cyberpunk series Hardsuit Labs are just reconfirming VTM Bloodlines design ancestry and keeping to what they know Obsidian has a Bethesda Obsession There is a serious lack AA-AAA single player RPGs released over the last 10 years so the 1st person ones popup way more than before I don't see the trend either. If anything, there have been a lot of isometric ones. - Pillars series - Divinity Original Sin series - Tyranny - Torment: Tides of numenora - Disco Elysium - Shadowrun games - Pathfinder Kingmaker - the new Wasteland games
With Baldur's Gate 3 the next big one is not far away either.
Only the third person over-the-shoulder ones have been a bit scarce lately (very unfortunately IMO). Other than DA:I and ME:A, the only larger titles in that area in the last couple of years are Greedfall and Elex and they are both AA productions but if we are talking 10 years, than there's been Witcher 3 and the new Assassin's Creeds and now apparently Ghosts of Tsushima also goes into that direction.
So yea, First Person is definitely not a trend for RPGs, there are plenty with different perspectives around.
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Post by luketrevelyan on Jul 24, 2020 18:02:19 GMT
If this is just first person, I probably won't bother (what's with that trend lately anyway?). I've been thinking about it and I don't see a trend. Not even including (hybrid) shooters which have been mostly 1st person since the 90s (ex: Borderland/Bioshock). Developers stick to what they know or they are simply making the game based a pre-existing 1st person RPGs. There was always RPG/RPG-lite made in 1st person: - Arena, Daggerfall, then tacked-on 3rd person view added with Morrowind (1st person is their main dev view for The Elder Scrolls (TES) and Fallout series based on environmental design) by Bethesda Softwork. - Ultima Underworlds series by Origins - Arx Fatalis, Dark Messiah of Might and Magic, the Dishonored series by Arkane Studios - Deus Ex series by Ion Storms/Edios - a lots of blobbers TES Arena and Arx Fatalis were both inspired by Ultima Underworlds. Deus Ex roots are in System Shock which itself isn't really a RPG so I didn't list it. Dishonored is inspired by Deus Ex as well but Arkane clearly just love making 1st person games. Looking at those games, there is two line of evolution for 1st person RPGs: - blobbers/Ultima Underworlds -> TES - shooter -> System Shock -> Deus Ex Recently (last 5 years) we had: - a Deus Ex sequel (2016) - a Dishonored sequel (2016) - The Outer Worlds by Obsidian Entertainment (2019) - smaller stuff like Bard's Tale IV (2018, a blobber) The Outer Worlds 1st person view makes the game looks even more like a Bethesda era Fallout. I'm not sure if Obsidian gave a reasons for it thought. The unreleased 1st person RPGs are: - Cyberpunk 2077 by CDProjekt - Vampire The Masquerade: Bloodlines 2 by Hardsuit Labs (there previous and only game was a 1st person shooter) - Avowed by Obsidian - Is there any incoming AA-AAA 1st person RPG I don't know about? VTM Bloodlines 2 is a sequel to a game inspired by Deus Ex and the developers doesn't have 3rd person experience. Cyberpunk 2077 had devs say they took inspiration from Deus Ex and VTM Bloodlines, so twice the Deus Ex inspiration bonus... Avowed is based of TES because Obsidian wants to make a Skyrim-clone. Conclusion: CDProjekt is aiming at taking over the Deus EX genre with the Cyberpunk series Hardsuit Labs are just reconfirming VTM Bloodlines design ancestry and keeping to what they know Obsidian has a Bethesda Obsession There is a serious lack AA-AAA single player RPGs released over the last 10 years so the 1st person ones popup way more than before Great write up! I suppose it may just seem like a trend based on the games I'd be interested in playing. The Outer Worlds, Cyberpunk 2077, and Avowed are all games I probably would otherwise play if not for being first person only. I can't remember that ever being the case before, although I never got into the Deux Ex franchise so that could be part of it. I played Morrowind, Skyrim, FO3, FONV, and FO4 all in third person (never played Oblivion for some reason). So even though first person is the "standard" for those, I could still play and enjoy them in third person. TOW, CP77, and Avowed don't offer that choice (at least I am assuming on Avowed).
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Post by azarhal on Jul 24, 2020 18:18:38 GMT
There is a serious lack AA-AAA single player RPGs released over the last 10 years so the 1st person ones popup way more than before I think Bioware might be largely responsible for the impression of a glut of first person RPGs. They were the poster boy for 3rd person RPGs ten years ago, but they've gone from yearly releases in the 2009-2012 period to a single RPG in the last half decade. It's not just BioWare, although here it might looks like it's mostly because of BioWare.  Bethesda has slowed down more than BioWare has. They went from a new game every 2-3 years, to one every 4-5 years to who-knows-when Starfield will release. Square have mismanaged Eidos like crazy. The AA market is slightly more stable, but in the last decade only Spiders was constant with 3rd person RPGs (unless we start to count all the Soul-like games too). Obsidian and Larian focused on isometric RPGs instead. Now Obsidian moved to 1st person games (Grounded support both 1st and 3rd person thought, but it's just not a RPG). Saying that, we have Ubisoft releasing two Assassin's Creed 3rd person RPGs in 2 years...  And having listed all that, there is a serious lack of fantasy 1st/3rd person RPG since The Witcher3 released. Am I wrong in saying that Avowed is the first (announced) in 5 years? 
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jul 24, 2020 18:43:26 GMT
RDR2 was a glorious 3rd person screenshot frenzy for me. *wistfully remembers*
But yeah, fantasy genre is looking sad.
Had to get into isometric games for the 3P fix...
It's like all the magic is happening there right now anyway.
I think I haven't been this excited for a game with Baldur's Gate 3 since W3. So that was five years ago. It wasn't MEA and it sure wasn't Anthem.
Get your shit together, BioWare!
We need more third person RPGs, yo! Especially party based ones!
I really hope Avowed is more NV amazing than Outer Worlds nice...
The latter gave me some unpleasant New BioWare tingles, tbh.
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Post by Gwydden on Jul 24, 2020 18:53:50 GMT
And having listed all that, there is a serious lack of fantasy 1st/3rd person RPG since The Witcher3 released. Am I wrong in saying that Avowed is the first (announced) in 5 years? , Outward, and Greedfall. But you're not far off, and now that you mention it that trend strikes me as weirder than the 1st person one.
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Post by azarhal on Jul 24, 2020 19:50:18 GMT
The writing on the sword at the end of the teaser spell Oathbinder. A Woedica related title. It's written in Aedyran script too. /translated by a dude on Obsidian discord, the guy is basically fluent in Aedyran, lol. Oathbinder's Sanctum is a dungeon in Deadfire. It's a derelict temple dedicate to Woedica. I'm starting to think that we play a Leaden Key acolyte or Woedica Church Inquisitor charged to destroy the animancy researches in Aedyr a few centuries after the Empire was formed and things went wrong. And in line with those organisations, probably manipulated with lies a little bit (a lot!). If they go full with the Skyrim-like idea, the game is probably classless and might be based on the pnp version of PoE ruleset Sawyer was working on ( there is an alpha document). Oh, what if it's set during the War of Defiance! Some people don't want to leave the Eastern Reach it seems.  The only thing we can be sure is that the voiceover suggest dealing with the repercussions of some animancy gone wrong (" And you must face the monsters
…our sins have born") and the symbolism is focused on Woedica and Aedyran stuff. I don't think the game is set during a major event thought, sound more like a post event clean-up story. Could be post War of Defiance, but in that case the " is an oath worth the weight of a crown?" sound a bit weird, as the only crown in this context is the Aedyr Empire king/queen and they are out of the picture post War of Defiance. Actually that question is just plain weird. What is it asking really? "pledge to oath" is equal to a "pledge to crown" vs "is the oath to this crown worth it" vs "choose between your oath or the crown you serve"?
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Post by azarhal on Jul 24, 2020 19:53:04 GMT
And having listed all that, there is a serious lack of fantasy 1st/3rd person RPG since The Witcher3 released. Am I wrong in saying that Avowed is the first (announced) in 5 years? , Outward, and Greedfall. But you're not far off, and now that you mention it that trend strikes me as weirder than the 1st person one. Vampyr is set in London 1918, it's a supernatural take on the Spanish Flu. I don't see that as fantasy. Greedfall...I forgot and I played it at release last year.  Those are all AA, so no AAA fantasy RPGs in the last 5 years?
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Post by therevanchist25 on Jul 24, 2020 20:58:47 GMT
I dislike first person only for RPGs too. What's the point of a character creator then? This bugged me about Outer Worlds too... Not at all a deal breaker since I don't suffer motion sickness. Just a detail I'm never thrilled about. I play Bethesda games 80-90% in first person because combat and exploration is easier that way. But I also like taking pictures of my characters. God needs to look at her creation once in a while, dammit! *g* THis is one complaint I just never understand. Why do you in real life put any effort into how you look when walk outside? you never get to zoom out and see yourself so whats the point? Why do women spend 3 hours in the bathroom getting their hair and makeup perfect? They never get to zoom out and spin a god camera around to see themselves, complete waste of time. Just go to dinner in pajamas and sweats. Why do you get dressed up nice when you go to work, a suit for example? You never get to see it, totally pointless.
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Post by azarhal on Jul 24, 2020 20:59:55 GMT
I was wondering what the spell at the end of the teaser was, someone identified it on the Obsidian forum: Concelhaut's Draining touch.
That's a Wizard spell, not that it is saying much.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jul 24, 2020 21:06:20 GMT
I dislike first person only for RPGs too. What's the point of a character creator then? This bugged me about Outer Worlds too... Not at all a deal breaker since I don't suffer motion sickness. Just a detail I'm never thrilled about. I play Bethesda games 80-90% in first person because combat and exploration is easier that way. But I also like taking pictures of my characters. God needs to look at her creation once in a while, dammit! *g* THis is one complaint I just never understand. Why do you in real life put any effort into how you look when walk outside? you never get to zoom out and see yourself so whats the point? Why do women spend 3 hours in the bathroom getting their hair and makeup perfect? They never get to zoom out and spin a god camera around to see themselves, complete waste of time. Just go to dinner in pajamas and sweats. Why do you get dressed up nice when you go to work, a suit for example? You never get to see it, totally pointless. Honey, women dress up for other women! And sometimes men. It's not about seeing ourselves, it's about everyone else seeing us. I WOULD walk around in my pajamas if that was socially acceptable... In a game I'm the other people looking at my character. My character doesn't care but *I* do! |
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Post by Iakus on Jul 24, 2020 21:17:22 GMT
Oh, what if it's set during the War of Defiance! Some people don't want to leave the Eastern Reach it seems.  The only thing we can be sure is that the voiceover suggest dealing with the repercussions of some animancy gone wrong (" And you must face the monsters
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Post by azarhal on Jul 24, 2020 23:13:49 GMT
Some people don't want to leave the Eastern Reach it seems. The only thing we can be sure is that the voiceover suggest dealing with the repercussions of some animancy gone wrong (" And you must face the monsters
…our sins have born") and the symbolism is focused on Woedica and Aedyran stuff. I don't think the game is set during a major event thought, sound more like a post event clean-up story. Could be post War of Defiance, but in that case the " is an oath worth the weight of a crown?" sound a bit weird, as the only crown in this context is the Aedyr Empire king/queen and they are out of the picture post War of Defiance. Actually that question is just plain weird. What is it asking really? "pledge to oath" is equal to a "pledge to crown" vs "is the oath to this crown worth it" vs "choose between your oath or the crown you serve"? Well, we've only seen the Dyrwood side of the conflict But if it is a prequel, it may be dealing with the event in 2260 where a bunch of animancers transferred a soul to another body, creating one of the first "artificial undead" in recent memory (which went on to rampage the kingdom, and caused the Aedyran empire and church of Woedica to condemn animancy"). And this was over a century before Aedyr and Kulkin merged into the Aedyran Empire, so more than one crown could be in play... I think pre-War of Defiance might work better, after all it was the Aedyran first king having his subjects steal Engwithan artifacts that sparked everything. It is suspicious in itself too, considering how "don't touch those" Weodica is.. It will probably be an unknown Aedyran events thought, there have centuries to fill out. Saying that, I do have one issue with the game being set pre-Aedyr colonization efforts after thinking more about it. The continent was basically just Meadow Folks humans and Wood Elves back then. Although, I guess that's better than 90% Nord population in Skyrim... I want to play an Orlan. 
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Post by Gwydden on Jul 25, 2020 0:38:55 GMT
I want to play an Orlan. In first person, wouldn't that mean constantly staring at everyone's crotch? 
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Post by Sanunes on Jul 25, 2020 1:23:29 GMT
I think Bioware might be largely responsible for the impression of a glut of first person RPGs. They were the poster boy for 3rd person RPGs ten years ago, but they've gone from yearly releases in the 2009-2012 period to a single RPG in the last half decade. It's not just BioWare, although here it might looks like it's mostly because of BioWare. Bethesda has slowed down more than BioWare has. They went from a new game every 2-3 years, to one every 4-5 years to who-knows-when Starfield will release. Square have mismanaged Eidos like crazy. The AA market is slightly more stable, but in the last decade only Spiders was constant with 3rd person RPGs (unless we start to count all the Soul-like games too). Obsidian and Larian focused on isometric RPGs instead. Now Obsidian moved to 1st person games (Grounded support both 1st and 3rd person thought, but it's just not a RPG). Saying that, we have Ubisoft releasing two Assassin's Creed 3rd person RPGs in 2 years... And having listed all that, there is a serious lack of fantasy 1st/3rd person RPG since The Witcher3 released. Am I wrong in saying that Avowed is the first (announced) in 5 years? Just to add my 2c into this conversation. I think a lot of it also is part of design choices. A player protagonist has more animations and looks if the armor has multiple different looks then NPCs so hiding in by making the game into first person allows them to put the work on one character into multiple. We know that there is a vocal base of players that want everything to look perfect otherwise they complain. Its also why I think character creators have been minimized in a lot of games too where the face of your character is pieced together instead of having sliders so they don't run into the complaints of "bad facial animations".
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Post by azarhal on Jul 25, 2020 1:48:25 GMT
I want to play an Orlan. In first person, wouldn't that mean constantly staring at everyone's crotch? Is that a problem?  It's not like it would looks any different in 3rd person anyway.
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Post by Iakus on Jul 25, 2020 1:56:14 GMT
Well, we've only seen the Dyrwood side of the conflict But if it is a prequel, it may be dealing with the event in 2260 where a bunch of animancers transferred a soul to another body, creating one of the first "artificial undead" in recent memory (which went on to rampage the kingdom, and caused the Aedyran empire and church of Woedica to condemn animancy"). And this was over a century before Aedyr and Kulkin merged into the Aedyran Empire, so more than one crown could be in play... I think pre-War of Defiance might work better, after all it was the Aedyran first king having his subjects steal Engwithan artifacts that sparked everything. It is suspicious in itself too, considering how "don't touch those" Weodica is.. It will probably be an unknown Aedyran events thought, there have centuries to fill out. Saying that, I do have one issue with the game being set pre-Aedyr colonization efforts after thinking more about it. The continent was basically just Meadow Folks humans and Wood Elves back then. Although, I guess that's better than 90% Nord population in Skyrim... I want to play an Orlan.  Primarily meadow folk and wood elves, yeah. But mountain dwarves are also freaking EVERYWEHERE. Ocean folk and amaua (coastal ones at least) are also very old peoples and can be found in a lot of places too. Orlans, yeah I don't think they spread out much until the Eastern Reach was colonized. And of course you never know when or where a godlike will be born
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Post by Frost on Jul 25, 2020 2:18:14 GMT
Yes, there haven't been many 3rd person rpgs lately.  Obsidian going from iso to 1st person doesn't help! |
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Post by azarhal on Jul 25, 2020 12:18:03 GMT
I was kinda apprehensive that the POE teams didn't appear to even work on this game (like all of them were on other stuff), but looks like the Art Director (Robert Nesler), at least one writer who worked on both POE (Paul Kirsch) and one who worked on Deadfire (Megan Stark) are on it. I kinda wish Carrie Patel was on this too, but she's busy with TOW Perils on Gorgon.
Also, Obsidian has apparently hired the guy who made RDR2 world interaction and population system management. So I guess they are going all in on this.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jul 25, 2020 13:01:58 GMT
Also, Obsidian has apparently hired the guy who made RDR2 world interaction and population system management. So I guess they are going all in on this. Ohhhhhh... Maybe I need to be excited for this after all! |
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