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Post by Sanunes on Jan 18, 2021 16:12:23 GMT
One good thing about the controversial Cyberpunk 2077 release I've noticed lately is a lot of people are looking back fondly on the Deus Ex games and wanting the sequel to Mankind Divided. Ah MD, a good game that was cut down for...almost no reason. Aside from Square's shity Launch marketing they tried to pull, which didn't help the game at all. I heard plenty of people boycotting the game because the developer used the word apartheid to describe it in the phrase mechanical apartheid. Since the internet got upset that this guy was using a word they determined was wrong to use, personally I give him credit for not backing down especially since definition of the word fit into what he was trying to say.
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Post by Pounce de León on Jan 18, 2021 16:48:24 GMT
Ah MD, a good game that was cut down for...almost no reason. Aside from Square's shity Launch marketing they tried to pull, which didn't help the game at all. I heard plenty of people boycotting the game because the developer used the word apartheid to describe it in the phrase mechanical apartheid. Since the internet got upset that this guy was using a word they determined was wrong to use, personally I give him credit for not backing down especially since definition of the word fit into what he was trying to say. I didn't buy MD because of the shitty boss fights in HR. Their shitty marketing which would require me to buy the game again to play the director's cut. And the stupid stuff marketing pulled for MD.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Jan 18, 2021 19:21:13 GMT
I heard plenty of people boycotting the game because the developer used the word apartheid to describe it in the phrase mechanical apartheid. Since the internet got upset that this guy was using a word they determined was wrong to use, personally I give him credit for not backing down especially since definition of the word fit into what he was trying to say. I didn't buy MD because of the shitty boss fights in HR. Their shitty marketing which would require me to buy the game again to play the director's cut. And the stupid stuff marketing pulled for MD. That's...actually exactly why I didn't buy MD either lol
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Post by therevanchist25 on Jan 18, 2021 19:28:05 GMT
As for the topic at hand, After CD's recent public statements, in response to Jason's article. I've now accepted that the game will actually never be what they implied it would be, because their convinced the game is perfect as is, bugs aside. I couldn't disagree more, regardless of how high quality their writing is. THey don't even mention the outlandishly god awful AI, which is so inexcusably bad it's almost worth 2 points off a review score by itself.
I wanted what they promised, a generation defining Life Simulator with a rags-to-riches story. Instead we got a story about Johnny Shoehorn, which isn't a bad story, but I feel that completely pointless star power cost far too much.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jan 18, 2021 19:50:29 GMT
As for the topic at hand, After CD's recent public statements, in response to Jason's article. I've now accepted that the game will actually never be what they implied it would be, because their convinced the game is perfect as is, bugs aside. I couldn't disagree more, regardless of how high quality their writing is. THey don't even mention the outlandishly god awful AI, which is so inexcusably bad it's almost worth 2 points off a review score by itself. I wanted what they promised, a generation defining Life Simulator with a rags-to-riches story. Instead we got a story about Johnny Shoehorn, which isn't a bad story, but I feel that completely pointless star power cost far too much. I’m not sure how much stock I’d put in that, but then I don’t know how much it would actually take to overhaul the underlying issues of the sandbox, the AI in particular. At some point, certain elements being redone could just require a complete reinstall of the game. Bungie did something similar with Destiny 2 when it was updated for Beyond Light, but that wouldn’t be so simple here, since there are so many more moving parts. I doubt very much that the public statement is exactly reflective of what the devs think of the final product to that end, so even if it’s not mentioned, they could actually be looking into it, but the complexity of how to go about fixing it might make determining a timetable kind of complicated. I suspect that’s one of those backburner issues to iron out after the stability is at least dealt with. Like, if I had to choose between improving the AI later and fixing the crashes and other assorted bugs now, I’d take the latter every time.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Jan 18, 2021 20:04:26 GMT
As for the topic at hand, After CD's recent public statements, in response to Jason's article. I've now accepted that the game will actually never be what they implied it would be, because their convinced the game is perfect as is, bugs aside. I couldn't disagree more, regardless of how high quality their writing is. THey don't even mention the outlandishly god awful AI, which is so inexcusably bad it's almost worth 2 points off a review score by itself. I wanted what they promised, a generation defining Life Simulator with a rags-to-riches story. Instead we got a story about Johnny Shoehorn, which isn't a bad story, but I feel that completely pointless star power cost far too much. I’m not sure how much stock I’d put in that, but then I don’t know how much it would actually take to overhaul the underlying issues of the sandbox, the AI in particular. At some point, certain elements being redone could just require a complete reinstall of the game. Bungie did something similar with Destiny 2 when it was updated for Beyond Light, but that wouldn’t be so simple here, since there are so many more moving parts. I doubt very much that the public statement is exactly reflective of what the devs think of the final product to that end, so even if it’s not mentioned, they could actually be looking into it, but the complexity of how to go about fixing it might make determining a timetable kind of complicated. I suspect that’s one of those backburner issues to iron out after the stability is at least dealt with. Like, if I had to choose between improving the AI later and fixing the crashes and other assorted bugs now, I’d take the latter every time. Of course, but the problem is, no one is even talking about the myriad of other problems the game has. Everyone is acting like the games a great 10/10 experience once the bugs are gone, and it's not. Not even close.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jan 18, 2021 20:33:18 GMT
I’m not sure how much stock I’d put in that, but then I don’t know how much it would actually take to overhaul the underlying issues of the sandbox, the AI in particular. At some point, certain elements being redone could just require a complete reinstall of the game. Bungie did something similar with Destiny 2 when it was updated for Beyond Light, but that wouldn’t be so simple here, since there are so many more moving parts. I doubt very much that the public statement is exactly reflective of what the devs think of the final product to that end, so even if it’s not mentioned, they could actually be looking into it, but the complexity of how to go about fixing it might make determining a timetable kind of complicated. I suspect that’s one of those backburner issues to iron out after the stability is at least dealt with. Like, if I had to choose between improving the AI later and fixing the crashes and other assorted bugs now, I’d take the latter every time. Of course, but the problem is, no one is even talking about the myriad of other problems the game has. Everyone is acting like the games a great 10/10 experience once the bugs are gone, and it's not. Not even close. No one publicly at CDPR, but I have no doubt they’re seeing the tons of feedback about it elsewhere. The assumption I’m working with is that they probably won’t bring it up unless they have a working solution for it. My suspicion is that this issue in particular might be complicated to the point where even if a fix is coming, it won’t be for a really long time.
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Post by Sanunes on Jan 18, 2021 20:34:27 GMT
I’m not sure how much stock I’d put in that, but then I don’t know how much it would actually take to overhaul the underlying issues of the sandbox, the AI in particular. At some point, certain elements being redone could just require a complete reinstall of the game. Bungie did something similar with Destiny 2 when it was updated for Beyond Light, but that wouldn’t be so simple here, since there are so many more moving parts. I doubt very much that the public statement is exactly reflective of what the devs think of the final product to that end, so even if it’s not mentioned, they could actually be looking into it, but the complexity of how to go about fixing it might make determining a timetable kind of complicated. I suspect that’s one of those backburner issues to iron out after the stability is at least dealt with. Like, if I had to choose between improving the AI later and fixing the crashes and other assorted bugs now, I’d take the latter every time. Of course, but the problem is, no one is even talking about the myriad of other problems the game has. Everyone is acting like the games a great 10/10 experience once the bugs are gone, and it's not. Not even close. I don't think people want to see the problems with the game. The only reason why the bugs are such a big deal is because they were hard to ignore. Just look at what happened when the reviewer mentioned that the game triggered a seizure. She didn't bash the game or make accusations it was just a PSA that the braindance sequence can trigger a seizure and what did the internet do? They flooded her with images that are designed to trigger seizures. Even the behavior of people defending the game, I have seen people go into threads and try to say that the problem isn't the game, but the person playing it for any number of reasons.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Jan 18, 2021 20:51:59 GMT
Of course, but the problem is, no one is even talking about the myriad of other problems the game has. Everyone is acting like the games a great 10/10 experience once the bugs are gone, and it's not. Not even close. I don't think people want to see the problems with the game. The only reason why the bugs are such a big deal is because they were hard to ignore. Just look at what happened when the reviewer mentioned that the game triggered a seizure. She didn't bash the game or make accusations it was just a PSA that the braindance sequence can trigger a seizure and what did the internet do? They flooded her with images that are designed to trigger seizures. Even the behavior of people defending the game, I have seen people go into threads and try to say that the problem isn't the game, but the person playing it for any number of reasons. You're absolutely correct. I'll never understand this type of behavior from people, over a fucking entertainment product. Or anything, really. "Bro the Cop AI is absolute dog shit" "Bullshit scrub, just go buy a 3080. Git Gud!"
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Post by danielhungary on Jan 18, 2021 21:06:27 GMT
Voted 60 ( 60-69 )
Positives : - music composers great work - voice actors great work - V - Johnny Silverhand - NPC characters and their backstory - some really good side quests - some enjoyable character builds and gameplay - many perks/skills - nice cars and motorcycles - endings
Negatives : - many underdeveloped content : - lack of content - terrible AI behaviour - terrible AI scripts - unbalanced skills - unbalanced loot - many gameplay bugs and glitches - many graphical glitches and bugs - many low resolution textures - some sound glitches and bugs - terrible overall performance
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Post by KaiserShep on Jan 18, 2021 22:52:09 GMT
Of course, but the problem is, no one is even talking about the myriad of other problems the game has. Everyone is acting like the games a great 10/10 experience once the bugs are gone, and it's not. Not even close. I don't think people want to see the problems with the game. The only reason why the bugs are such a big deal is because they were hard to ignore. Just look at what happened when the reviewer mentioned that the game triggered a seizure. She didn't bash the game or make accusations it was just a PSA that the braindance sequence can trigger a seizure and what did the internet do? They flooded her with images that are designed to trigger seizures. Even the behavior of people defending the game, I have seen people go into threads and try to say that the problem isn't the game, but the person playing it for any number of reasons. I think discourse over this has been bad all around. Reading YouTube comments about this is an exercise in masochism, but what else is new, I guess?
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Post by Sanunes on Jan 18, 2021 23:46:30 GMT
I don't think people want to see the problems with the game. The only reason why the bugs are such a big deal is because they were hard to ignore. Just look at what happened when the reviewer mentioned that the game triggered a seizure. She didn't bash the game or make accusations it was just a PSA that the braindance sequence can trigger a seizure and what did the internet do? They flooded her with images that are designed to trigger seizures. Even the behavior of people defending the game, I have seen people go into threads and try to say that the problem isn't the game, but the person playing it for any number of reasons. I think discourse over this has been bad all around. Reading YouTube comments about this is an exercise in masochism, but what else is new, I guess? I don't even want to think what the YouTube comments are like. Its hard enough to read through on places that moderate their comments. For the game itself I can only speak for my personal experience and glad that I decided to pass getting the game near release after my experience with the launch version of The Witcher 3.
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Post by biggydx on Jan 19, 2021 2:05:46 GMT
The current issue I see is the sheer time investment they'll need just to get the last-gen, base console performance up to snuff. Even if they're able to patch out a majority of the technical bug issues, I don't know how they're going to optimize the game enough to keep it playing at 25-30fps. There are a large number of elements in the game environment, many of which have their own physics, which is computationally taxing for last-gen hardware. Looking at that timeline, I don't think even someone like me, a next-gen console owner, can expect an upgrade till Q3 of this year (at the earliest).
That's why I brought up both the prospects of the game even getting a multiplayer mode at this point (which I honestly don't care about), as well as how long the devs intend to continue working on the game. They're going to have to get another game in production at some point. Beyond that, I don't know how fundamentally they can rewire a lot of the AI elements and interactivity within the world itself.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Jan 19, 2021 7:56:21 GMT
Of course, but the problem is, no one is even talking about the myriad of other problems the game has. Everyone is acting like the games a great 10/10 experience once the bugs are gone, and it's not. Not even close. No one publicly at CDPR, but I have no doubt they’re seeing the tons of feedback about it elsewhere. The assumption I’m working with is that they probably won’t bring it up unless they have a working solution for it. My suspicion is that this issue in particular might be complicated to the point where even if a fix is coming, it won’t be for a really long time. THe dude straight up said "We're proud of the PC version of the game." that implies they think bugs and performance is the only issue. Really CD, your proud of your laughably pathetic Wanted system? Your proud of your horse shit civilian AI that just ducks down and freezes when anything happens? Your proud of the fact that not a single NPC, in the entire game, rides a fucking motorcycle, despite the game trying to sell you several of them? Your proud of the fact that I cannot even get a fucking haircut, or change my hair color? bare bones basic shit you did in your LAST game? Your proud that Pacifica has like, one quest, in the entire game? Your proud that there is an entire absent Skill Tree in the menu? If the PC version is something their proud of, then no, this game will never reach what they promised, or even come close to sniffing it's incredible potential, DLC be damned. The free dlc is going to be the same basic ass cosmetic shit Witcher 3 did. worthless cosmetic items. Their paid for DLC will likely only add big side quests that you do during the game, and little else. Next Generation experience my ass. This game is so fucking fake, it makes me cry
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Post by KaiserShep on Jan 19, 2021 8:09:55 GMT
No one publicly at CDPR, but I have no doubt they’re seeing the tons of feedback about it elsewhere. The assumption I’m working with is that they probably won’t bring it up unless they have a working solution for it. My suspicion is that this issue in particular might be complicated to the point where even if a fix is coming, it won’t be for a really long time. THe dude straight up said "We're proud of the PC version of the game." that implies they think bugs and performance is the only issue. Really CD, your proud of your laughably pathetic Wanted system? Your proud of your horse shit civilian AI that just ducks down and freezes when anything happens? Your proud of the fact that not a single NPC, in the entire game, rides a fucking motorcycle, despite the game trying to sell you several of them? Your proud of the fact that I cannot even get a fucking haircut, or change my hair color? bare bones basic shit you did in your LAST game? Your proud that Pacifica has like, one quest, in the entire game? Your proud that there is an entire absent Skill Tree in the menu? If the PC version is something their proud of, then no, this game will never reach what they promised, or even come close to sniffing it's incredible potential, DLC be damned. The free dlc is going to be the same basic ass cosmetic shit Witcher 3 did. worthless cosmetic items. Their paid for DLC will likely only add big side quests that you do during the game, and little else. Next Generation experience my ass. I know what he said; I just don’t believe that it’s truly reflective of what’s going on internally. It jiggers the imagination that they’d bother to make any kind of statement at all, but this strikes me as the sort of thing clueless upper management types would come up with, trying to save face at all costs, meanwhile they’d probably just turn around and totally undermine it with actual updates, provided it’s actually technically possible to do so. This may lend more to the idea that there’s some features or changes that might actually be impossible to implement, but I guess we’ll just have to wait and see what the updates entail.
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Post by saandrig on Jan 19, 2021 8:17:37 GMT
It’s always interesting to see the random comments saying how they did *everything* in the game in double digit hours. Heh, the polygraph’s needle went wild. My PT with literally "everything done" is around 65 hours. Almost no dialogue skip. Was stealthy only when specifically requested. Looted everything I could find in an area. It depends on your playstyle. Arasaka's warehouse quest can be done in less than 2 minutes or it can take someone more than an hour. If you try to sneak a lot, it can take a quest 10x longer to finish than the direct assault option.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Jan 19, 2021 8:18:12 GMT
THe dude straight up said "We're proud of the PC version of the game." that implies they think bugs and performance is the only issue. Really CD, your proud of your laughably pathetic Wanted system? Your proud of your horse shit civilian AI that just ducks down and freezes when anything happens? Your proud of the fact that not a single NPC, in the entire game, rides a fucking motorcycle, despite the game trying to sell you several of them? Your proud of the fact that I cannot even get a fucking haircut, or change my hair color? bare bones basic shit you did in your LAST game? Your proud that Pacifica has like, one quest, in the entire game? Your proud that there is an entire absent Skill Tree in the menu? If the PC version is something their proud of, then no, this game will never reach what they promised, or even come close to sniffing it's incredible potential, DLC be damned. The free dlc is going to be the same basic ass cosmetic shit Witcher 3 did. worthless cosmetic items. Their paid for DLC will likely only add big side quests that you do during the game, and little else. Next Generation experience my ass. I know what he said; I just don’t believe that it’s truly reflective of what’s going on internally. It jiggers the imagination that they’d bother to make any kind of statement at all, but this strikes me as the sort of thing clueless upper management types would come up with, trying to save face at all costs, meanwhile they’d probably just turn around and totally undermine it with actual updates, provided it’s actually technically possible to do so. This may lend more to the idea that there’s some features or changes that might actually be impossible to implement, but I guess we’ll just have to wait and see what the updates entail. As bad as NMS was at launch, I'll give Sean credit. He didn't keep shoveling. They just took their lumps and went zero dark thirty. Sometimes, that's just the best approach to take.
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