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Post by jadedragon on Nov 18, 2024 17:17:53 GMT
Just finished my 1st playthrough as a LoF Human Spellblade. And just talking about the LoF even though I can go in on multiple factions, the LoF is unfortunately the worse faction in the game especially on a immersion level and I feel like that is because they reworked the real pirate faction the Raiders of the Walking Sea and try to make them less morally grey and more just good.
Rivani as a whole feels like such a tacked on location that seems only included because we were already going everywhere else on the map so why not. Rivani culture is the least displayed despite the fact our LoF companion choice revolves them leaning more into Rivani Culture or not. We don't go to a single city or settlement in the country just the coast creating a disconnecting from even the LoF who is in a separate location from their quest location.
Let's add on the fact their is barely any content for the LoF in the game as far as gear or cosmetics go. No Decor for the light house to reflect Qunari, Rivani or LoF, There is a total of 4 LoF armors in the entire game and that the armor sets that have variations there is 0 variations for Rivani or LoF, the Rank 4 armor sets for the LoF is actually Crow gear even has the grow symbol on it the gear itself being from former crow members that have been Repurposed for LoF with some glamours on it is cool but that's not the case it's just Crow Gear. 3 of those 4 gears with 1 of them being the rank 4 set is actually a reskin versions of both of our LoF companion Hero of Veilguard armor but also the Crow member also. Weapons are also the same situation as the armors with LoF probably having the least amount of representation.
And it's really unfortunate because Rivani seemed like what Hammerfall is for Elder Scrolls. It was the in-universe location where the dark complexioned characters had roots in such as Viv, Isabella and even Duncan is half Rivani. And for a company that is all about being inclusive they did a bad job as included cultural aspects within their own world.
Honestly the issue with them either ignoring or trying to move away from their past rather then build on it is noticeable with the Lords. The Faction Leader Isabela is the biggest victim in my opinion of the Keep or lack of past choices in the game. Having played the entire game I can absolutely say not picking any of the choices from the Keep that effects Isabela alone made all their excuses about the Keep not make sense. Contradicting to the point of then speaking on meaningful comebacks. Isabella was a shameless cameo that not only added nothing to the Story but actually hurt it as to make her make sense you have to break her character. Given their can be a world state with both Hawke and Varric gone but Isabela my faction leader not once mourns with me over the loss of her dear friend who she spent years with in Kirkwall and she not even discuss what happen to Varric once made no sense. I can go deeper into Isabela but I'm going to stay focused on the Lords.
The LoF don't even have a real identity in this game because they didn't not just want to make them morally grey pirates but they are not pirates at all and barely treasure hunters. The faction enemy bonus makes no sense and shows how important the Lords are. Mercenaries are few and far between fought in this game I know the faction being strong against a certain enemy is more flavor text, but even as a LoF I couldn't tell forreal because the enemies I'm strong against by the time I really fought them I'm too strong for that to even matter. And it makes no sense that Crows are strong against Qunari vs the Lords. Crows for the most part recently had the Qunari as a direct threat probably the 3rd nation to be known for dealing with the Qun falling behind Tevinter at 1 and Rivani at 2. Isabela has history with the Qun, the Raiders of the Walking Sea are the main faction in thedas history not from Tevinter that really pushed the Qun back. And if you didn't want to make it the Qun at least make it Dragons then. You'll probably fight just as many dragons as Mercenaries in this game so it wouldn't even feel like a short end of a stick.
Now the way I personally feel like they could've handled the LoF with what they presented because I'm not all problems their was a real Dragon Age solution to flesh out this new faction. Every faction has or should have some type of conflict the Lords absolutely have 0 and I think that could've been resolved if instead of rebranding the Raiders off screen we did it in game. Basically in a old school Dragon Age way the LoF quest chain could revolve around Isabela trying to change the direction of the Raiders of the Walking Sea to being a official faction vs a bunch of individual cells that come together as the Armada on rare occasion. There should have been a in-game choice Basically where we can either have the Raiders remain ruthless pirates or build them up to eventually becoming the Lords of Fortune and incorporate more moral options to the faction.
Even the excuse of them being a late game faction doesn't work considering the Mourn Watch while also not as tied to the main quest like other factions don't suffer from the same issue as the Lords. Reactivity is better because even with the companion the issues revolve around topics that fit a Necro vs Taash issues which was split between personal ID which even bleed into LoF moments taking it away from us discussing our life as a lord and more about Taash. Even the Mourn Watch faction quest is paced slightly better and fits the faction. Going around the map taking care of haunting fits it perfectly. But the LoF a treasure hunting faction where I only looked for treasure once for a spirit on a beach not even the faction itself. Their was no quest to explore tombs or ancient temples that could have had artifacts or currency to help support the Veilguard or even the Lords. All in all the LoF while I really enjoyed my Rook, him being a LoF doesn't feel like a viable first playthrough they feel like a faction you play on round 3 or 4 just cause or personal headcanon RP instead of being a main playthrough. So much so that even the final epic battle with all the factions only Isabella and 1 random Lord during 1 seen you can see way in the back appears.
LoF overall is the most disappointing faction in the game so much so their is barely any RP for them. Not having them more involved with Antiva and the Qunari stuff was a misstep
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Post by GoldenGail3 on Nov 18, 2024 17:20:00 GMT
I am not sure where is this coming from, but I'm replying to this in vacuum/out of context of previous discussion/replies It comes straight from Trick Weekes, who has said that they feel Blood Magic is evil and the reason why they didn't include it is because they want Rook to be a "hero" and "blood magic is evil", according to them. There was a massive discussion about it earlier in this thread as well as it's own thread that I think is buried now. But why. who cares tho lol. nobody in dragon age origins or 2 cared that you could be a blood mage. nobody fucking that you could be a blood mage in those games lol.
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Post by 10k on Nov 18, 2024 17:25:34 GMT
Veilguard didn't get nominated at all for anything for the game awards. I would of thought they would have gotten best RPG nomination given it's a 9/10.
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Post by andorvex on Nov 18, 2024 17:31:48 GMT
Veilguard didn't get nominated at all for anything for the game awards. I would of thought they would have gotten best RPG nomination given it's a 9/10. I would assume it needs to be an RPG to be nominated for best RPG but I admit I don't know anything about the game awards
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Post by Guardian on Nov 18, 2024 17:39:10 GMT
It comes straight from Trick Weekes, who has said that they feel Blood Magic is evil and the reason why they didn't include it is because they want Rook to be a "hero" and "blood magic is evil", according to them. There was a massive discussion about it earlier in this thread as well as it's own thread that I think is buried now. But why. who cares tho lol. nobody in dragon age origins or 2 cared that you could be a blood mage. nobody fucking that you could be a blood mage in those games lol. Again, I agree with you 100%!
Just replying to someone else who wanted to know where I got this information about Blood Magic.
I mean....Dragon Age has always been a darker setting, where Blood Magic is just a tool. A tool isn't inherently evil - it's how it's used. And most Blood Mages use their own blood to fuel their power, not others! But...this nuance (as well as the setting as a whole) is lost on current BioWare, sadly, where it seems we're forced to be the "Team Leader Parent/Councilor" for a group of...immature teenagers it looks like....even Harding, if the reports are to be believed (which saddens me....I'm trying to avoid much of her stuff as possible because at some point, I do want to play this game, just to end the series. But I refuse to pay full price for it).
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Post by GoldenGail3 on Nov 18, 2024 17:42:55 GMT
But why. who cares tho lol. nobody in dragon age origins or 2 cared that you could be a blood mage. nobody fucking that you could be a blood mage in those games lol. Again, I agree with you 100%!
Just replying to someone else who wanted to know where I got this information about Blood Magic.
I mean....Dragon Age has always been a darker setting, where Blood Magic is just a tool. A tool isn't inherently evil - it's how it's used. And most Blood Mages use their own blood to fuel their power, not others! But...this nuance (as well as the setting as a whole) is lost on current BioWare, sadly, where it seems we're forced to be the "Team Leader Parent/Councilor" for a group of...immature teenagers it looks like....even Harding, if the reports are to be believed (which saddens me....I'm trying to avoid much of her stuff as possible because at some point, I do want to play this game, just to end the series. But I refuse to pay full price for it).
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Post by LoonySpectre on Nov 18, 2024 17:48:33 GMT
Veilguard didn't get nominated at all for anything for the game awards. I would of thought they would have gotten best RPG nomination given it's a 9/10. I would assume it needs to be an RPG to be nominated for best RPG but I admit I don't know anything about the game awards It's a Rook Pandering Game, so at least the acronym fits
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Post by andorvex on Nov 18, 2024 17:55:08 GMT
I checked, and the Veilguard is nominated in the Game Awards actually. The category is "Innovation in Accessibility" I shit you not
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Post by The Pluto Lounge on Nov 18, 2024 17:58:24 GMT
I checked, and the Veilguard is nominated in the Game Awards actually. The category is "Innovation in Accessibility" I shit you not Naw, that's an important award. BioWare has implemented numerous accessibility options in Veilguard, allowing players with various disabilities to fully enjoy the game.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Nov 18, 2024 18:00:33 GMT
I checked, and the Veilguard is nominated in the Game Awards actually. The category is "Innovation in Accessibility" I shit you not Well, I guess it is the only category I'll let them get away with, lol. Don't know if they actually did anything above and beyond other games but at least that category isn't an insult. And serves them right if that is the only nomination.
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Post by fistoffiori on Nov 18, 2024 18:00:54 GMT
I checked, and the Veilguard is nominated in the Game Awards actually. The category is "Innovation in Accessibility" I shit you not Naw, that's an important award. Bioware added a ton of accessibility options that will aid people with various disabilities to enjoy the game. Yep, it's something the industry is finally getting stuff done on!
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Post by Cyberstrike on Nov 18, 2024 18:01:38 GMT
I checked, and the Veilguard is nominated in the Game Awards actually. The category is "Innovation in Accessibility" I shit you not So, people with physical disabilities shouldn't be able to play video games is that what you're complaining about?
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Post by The Pluto Lounge on Nov 18, 2024 18:05:27 GMT
I checked, and the Veilguard is nominated in the Game Awards actually. The category is "Innovation in Accessibility" I shit you not So, people with physical disabilities shouldn't be able to play video games is that what you're complaining about? You're jumping the gun a bit as I imagine its more of a misunderstanding.
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Post by andorvex on Nov 18, 2024 18:07:25 GMT
I checked, and the Veilguard is nominated in the Game Awards actually. The category is "Innovation in Accessibility" I shit you not Naw, that's an important award. BioWare has implemented numerous accessibility options in Veilguard, allowing players with various disabilities to fully enjoy the game. Ah really? Interesting.. like what? Things in AI and such?
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Post by andorvex on Nov 18, 2024 18:07:57 GMT
I checked, and the Veilguard is nominated in the Game Awards actually. The category is "Innovation in Accessibility" I shit you not So, people with physical disabilities shouldn't be able to play video games is that what you're complaining about? That's really not what I meant lol
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Post by smilesja on Nov 18, 2024 18:10:24 GMT
I checked, and the Veilguard is nominated in the Game Awards actually. The category is "Innovation in Accessibility" I shit you not So, people with physical disabilities shouldn't be able to play video games is that what you're complaining about? I don’t comment here out of respect for people’s opinions, but it’s generally sad that people trashing the game for actually helping people get acclimated to the game. You see other games like Overwatch add colorblind settings because colorblind gamers requesting it. It’s one thing to complain about the writing but it’s another to actually complain that Veilguard is reaching out to people who have physical disabilities. Why is it a bad thing?
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Post by Kappa Neko on Nov 18, 2024 18:10:26 GMT
Just finished my 1st playthrough as a LoF Human Spellblade. And just talking about the LoF even though I can go in on multiple factions, the LoF is unfortunately the worse faction Nods along as a fellow LoF player... Seeing how hideously gaudy the LoF "armors" are I guess we're lucky there were so few of these weird harem cosplay abominations. My favorite perk is 20% against wildlife, what wildlife??? That one flower animal? GREAT! The only LoF gear I'm still using is a legendary saber. The two LoF bows are ass. Currently using crow armor and a generic helmet I found early in the game. Unless I missed it I can't even get the transmog version of what little gear LoF has, I'm missing the skins for the two bows. I kind of knew what I was getting into picking that faction but still. As you say, weird they didn't go into detail about a culture that has A) darker skinned people and is run by women. You'd think they'd be all over that. I'm honestly surprised they didn't jump at the chance to demonstrate how a society run by women is superior.
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Post by witchcocktor on Nov 18, 2024 18:14:01 GMT
I've seen some comments praising the accessibility options of DAV so you know what, good for them. It's certainly a thing that needs to be looked at more often than not in video games.
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Post by Gwydden on Nov 18, 2024 18:15:55 GMT
As you say, weird they didn't go into detail about a culture that has A) darker skinned people and is run by women. You'd think they'd be all over that. I'm honestly surprised they didn't jump at the chance to demonstrate how a society run by women is superior. My impression is that they've gotten a lot less interested in the more "mundane" aspects of the setting, like the cultures of modern day Thedas, and are instead enamored with Deep Lore about the Fade, ancient elven gods, and puppet masters from across the sea.
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Post by andorvex on Nov 18, 2024 18:16:50 GMT
I've seen some comments praising the accessibility options of DAV so you know what, good for them. It's certainly a thing that needs to be looked at more often than not in video games. I admit I misread and thought this is something a bit different, so that's on me.
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Post by The Pluto Lounge on Nov 18, 2024 18:18:49 GMT
Naw, that's an important award. BioWare has implemented numerous accessibility options in Veilguard, allowing players with various disabilities to fully enjoy the game. Ah really? Interesting.. like what? Things in AI and such? Naw, just various options. For example, if you have difficulty hearing, there are subtitles. Different filters for if you have some type of color blindness. You can turn on audio cues if you have poor eye sight. Things like that.
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Post by Liepsnele on Nov 18, 2024 18:23:35 GMT
I checked, and the Veilguard is nominated in the Game Awards actually. The category is "Innovation in Accessibility" I shit you not I already saw people on social media claiming it's because the game was controversial and the organisers didn't want to risk it by nominating Veilguard and getting boycotted... I think it's not THAT deep, the game isn't the best and a lot of long time fans didn't like it much either
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Post by andorvex on Nov 18, 2024 18:25:03 GMT
I checked, and the Veilguard is nominated in the Game Awards actually. The category is "Innovation in Accessibility" I shit you not I already saw people on social media claiming it's because the game was controversial and the organisers didn't want to risk it by nominating Veilguard and getting boycotted... I think it's not THAT deep, the game isn't the best and a lot of long time fans didn't like it much either Jokes aside, I am really surprised it's not even nominated on the RPG category
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Post by Kappa Neko on Nov 18, 2024 18:26:57 GMT
Jokes aside, I am really surprised it's not even nominated on the RPG category Gleeful little gremlin inside me is very happy about this, not gonna lie. Finally something that makes sense with this game.
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Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
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Post by andorvex on Nov 18, 2024 18:33:32 GMT
Is this Elden Ring Shadow of the Erdtree a new game? Never heard of it. I did play Dragon's Dogma 2 and Metaphor. Liked Metaphor much more than DD2 which was good but ultimately another disappointment
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