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Post by KaiserShep on Dec 14, 2020 20:12:32 GMT
Honestly I don't understand the "bad" reception beyond console players. If you're told the game run on console, it should. Granted you could see from miles away there would be issues when after going gold, the game got pushed back. Still, maybe it's because I adore Fallout New Vegas, and in some ways Cyberpunk reminds me of it, I don't get the whole "it's an horrible bugfest" thing? Even people on pc. Sure I have visuals glitches, and had to reload saved files because some key stopped working ...but so far I haven't had a broken quest and I'm almost finished with the main quest and did quite a lot of side content. It's not the first good game that is glitchy. New Vegas, Skyrim even though I didn't play those game on release but years later were still glitchy and people love those games. I don't really understand what's going on. I expected haters/trolls to piss on the game at release and CDP kinda made it easy for them to do so with the pre-release conditions and old gen status. I think some people had a weird idea of what the game was going to be too and dump it after a few hours when they barely touched at its systems. Saying that, I wasn't expecting something that reminded me of Bethesda open worlds too (in a good way). I'm liking it the more I play it too. And I can't say the same of the other "city open worlds" games I played (GTA, Saint-Rows, Sleeping Dogs). I usually get bored after 20 hours, but here I wanted more after 20 hours. I’m actually addicted to the game. Even traveling across town just to shop at a clothing store somehow satisfies me. I never skip ride-along sequences, because they give me that road trip feel that I love. So far, nothing’s really felt like a slog. I’m not worried about grinding levels, so I can really focus on the more story-related content and the nifty vanity items (I had to hop to 3 separate stores to find aviators for biker V lol). I thoroughly love Night City. It’s a nightmarish shit hole, but it’s my nightmarish shit hole.
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Post by linksocarina on Dec 14, 2020 20:32:01 GMT
The story after it goes into Act 2 takes a nose-dive for me, where they pull the Fallout 4 thing of giving you something you NEED to do but you are pretty distracted by everything else to do it.
I also don't like some of the character dynamics...the idea is there (if a bit predictable) but the script doesn't really give it much gravitas thus far. I still got a lot of act 2 to go though.
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Post by Melra on Dec 15, 2020 1:18:31 GMT
The story after it goes into Act 2 takes a nose-dive for me, where they pull the Fallout 4 thing of giving you something you NEED to do but you are pretty distracted by everything else to do it. I also don't like some of the character dynamics...the idea is there (if a bit predictable) but the script doesn't really give it much gravitas thus far. I still got a lot of act 2 to go though. It does take quite a dive and the main story, imo, doesn't really recover after that. There's some nice stuff to see and experience in the side missions though.
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Post by bshep on Dec 15, 2020 2:07:01 GMT
There were people stating here CDPR cannot make a buggy game etc... how everything they touch becomes not gold, but platinum even.  Most are very quiet right now. Wonder why...
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 15, 2020 2:14:03 GMT
There were people stating here CDPR cannot make a buggy game etc... how everything they touch becomes not gold, but platinum even. Most are very quite right now. Wonder why... They're playing the game. I mean, that was the defense whenever people hated on Bioware games about where the supporters were after they came out, so fair's fair.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Dec 15, 2020 2:14:29 GMT
There were people stating here CDPR cannot make a buggy game etc... how everything they touch becomes not gold, but platinum even. Most are very quite right now. Wonder why... In fairness, at least one of those people said that with most CDPR games, you're better off waiting a few months. He just also said that he wouldn't have the patience/willpower to do that. It's hard to judge for that. I'm the same when it comes to Dragon Age.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Dec 15, 2020 8:18:04 GMT
Most are very quite right now. Wonder why... In fairness, at least one of those people said that with most CDPR games, you're better off waiting a few months. He just also said that he wouldn't have the patience/willpower to do that. It's hard to judge for that. I'm the same when it comes to Dragon Age. I did not have bad time with DAI or MEA though... I will wait a bit for DA4  - I will wait a bit longer for CP2077...
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Dec 15, 2020 8:29:25 GMT
In fairness, at least one of those people said that with most CDPR games, you're better off waiting a few months. He just also said that he wouldn't have the patience/willpower to do that. It's hard to judge for that. I'm the same when it comes to Dragon Age. I did not have bad time with DAI or MEA though... I will wait a bit for DA4  - I will wait a bit longer for CP2077... I didn’t either - with DAI. Got it one month after release and had a grand total of 7 crashes/graphical glitches across all my playthroughs (not counting the freeze in combat “feature”). MEA I didn’t play until well after patching was finished, so that was fine, as well.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Dec 15, 2020 13:51:10 GMT
I pre-ordered DAI and the first few weeks were bad. Cutscene crashes galore... Like, every second cutscenes would CTD.
Did I hate Bioware for that? No, why? It was annoying. They fixed it. All forgiven.
The bugs were NOT MEA's main problem to me. So fixing those didn't make me like the game any better. When I started playing after a bunch of patches there weren't that many bugs left anyway.
I don't think the Cyberpunk bugs themselves are reason to crucify CDPR but how they pulled a Bethesda trying to block reviews so that nobody would know what a mess the game is (on consoles) is not okay. And their reputation has a big dent now - and for good reason. Even eventually patching the game in the next six months and making it a great one at last will not make this attempt at outright deception ok. They should either have been honest that the game is nigh unplayable on last gen consoles or delayed further. Either would have been acceptable imo.
That said, I'm looking forward to playing the game a few months down the road. Maybe I'll buy an RTX card for the extra bling bling when they become affordable...
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Post by azarhal on Dec 15, 2020 15:03:54 GMT
Bethesda trying to block reviews so that nobody would know what a mess the game is (on consoles) is not okay. Bethesda has done that before? For Fallout 96? The reviewers were clear CP2077 was a buggy mess thought. I haven't read a single review who didn't mention them, so they were clearly not blocked from talking about them, only blocked of showing them and reviewing the console version. And some reviews mentioned they couldn't review the console version which should have been a redflag in itself. But then, I don't even know how anyone who played CDProjekt previous games at release would have expected something else than a buggy mess, and the console versions were always the worst as CDProjekt is a PC-first company. They also always fix stuff in under a year-time with extras (i.e. reworked UI and features), well I can't talk for the console version because never played those, but I heard TW3 was entirely fixed and it was unplayable on the Playstation at release.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Dec 15, 2020 16:04:07 GMT
Bethesda has done that before? For Fallout 96? The reviewers were clear CP2077 was a buggy mess thought. I haven't read a single review who didn't mention them, so they were clearly not blocked from talking about them, only blocked of showing them and reviewing the console version. And some reviews mentioned they couldn't review the console version which should have been a redflag in itself. But then, I don't even know how anyone who played CDProjekt previous games at release would have expected something else than a buggy mess, and the console versions were always the worst as CDProjekt is a PC-first company. They also always fix stuff in under a year-time with extras (i.e. reworked UI and features), well I can't talk for the console version because never played those, but I heard TW3 was entirely fixed and it was unplayable on the Playstation at release. Wasn't there a review embargo on FO76? Apologies if I misremember. When they had a closed beta, the writing was already on the wall. So when CDPR got cagey about console reviews the writing was on the wall too. Both companies tried to hide just how buggy the game is imo. And that's not cool. I get that this is business but it's still consumer deception imo. The only console version of a CDPR game I played was W2 and I don't remember it being buggy at all. Or not worse than any other game at the time since I can't remember a single bug all these years later. I played W3 a few weeks after release on PC I think and I didn't have issues aside from a few glitches. Nothing like the stuff I saw online though. Anyway, yes, buggy is to expected and it's not the problem if communicated property before release when it's that bad on certain platforms. My BF said, ohhhh this game is going to be extra buggy. With all the delays it was an educated guess. And anybody getting a new ambitious game on such old hardware should have been super wary and not pre-ordered. But surely the consumer isn't to blame for trusting a product to be at least playable? BF hasn't had a single crash on PC yet and only one quest bugged out. He's having a good time with the game, lucky him. A co-worker of mine not so much. On PC too but it keeps crashing for him. So he put his PT on ice. |
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Post by azarhal on Dec 15, 2020 16:30:52 GMT
But surely the consumer isn't to blame for trusting a product to be at least playable? No, but they can be blamed for not paying attention to the reviews content. I mean, if there is no review for your product (i.e. console version), it should raise a big red flag. And the reviewers could say they didn't have access to the console version and the reviews dropped a few days before release day, so no real excuses here to not see the writing on the wall. And if you pre-ordered, well you know what people say: don't pre-order.  I guess we could blame the reviewers for giving 9 and 10s despite calling the game a buggy mess thought, review score are really more hype score these days. Saying that, the real thing here is that it's going to cost CDP less to refund a bunch of old gen console versions of the game than postponing or cancelling that version would have meant in term of lost revenues. BF hasn't had a single crash on PC yet and only one quest bugged out. He's having a good time with the game, lucky him. A co-worker of mine not so much. On PC too but it keeps crashing for him. So he put his PT on ice. I had one CTD in 30 hours and sometimes quest steps bugs, but I only had to reload a previous save once, usually saving now and reloading that save fix the problem. Also, my experience is if a game crash a lots for you (or do other weirds things), but doesn't appear to do so with others: your hardware is dying. Just happened to me with AC Valhalla. Well I wasn't crashing as much as the others did, but I had reboots when playing. Diagnostic: dying PSU.
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Post by Sanunes on Dec 15, 2020 16:31:38 GMT
Bethesda trying to block reviews so that nobody would know what a mess the game is (on consoles) is not okay. Bethesda has done that before? For Fallout 96? The reviewers were clear CP2077 was a buggy mess thought. I haven't read a single review who didn't mention them, so they were clearly not blocked from talking about them, only blocked of showing them and reviewing the console version. And some reviews mentioned they couldn't review the console version which should have been a redflag in itself. But then, I don't even know how anyone who played CDProjekt previous games at release would have expected something else than a buggy mess, and the console versions were always the worst as CDProjekt is a PC-first company. They also always fix stuff in under a year-time with extras (i.e. reworked UI and features), well I can't talk for the console version because never played those, but I heard TW3 was entirely fixed and it was unplayable on the Playstation at release. With Cyberpunk there was an NDA that they couldn't talk about bugs, issues, or their own game footage until the game's release date. I think it was the same approach that The Last of Us Part 2 had as well. They wanted the game to look perfect until the user reviews told us a different story.
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Post by Sanunes on Dec 15, 2020 16:36:34 GMT
After reading the recent comments to investors from the executives at CDPR, I am definitely never going to buy one of their games at release. Cyberpunk was going to be a new start after the problematic releases of The Witcher 1, 2, and 3. It turns out this is worse then any of those and now with the comments about how "they have no special arrangement with retailers" to help people get refunds for their broken release so if you can get one, but if you cannot they aren't going to help either.
Just to be clear for it seems to be something people are missing in my statements, its not about the bugs in the game even though they aren't very flattering. Its the deceit they had going into the launch with the NDAs and only giving out PC review copies to prevent people from knowing the real condition of the console version. This launch from everything I have seen is far worse then what Andromeda was like, Andromeda had issues as well, but the corporate deceit of the state of the game puts it over the edge which is amplified by the non-apologies and "we didn't see the signs it was in a bad state".
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Post by azarhal on Dec 15, 2020 17:02:22 GMT
Bethesda has done that before? For Fallout 96? The reviewers were clear CP2077 was a buggy mess thought. I haven't read a single review who didn't mention them, so they were clearly not blocked from talking about them, only blocked of showing them and reviewing the console version. And some reviews mentioned they couldn't review the console version which should have been a redflag in itself. But then, I don't even know how anyone who played CDProjekt previous games at release would have expected something else than a buggy mess, and the console versions were always the worst as CDProjekt is a PC-first company. They also always fix stuff in under a year-time with extras (i.e. reworked UI and features), well I can't talk for the console version because never played those, but I heard TW3 was entirely fixed and it was unplayable on the Playstation at release. With Cyberpunk there was an NDA that they couldn't talk about bugs, issues, or their own game footage until the game's release date. I think it was the same approach that The Last of Us Part 2 had as well. They wanted the game to look perfect until the user reviews told us a different story. Then the majority of the reviewers broke that NDA 3 days before release because I've most of the reviews I read listed some of the main bugs and issues they had with the (PC version) of the game and all reviews mentioned bugs.
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Post by gutza1 on Dec 17, 2020 0:46:53 GMT
Honestly, even if I might give Cyberpunk 2077 a chance in a few months, I can't help but feel a bit vindicated about this fiasco. For years, CDPR stans were telling me that BioWare was dead, that Dragon Age: Origins was the only good game in the series and that I should be playing The Witcher 3 instead of DAI, that CDPR was the future of RPGs, and now all those angry gamers that bullied me get to eat crow.
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Post by Serza on Dec 17, 2020 9:00:23 GMT
^ me, seeing how much shit Cyberpunk is getting
Seriously. I've seen this twice before. Inquisition and Andromeda.
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Post by gutza1 on Dec 17, 2020 20:07:30 GMT
^ me, seeing how much shit Cyberpunk is getting Seriously. I've seen this twice before. Inquisition and Andromeda. More like Anthem and Andromeda. People praised Inquisition upon release, it was only after TW3 came out that people started hating it.
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Post by bshep on Dec 19, 2020 2:34:56 GMT
Seems like a really good time for the developers to push back against their crappy treatment inside CDPR.
With all the fires happening maybe this time they(board of directors) will actually look to improve the "crunch culture" inside the company.
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Post by smilesja on Dec 19, 2020 3:20:28 GMT
Seems like a really good time for the developers to push back against their crappy treatment inside CDPR.
With all the fires happening maybe this time they(board of directors) will actually look to improve the "crunch culture" inside the company. Because if anything..... the programmers and all the other small time workers will suffer as they frantically fix this game. The CEOs and the big investors got what they wanted but for the people in the bottom, I have a feeling it's going to be a lot worse.
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Post by Melra on Dec 21, 2020 1:28:02 GMT
Seems like a really good time for the developers to push back against their crappy treatment inside CDPR.
With all the fires happening maybe this time they(board of directors) will actually look to improve the "crunch culture" inside the company. Because if anything..... the programmers and all the other small time workers will suffer as they frantically fix this game. The CEOs and the big investors got what they wanted but for the people in the bottom, I have a feeling it's going to be a lot worse. Must be nice going on a Christmas holiday, knowing that there's a hellstorm waiting as soon as you get back. Meanwhile your management is acting quite out of it and not making things necessarily easier for the company in the public eye. Just have to hope the staff can get some rest, apparently number of them were surprised by the statements of the management about game going gold, so the release came as bit of a surprise for at least some of them.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Dec 21, 2020 1:36:52 GMT
Ok, this is probably unnecessarily mean on my part - and probably already been noted elsewhere online - but;
2:07...
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Dec 21, 2020 1:45:09 GMT
Because if anything..... the programmers and all the other small time workers will suffer as they frantically fix this game. The CEOs and the big investors got what they wanted but for the people in the bottom, I have a feeling it's going to be a lot worse. apparently number of them were surprised by the statements of the management about game going gold, so the release came as bit of a surprised for at least some of them. Further to this - and related to my post above - it is just so strange to me, that the company that made TW3 - in my view, one of the all time greats - with a history being bullish about it being "them that decides when the game releases, and no-one else" - felt this was a good move, or even an OK one. I actually can't quite wrap my head around it. Plenty of people are enjoying it, no doubt, especially on PC. But for it to have this kind of reception means that there is something fundamentally wrong and it seems completely out of character for how they've treated their games in the past. TW3 was barely a month old when I first played - and I had virtually no issues whatsoever. I know others did, and that sucks, but my experience with it was entirely positive. So I can't help but wonder if there was a whole lot more at play here than just - "developer breaks bad and ruins reputation for tasty pre-order cash and salty memes".
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Post by smilesja on Dec 21, 2020 2:29:55 GMT
apparently number of them were surprised by the statements of the management about game going gold, so the release came as bit of a surprised for at least some of them. Further to this - and related to my post above - it is just so strange to me, that the company that made TW3 - in my view, one of the all time greats - with a history being bullish about it being "them that decides when the game releases, and no-one else" - felt this was a good move, or even an OK one. I think the answer is simple: CDPR like Bioware are a company that is driven by profit and appeasing shareholders.
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- I will wait a bit longer for CP2077...
- I will wait a bit longer for CP2077...
I guess we could blame the reviewers for giving 9 and 10s despite calling the game a buggy mess thought, review score are really more hype score these days.
