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Post by SirSourpuss on Mar 13, 2021 19:52:46 GMT
That's a great story, but ultimately you're just asking me to believe you on your word. I don't do that, especially not since you're incredibly annoying, overly pessimistic and incredibly dramatic. It is your right. I Also, I honestly don't believe you're talking to industry insiders on your secret discord channels in a foreing language we supposedly wouldn't understand. You're digging quite the hole for yourself here, I'd lay down the shovel. I ... I don't speak to these people in my native language. I use to work for a publication in my native language. Don't conflate things. Please. I would appreciate it. Whose expectations? Who's expecting any developer to pump out 9/10 or 10/10 games all the time? It's you, isn't it? Just like you are 'the public', who you've conveniently made yourself the spokesperson of. Brilliant stuff once again. You're right. Nobody expects Bioware to pump out 9/10 and 10/10 games. More like 6-7/10. So who's going to buy them? Bioware needs a hit, to prove everyone wrong, that's why they need to pump out a 9/10. Who wants to buy another Anthem for $60 $70? I don't think you have any clue what the average gamer is like. Because the average gamer hardly ever finishes a game (every Steam statistic, and Xbox/Playstation achievement statistic backs this up), they aren't on forums shouting their opinion at everyone. They just play games in the little spare time they have. Great. So who is buying these games? Who is going to buy the 5-6 million copies of a Bioware game EA projects, at launch? Is it the gamer that doesn't care about Bioware and is only aware of them from Andromeda and Anthem making headlines about being shit? Surely they're pilling up to buy them at $70 a pop. Listen to yourself a little. People on forums, like you and me, who talk about games long after they're released are a minority of gamers. These companies don't make games for us. A tough thing to realize probably, but that's just how it is. We are not where they make their money. Yes, we are. We are the ones that buy the overpriced merchandise, we are the ones that keep the interest alive between releases, the conversation going. We are the ones that drive the long term sales. We are the ones that bring the games to the normies attention, more than any "DA2 isn't as bad a game, 10 years after the fact" article. I am thrilled for you. 'censor' the butt, haha. Here you are again, pretending you've already played the game and all your worst fears have come true. From what I've understood, they're just going to change the angle so her ass isn't the focal point in a very serious, kinda dramatic scene. Which was always ridiculous. I disagree. It show where Bioware has their priorities. If Bioware were ever to make any change, at all, to the trilogy, more than anything else, the biggest, most important change should have been the endings that burnt the setting. Would it cost more than a camera angle? Yes. It would also go a long way to give ME a future. It is imperative for the well being of the franchise. If you have the ability to re-release the games, this is your golden "get out of jail free" card. And Bioware just went "nah". You don't have to root for anything. You shouldn't ever root for a company, any company whatsoever, no matter how many good things they've given you. They only care about your wallet. I can guarantee you, Bioware actively hates my wallet. Otherwise, they would not be doing the things they are. That's OK. I'll keep that money in my savings account. And the endings weren't that bad. They're top 3 in every worst endings list. Only losing to Lost and/or Dexter. Oh, I forgot. GoT happened. Top 4 now. Ah, shit, there's Rey Skywalker as well. Top 5. Shit keeps pilling up the past two years. There you go again, casually making up 'facts' to weave a narative that fits your predetermined conclusion. www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2020/05/20/star-wars-box-office-disney-jj-abrams-profits-fox-george-lucas/?sh=7c8435376276Disney made a boatload of money on their Star Wars movies. I quote: "The Disney Star Wars trilogy earned $4.475 billion on a combined budget of around $720 million while the Prequel Star Wars trilogy earned (not counting reissues) $2.437 billion on a combined $345 million budget." Angry fans aren't a good representation of the larger public. They're just angry and loud. As for that whole 'we the fans own the product': no we don't. You also forgot to point out that Solo lost money, reportedly ~$150m, the rights cost 4 billion, they spent another 2 billion on the parks and out of that global box office revenue, Disney makes backs 2/3 of the domestic and 1/3 of the international one. So effectively, Disney only made roughly 50% of that in net revenue. Also, The Mandalorian costs an average of ~$10m per episode. And I doubt that's made its money back in full, let alone made Disney a profit. You also have to account that, for each new Star Wars Sequel Trilogy film, Disney had less return, per episode, with Episode 9 making less money than Rogue One, or Joker. And Joker isn't even part of the MCU, which is currently the biggest movie franchise in the west, but rather part of the DCU, which was not exactly in good shape and still isn't, after movies like Batman vs Superman, Joss Whedon's Justice League and the Suicide Squad. Not to mention the "incel uprising" threats the media sprung up to keep people from going to see it. You might also notice how, out of all the Star Wars shows Disney announced during D12, not a single one featured Sequel Trilogy characters, or was set at any point beyond them. They're all OT sequels. And just to make another point, Avengers: Age of Ultron made only $100m less than its predecessor in the box office, yet Disney considered it a failure. Are you going to tell me that Episode 8 making ~$600m less than Episode 7 was considered a success? For Disney? Financially? I don't think so. I don't think the numbers back you up. Also,here's a breakdown of Disney's revenue all the way to the launch of Solo.
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Post by SofaJockey on Mar 13, 2021 20:05:04 GMT
I would like to hear your thougths on this. I think you're dead wrong (selectively) because there have been awesome games since ME3 (though BioWare hasn't bettered it). I'd make a long list but this post is too small to contain it...
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Post by AnDromedary on Mar 13, 2021 20:23:42 GMT
So this thread is about the OP reveling in any bad news and public criticisms about the studio that made some of their favorite games? That's just sad. If there is ever a way back, from where Bioware is, how is it ever not going to be accomplished by, at least, some criticism? We can all just dig our heads in the ground and shut off any complaints, but the truth is that trust in Bioware is low and the only interest it generates, is through one controversy, after the other. And I am sure, I am 100% sure you can find a discord or a twitter group or a ResetEra thread that is nothing but 100% praise and positivity for Bioware's future like it's sunshine and roses, but that's simply not the reality of the matter. If Android Wilson has to go up to investors and call Bioware's recent games "blips", when before he gave them nothing but praise, you can understand that the gig is up. Because there is zero chance Wilson would ever say a bad thing about any of EA's studios and brands to investors, unless he couldn't put a spin on it. There is a very obvious difference between criticism and just delighting in bad news about BioWare. Look through my posts on here over the years. I have been criticizing BW in general and ME in particular a lot. I still think a thread like this is kinda sad.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Mar 13, 2021 20:33:34 GMT
There is a difference between criticism and just delighting in bad news about BioWare. Look through my posts on here over the years. I have been criticizing BW in general and ME in particular a lot. I still think a thread like this is kinda sad. I understand the sentiment. But honestly, this is something that a lot of us have predicted since the endings controversy. Bioware's mistreatment of the fanbase, some of it, at least, was bound to create some dissent and drop in revenue. What we also couldn't know, was how deep the management problems at Bioware ran. There is a vindication in being proven right, but it is about as satisfying as saying Earth will be hit by a meteor that will wipe out all life on the planet. You hate to see it. We could only have warned. If the worst comes to pass, let no one say we hadn't.
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Post by ahglock on Mar 13, 2021 20:52:03 GMT
"They changed the butt shots but not the endings" Yes, because changing the endings of ME3 would've required remaking that entire section of the game. That is a lot more complicated (and costly) then changing the camera angle of a few scenes. Depends on how they change it. They could just cut the whole star kid crap out, he goes up elevator red beam of pure awesome fires, narrate the ending. Heck make it only kill reapers, let other AI survive for the geth fans, it was never explained by the star kid so its a new thing. This would cost about the same as changing a camera angle.
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If there is ever a way back, from where Bioware is, how is it ever not going to be accomplished by, at least, some criticism? We can all just dig our heads in the ground and shut off any complaints, but the truth is that trust in Bioware is low and the only interest it generates, is through one controversy, after the other. And I am sure, I am 100% sure you can find a discord or a twitter group or a ResetEra thread that is nothing but 100% praise and positivity for Bioware's future like it's sunshine and roses, but that's simply not the reality of the matter. If Android Wilson has to go up to investors and call Bioware's recent games "blips", when before he gave them nothing but praise, you can understand that the gig is up. Because there is zero chance Wilson would ever say a bad thing about any of EA's studios and brands to investors, unless he couldn't put a spin on it. There is a very obvious difference between criticism and just delighting in bad news about BioWare. Look through my posts on here over the years. I have been criticizing BW in general and ME in particular a lot. I still think a thread like this is kinda sad. It's not delightment per se. It's like an air crash investigation. The how's and why's the game industry in general and Bioware in particular devolved this way. I still play ME3MP to this day, and sure is one of my favorite games. If you feel it's a good game and you are satisfied with it, more power to you. Personally, I do believe if they did ME3 justice, nowadays we would be seeing a Mass Effect World of sorts, with an estabilished expanded universe, games made by other developers, comics, books movies etc. But they went with "artistic integrity" and (in my opinion) failed miserably. Had to realocate the story to another freaking galaxy, and failed again. Because of ME3, its rushed development and bad writing, we went nowhere in the past nine years. And it will be probably 15 freaking years of wait to see if we will have a good game, capable to launch this franchise to the stars, or again to stay on the fringes of some gamers radar. Look at Halo. Now, I know the obvious differences between the stories and its scope, (and the fact that it is a six years older franchise exclusive for xbox) but I feel ME had at least the potential to produce as much multiplatform content as it. The way things are, I think The Mass Effect Franchise will not have the critical mass (no pun intended) to become self-sustaining.
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Post by river82 on Mar 14, 2021 1:58:52 GMT
My thoughts ... I still really like ME3
What I think of Mass Effect Andromeda is more complicated. Bioware didn't handle open world imo. I know people say that every game has fetch quests, but when I have to explore horrible annoying terrain to find 7 *insert name of tokens someone is looking for here* that's quite the bad form of fetch questing. And it was annoying as heck.
I did like the combat.
I did not like the characters but that's a preference thing.
I dunno if I would play it again. I'm not angry or anything about the game, I just found it tedious and dull I guess *shrugs*. But I didn't like how they did open world in ME:A and I didn't like it in DA:I so if they continue down this path it means I'll be nervous.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Mar 14, 2021 20:39:19 GMT
My thoughts are that it's ridiculously childish and petty to still be crying over ME3 8 fucking years later, that viewing Hudson's departure and Anthem's failure as some sort of deserved "punishment" is straight-up lunacy, and deriving vindictive pleasure from it is just psychotic.
I think a franchise that is willing to take creative chances and moving forward is the one that will last in the long run. Not just the same old continuity porn nostalgia pandering cash grab trash.
I think that Star Trek is doing that regardless of people think of Discovery, Picard, and Lower Decks (2 out 3 are great shows for me while Lower Decks isn't for me) but they are taking chances and showing what you can do with an almost 60 year old franchise, and they also seem to be listening to constructive criticisms for their shows and are still telling the stories that they need, want, and feel like telling. I'm looking forward to Strange New Worlds and Prodigy while I could care less about all the Star Wars TV shows.
There are always fans that will hate the new because it's new and not their version of this or that franchise and don't want new fans to come in for some stupid reasons.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Mar 14, 2021 21:48:36 GMT
My thoughts are that it's ridiculously childish and petty to still be crying over ME3 8 fucking years later, that viewing Hudson's departure and Anthem's failure as some sort of deserved "punishment" is straight-up lunacy, and deriving vindictive pleasure from it is just psychotic.
I think a franchise that is willing to take creative chances and moving forward is the one that will last in the long run. Not just the same old continuity porn nostalgia pandering cash grab trash.
I think that Star Trek is doing that regardless of people think of Discovery, Picard, and Lower Decks (2 out 3 are great shows for me while Lower Decks isn't for me) but they are taking chances and showing what you can do with an almost 60 year old franchise, and they also seem to be listening to constructive criticisms for their shows and are still telling the stories that they need, want, and feel like telling. I'm looking forward to Strange New Worlds and Prodigy while I could care less about all the Star Wars TV shows.
There are always fans that will hate the new because it's new and not their version of this or that franchise and don't want new fans to come in for some stupid reasons.
I don't think the goal should be to make a franchise that 'lasts'. It should be to tell a good story and then let it end. Congrats to Gene Roddenberry for having a good idea in the Sixties, but what about everyone living now who has an idea? As much as I enjoyed 'Picard', (the only 'Star Trek' anything I ever gave a shit about), I'd still rather see actually new ideas and new stories be allowed to stand up on their own for once, instead of only getting made because they can be folded into pre-existing franchises to milk the brand loyalty of people who have love of Star Trek where a personality should be.
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 14, 2021 23:08:03 GMT
But if there's a problem it's a problem with the audience, isn't it? It's not like making more Trek is preventing anyone from pitching new SF shows.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Mar 14, 2021 23:33:18 GMT
But if there's a problem it's a problem with the audience, isn't it? It's not like making more Trek is preventing anyone from pitching new SF shows. You know, in the time since the 90s, we had Babylon 5, Farscape, Andromeda, Stargate, multiple series of it, in fact, Battlestar Gallactica, Cleopatra 2525 (Gina Torres ftw) and Firefly (more Gina Torres). Even Andromeda with Kevin Sorbo had some good seasons and Cleopatra 2525 had ... Gina Torres. So it wasn't like space adventures were lacking. But over the past decade, everything has been very ...grounded. With the exception of The Expanse, has there been any other notable space show over the past decade that wasn't STD? It's not for the lack of trying, but either execs don't think they can sell these shows, or are too expensive to make.
Let's not bring up Vagrant Queen. The comic book sucked and I doubt I've read a single good issue written by Mags Visaggio, so it's no doubt the syfy series went nowhere. I hear it got canceled not even half way into its first and only season.
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Post by river82 on Mar 15, 2021 2:45:43 GMT
But if there's a problem it's a problem with the audience, isn't it? It's not like making more Trek is preventing anyone from pitching new SF shows. You know, in the time since the 90s, we had Babylon 5, Farscape, Andromeda, Stargate, multiple series of it, in fact, Battlestar Gallactica, Cleopatra 2525 (Gina Torres ftw) and Firefly (more Gina Torres). Even Andromeda with Kevin Sorbo had some good seasons and Cleopatra 2525 had ... Gina Torres. So it wasn't like space adventures were lacking. But over the past decade, everything has been very ...grounded. With the exception of The Expanse, has there been any other notable space show over the past decade that wasn't STD? It's not for the lack of trying, but either execs don't think they can sell these shows, or are too expensive to make.
Let's not bring up Vagrant Queen. The comic book sucked and I doubt I've read a single good issue written by Mags Visaggio, so it's no doubt the syfy series went nowhere. I hear it got canceled not even half way into its first and only season.
Yeah, I feel like recent sci fi shows ... there's been a fear of technology in recent years that's kinda made recent shows more about that. Clones, the danger of AI etc etc. In the 90s we were still incredibly optomistic and gazing wondrously at the possibilities, twenty years later it's like "they're gonna take our jobs then kill us all" or something Expanse is so good
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Post by ahglock on Mar 15, 2021 14:36:24 GMT
But if there's a problem it's a problem with the audience, isn't it? It's not like making more Trek is preventing anyone from pitching new SF shows. You know, in the time since the 90s, we had Babylon 5, Farscape, Andromeda, Stargate, multiple series of it, in fact, Battlestar Gallactica, Cleopatra 2525 (Gina Torres ftw) and Firefly (more Gina Torres). Even Andromeda with Kevin Sorbo had some good seasons and Cleopatra 2525 had ... Gina Torres. So it wasn't like space adventures were lacking. But over the past decade, everything has been very ...grounded. With the exception of The Expanse, has there been any other notable space show over the past decade that wasn't STD? It's not for the lack of trying, but either execs don't think they can sell these shows, or are too expensive to make.
Let's not bring up Vagrant Queen. The comic book sucked and I doubt I've read a single good issue written by Mags Visaggio, so it's no doubt the syfy series went nowhere. I hear it got canceled not even half way into its first and only season.
I'm mainly agreeing with this for the gina torres point.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2021 15:00:26 GMT
You know, in the time since the 90s, we had Babylon 5, Farscape, Andromeda, Stargate, multiple series of it, in fact, Battlestar Gallactica, Cleopatra 2525 (Gina Torres ftw) and Firefly (more Gina Torres). Even Andromeda with Kevin Sorbo had some good seasons and Cleopatra 2525 had ... Gina Torres. So it wasn't like space adventures were lacking. But over the past decade, everything has been very ...grounded. With the exception of The Expanse, has there been any other notable space show over the past decade that wasn't STD? It's not for the lack of trying, but either execs don't think they can sell these shows, or are too expensive to make.
Let's not bring up Vagrant Queen. The comic book sucked and I doubt I've read a single good issue written by Mags Visaggio, so it's no doubt the syfy series went nowhere. I hear it got canceled not even half way into its first and only season.
I'm mainly agreeing with this for the gina torres point. We had another series. We had Mass Effect. Where is the Netflix series?
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Post by therevanchist25 on Mar 15, 2021 15:36:53 GMT
Before ME3, I had several Casual Gamer buddies play ME1 and 2. They told me "wow dude, this universe is incredible. If they develop this right this could one day enter the same conversation with Star Trek or Star Wars. Movies about this would be awesome, or even a weekly TV show."
Even those guys, who ere Casuals and didn't really care that much, saw the potential this franchise had. The potential that ME3 nuked from orbit. almost 10 years later and this franchise has accomplished almost nothing since then. I would say their probably better off just starting a new IP but...they just tried that, and failed on a level so massive that it's almost comical. I can't help but feel like it does not matter anymore. They can't seem to get anything right since DAI.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Mar 15, 2021 16:10:17 GMT
Before ME3, I had several Casual Gamer buddies play ME1 and 2. They told me "wow dude, this universe is incredible. If they develop this right this could one day enter the same conversation with Star Trek or Star Wars. Movies about this would be awesome, or even a weekly TV show." A lot of people thought that. I, too, thought that. ME was something seriously scarce in the medium and even more scarce was its competent execution. Not only in video games. Star Wars gave birth to a slew of space movies, like Battle Beyond the Stars and Star Crash, even the source material for James Vega, Space Mutiny, all very unsuccessful. Even Mass Effect spawned off of KotoR. Playing KotoR and then ME1, back to back, you will feel the similarities between the games, at least early on, even as ME1 is a real time shooter. Even those guys, who ere Casuals and didn't really care that much, saw the potential this franchise had. The potential that ME3 nuked from orbit. almost 10 years later and this franchise has accomplished almost nothing since then. I would say their probably better off just starting a new IP but...they just tried that, and failed on a level so massive that it's almost comical. I can't help but feel like it does not matter anymore. They can't seem to get anything right since DAI. Unfortunately, Bioware doesn't seem to have moved at all from 2012. I wouldn't exactly call DA:I getting it right, either, but it was well received.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Mar 15, 2021 16:39:17 GMT
Before ME3, I had several Casual Gamer buddies play ME1 and 2. They told me "wow dude, this universe is incredible. If they develop this right this could one day enter the same conversation with Star Trek or Star Wars. Movies about this would be awesome, or even a weekly TV show." A lot of people thought that. I, too, thought that. ME was something seriously scarce in the medium and even more scarce was its competent execution. Not only in video games. Star Wars gave birth to a slew of space movies, like Battle Beyond the Stars and Star Crash, even the source material for James Vega, Space Mutiny, all very unsuccessful. Even Mass Effect spawned off of KotoR. Playing KotoR and then ME1, back to back, you will feel the similarities between the games, at least early on, even as ME1 is a real time shooter. Even those guys, who ere Casuals and didn't really care that much, saw the potential this franchise had. The potential that ME3 nuked from orbit. almost 10 years later and this franchise has accomplished almost nothing since then. I would say their probably better off just starting a new IP but...they just tried that, and failed on a level so massive that it's almost comical. I can't help but feel like it does not matter anymore. They can't seem to get anything right since DAI. Unfortunately, Bioware doesn't seem to have moved at all from 2012. I wouldn't exactly call DA:I getting it right, either, but it was well received. DAI did a lot of things wrong, but it got enough right to be successful and somewhat enjoyable. That's really all a reasonable fan can hope for at this point. Meanwhile ME5's teaser promised the sequel a lot of people have been asking for, for 10 years. Any rational fan whos paid attention for the past 10 years will quickly realize it's going to be more of the same. An abomination of OT and Andromeda in a poor attempt to try and please everybody, which will fail. Rather than just focusing on making a solid product that we as a collective fanbase can just move forward with.
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Post by ahglock on Mar 15, 2021 16:46:14 GMT
Before ME3, I had several Casual Gamer buddies play ME1 and 2. They told me "wow dude, this universe is incredible. If they develop this right this could one day enter the same conversation with Star Trek or Star Wars. Movies about this would be awesome, or even a weekly TV show." Even those guys, who ere Casuals and didn't really care that much, saw the potential this franchise had. The potential that ME3 nuked from orbit. almost 10 years later and this franchise has accomplished almost nothing since then. I would say their probably better off just starting a new IP but...they just tried that, and failed on a level so massive that it's almost comical. I can't help but feel like it does not matter anymore. They can't seem to get anything right since DAI. It is one of the things that made the end so phenomenally stupid. Even if you wanted to stop making games for it, there was so much other potential media they just tanked. It is one of the reasons I never thought EA had much over sight over their games. EA doesn't want you to perma end a franchise, which was the clear intent of the ME3 ending. Even a non successful franchise they don't want the story to firmly end it, as they may decide to revive it down the line. EA may have limited the games scope with unrealistic deadlines for a RPG, but its bioware well 2 people at bioware reportedly who destroyed the setting.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Mar 15, 2021 17:21:44 GMT
Meanwhile ME5's teaser promised the sequel a lot of people have been asking for, for 10 years. Any rational fan whos paid attention for the past 10 years will quickly realize it's going to be more of the same. An abomination of OT and Andromeda in a poor attempt to try and please everybody, which will fail. Rather than just focusing on making a solid product that we as a collective fanbase can just move forward with. I'm really curious to see how they think they're going to "fix" the Milky Way and bridge it with Andromeda. Like, are they really going to go the "it happened in the past, so lost in legend" approach, which ... whatever. I don't want to go down that conversation again. It's just not the game I am interested in playing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2021 17:47:14 GMT
Meanwhile ME5's teaser promised the sequel a lot of people have been asking for, for 10 years. Any rational fan whos paid attention for the past 10 years will quickly realize it's going to be more of the same. An abomination of OT and Andromeda in a poor attempt to try and please everybody, which will fail. Rather than just focusing on making a solid product that we as a collective fanbase can just move forward with. I'm really curious to see how they think they're going to "fix" the Milky Way and bridge it with Andromeda. Like, are they really going to go the "it happened in the past, so lost in legend" approach, which ... whatever. I don't want to go down that conversation again. It's just not the game I am interested in playing. From my perspective, MELE would be a good point to restart the franchise. Blow up the relays, destroy the Reapers. Galactic dark age. The Leviathans are the big bad now. Its incredible how much you could do with this starting point. Imagine reestabilishing the technology, scavenging the citadel, starting on Sol and making our way outside.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2021 17:51:18 GMT
Before ME3, I had several Casual Gamer buddies play ME1 and 2. They told me "wow dude, this universe is incredible. If they develop this right this could one day enter the same conversation with Star Trek or Star Wars. Movies about this would be awesome, or even a weekly TV show." Even those guys, who ere Casuals and didn't really care that much, saw the potential this franchise had. The potential that ME3 nuked from orbit. almost 10 years later and this franchise has accomplished almost nothing since then. I would say their probably better off just starting a new IP but...they just tried that, and failed on a level so massive that it's almost comical. I can't help but feel like it does not matter anymore. They can't seem to get anything right since DAI. Dude, I couldn't shut up about ME, even my wife, who's not a gamer at all, sit down one time to see me playing it to discover what was all that about. After ME3 what I can say about ME? Just that it was a good series with a controversial ending to say the least, and a premature one in my opinion. Related to the topic. Did anyone read Mac Walters' ME comic books? Man they are bad. Fan fiction bad.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Mar 15, 2021 18:07:29 GMT
Before ME3, I had several Casual Gamer buddies play ME1 and 2. They told me "wow dude, this universe is incredible. If they develop this right this could one day enter the same conversation with Star Trek or Star Wars. Movies about this would be awesome, or even a weekly TV show." Even those guys, who ere Casuals and didn't really care that much, saw the potential this franchise had. The potential that ME3 nuked from orbit. almost 10 years later and this franchise has accomplished almost nothing since then. I would say their probably better off just starting a new IP but...they just tried that, and failed on a level so massive that it's almost comical. I can't help but feel like it does not matter anymore. They can't seem to get anything right since DAI. Dude, I couldn't shut up about ME, even my wife, who's not a gamer at all, sit down one time to see me playing it to discover what was all that about. After ME3 what I can say about ME? Just that it was a good series with a controversial ending to say the least, and a premature one in my opinion. Related to the topic. Did anyone read Mac Walters' ME comic books? Man they are bad. Fam fiction bad. Exactly the same. I was truly, a fanatic. It was my whole world. I blew over $1000 just on extra merchandise, because I wanted the world to know "Yo, ME is dope, check it out, for the love of God!" I wanted everyone to come to know and love this beautiful thing just as I did. I played the games non stop, over and over in my free time. My mother, who knows nothing about video games at all. Heard the name "Shepard" so often from the TV that to this day, when I pull my Armor Hoodie out to wear, or my N7 t shirt or something she says "Oh, your wearing your Shepard stuff today!" Now? It's just a thing that happened, a long time ago. That I have constant, daily reminders of that I wear, and have hanging on the wall...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2021 18:23:15 GMT
Dude, I couldn't shut up about ME, even my wife, who's not a gamer at all, sit down one time to see me playing it to discover what was all that about. After ME3 what I can say about ME? Just that it was a good series with a controversial ending to say the least, and a premature one in my opinion. Related to the topic. Did anyone read Mac Walters' ME comic books? Man they are bad. Fam fiction bad. Exactly the same. I was truly, a fanatic. It was my whole world. I blew over $1000 just on extra merchandise, because I wanted the world to know "Yo, ME is dope, check it out, for the love of God!" I wanted everyone to come to know and love this beautiful thing just as I did. I played the games non stop, over and over in my free time. My mother, who knows nothing about video games at all. Heard the name "Shepard" so often from the TV that to this day, when I pull my Armor Hoodie out to wear, or my N7 t shirt or something she says "Oh, your wearing your Shepard stuff today!" Now? It's just a thing that happened, a long time ago. That I have constant, daily reminders of that I wear, and have hanging on the wall... I didnt buy any merchandise for ME, just for the fact that I live in Brazil and didnt have much money back then. But ME3 was the only game I preordered, giving away my hard earned money and giving myself one week of vacation just to experience it. My feelings in 2012, right after I finished it, was just...betrayal. I felt betrayed. Got into a mild depression and obsessed over ME3 endings for months, until the Extended Cut got out. After it I felt...empty. It didnt adressed that they essentialy nuked the franchise, turning it impossible to easily tell any new stories for it. And oh, there was so much to tell. I devised at least five games arising from Mass Effect, RTS, MMORPGs, lower scope stories, tales from Palaven, Sur'Kesh, Thessia. Hell even the Reaper War told from a front line soldier perspective. There was so much potential, thrown asunder by incompetent writers with miopic view of the bigger picture. Alas... I would really like to buy a Normandy, and entered online stores many times to do it. Every time, I remembered what happeded in 2012 and said to myself "why bother?"
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 15, 2021 18:30:51 GMT
I'm really curious to see how they think they're going to "fix" the Milky Way and bridge it with Andromeda. Like, are they really going to go the "it happened in the past, so lost in legend" approach, which ... whatever. I don't want to go down that conversation again. It's just not the game I am interested in playing. From my perspective, MELE would be a good point to restart the franchise. Blow up the relays, destroy the Reapers. Galactic dark age. The Leviathans are the big bad now. Its incredible how much you could do with this starting point. Imagine reestabilishing the technology, scavenging the citadel, starting on Sol and making our way outside. Thankfully Bioware isn't doing this, because this sounds terrible.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2021 18:37:50 GMT
From my perspective, MELE would be a good point to restart the franchise. Blow up the relays, destroy the Reapers. Galactic dark age. The Leviathans are the big bad now. Its incredible how much you could do with this starting point. Imagine reestabilishing the technology, scavenging the citadel, starting on Sol and making our way outside. Thankfully Bioware isn't doing this, because this sounds terrible. Do we have any official confirmation what ME5 will be about?
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