The Mass Effect ending support group

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This isn't how philosophy works. Questions are asked because a truth table said X was a possible outcome. You also changed his tense, which works great for your argument and also isn't at all what was said.

Never said it was philosophy. It was an inquiry not a philosophical musing.

Hi guys, 

I just got here. This is a lot of pages to read. So I'm just going to post. I'm back. You guys might remember me from the old BSN boards. Maybe you do. Maybe you don't. I remember some of your names. It's been... what... 7 years? 

Anyway, I bought the Legendary Edition. I haven't played the game in a while so this is my first run through since 2013. I mean up until then I'd played ME1 and 2 16 times to get those 16 wildly different endings we were promised. I cured the genophage. I let the Geth die because it wasn't really Legion and I couldn't trust it. Upload reaper code, code of the things we were fighting into the Geth? Insane. I still remember that first beam run on March 22, 2012. I remember getting wasted by Marauder Shields more than a couple of times. Then I talked to The Illusive Man. He committed suicide. I thought it was done. I thought Shepard died on the platform. Then that abomination. Of course I picked Destroy. I had 5500 EMS. And still i blew up the galaxy at 3:20 a.m. Did all that really happen? Yes, but some of the details were lost with time. It all happened so very long ago. 

God I hated the ending. The EC was the same ending with sprinkles. So now with no MP, what's the threshold for the breath scene? Or maybe I should just go for the Low EMS destroy and blow up the galaxy as a big middle finger.

I still kind of look at the whole thing on the Citadel as indoctrination theory. That theory had weight. How did Anderson get up on the Citadel? How did The Illusive Man get there? Bah. 

No their existence fuels the entire trilogy. Their motivations were completely unknown and made out to be unknowable. "From a realm so far beyond our existence we cannot even imagine it." lol what a joke that line is now. I never even thought about their motivations until some arbitrary galaxy-shaping decision was dumped in my lap in the 140th hour of a 141 hours long playthrough. The goal was just stopping them, that was the fuel.


You always try to make out the Geth to be the aggressive race in that war. If you know the codex then you'd know that the entire collection of Geth you fight in ME1 are heretic Geth (So that "skynet" are actually Reaper minions). Mass Effect 2 and 3 we're further shown that the Quarians are the aggressors in the war. While talking to Legion on board the Normandy and his loyalty mission in ME2, as well as the Geth Server mission in ME3, show us a completely different side of the war

As for the heretics, Legion believed them to be alien because they have different coding. I always interpreted that to mean that they are still Geth, as you or I are still human, but if you liked dogs and I liked cats, then we become alien from each other because we're fundamentally different from each other in some way. While we humans understand and accept this almost subconsciously, to the Geth (especially before they built the Dyson Sphere) that would be even more alien because they are used to all coexisting as one mind. However, after the Dyson Sphere, the Geth become even more organic because then they each belong to a unit and have separate voices.


I think one of the ways in which synthetic life would differ is that synthetic life wouldn't hold prejudice against other organics for the Quarian's actions. Due to that war resulting from different variables or "data" than they'd have experienced with other races. If they wiped out the Quarians, I believe they would try to come to a different conclusion with the other races, based on what I have seen from the Geth history.

It's a funny point you bring up, because Mass Effect IS a pretty war happy universe. So to say that any race will always rise up and take over (whether it be organic or synthetic) is ridiculous. The amount of different permutations and outcomes that can be reached across the universe, to say that any one outcome of a problem with always occur 100% of the time is just absurd.

Not most hilarious part of this is that you claim BioWare's writing style is very consistent across the trilogy when BioWare writers themselves would disagree with out. Did you know Mac Walters had issues with the way Garrus was written in ME3? Having two him for 1&2 before passing him off. Also not sure what you're on about regarding the pre-EC/-post-EC thing, I literally said they were different, it went from a poo sandwich to a poo sandwich with mayonnaise, lettuce and cheese. But "re-write" the endings has a very different meaning than expand upon. They did not rewrite anything. They added a lot but they did not take-out, or rewrite anything.

Do you realize how flawed that logic is? How circular you're being in your argument right now? The problem was that is was that way to begin with! The update that fixed it later should never have happened if the game wasn't pushed out because gamers just gobble up poo and keep eating it until it tastes like chocolate these days. Stop eating the poo and they'll stop feeding it to you!

Also, for the record, I never actually complained directly about the EC, I even admitted they put love into it. Mayonnaise, lettuce and cheese are good ingredients, but the poo was not taken out of the sandwich.

When did this happen? Because I'm pretty sure I've blamed everything on their corporate overlords. But if you know that they listen can you show me the thread where people asked for the catalyst? And find what you will interesting, but I'm old enough to know better than to try to compare fan complaints with the amount a company supposedly listens to them. Especially when all the voices are shouting different things. This is funny because it might have been why a certain company that used to listen deleted their official forums years ago.

Yay, this made me smile, I like it when we agree on things.


How is he not? Bigger than it has any reason to be, chiseled and tanned body with a few tattoos and an ugly faux hawk that wants to call you "lola" from literally the first conversation you ever have with him. No depths to his character other than being a jarhead that wants to be even more of a jarhead. And I also don't like him based on Shepard being forced to flirt with him at certain points in the story. But again and with sincerity, no hate on the writers, it was all destroyed by Dormammu. BioWare needed Dr. Strange or a stronger director to put their job on the line and tell EA to fuck off until the game is even close to ready.

I think I vaguely remember your username, could be wrong though. Welcome back to the club.  

Despite the problems that exist with the presentation, I actually think control serves perfectly as a "bad" ending to the Shepard story. He becomes the very own thing he has been trying to destroy. Not saying it should be the only ending but I kind like the option for renegade Shepards or deluded Paragon Shepards. It ends in a darker tone and I have no issues with option being there.  

Let me ask this...the crew was a whole new group of characters...in ME1, and half of them weren't even characters, but walking codex info dumps. People still got invested in them did they not? Why does everyone act like meeting such a low bar again is totally impossible? All they have to do, is make new characters who aren't bloody annoying, like Liam or Peebee and they'll be fine. 

Again, what magic exactly? ME1's characters are extremely basic, and half of them aren't characters at all. What magic from those characters are they not recapturing? No one likes Kaiden, Liara is an Asari Codex you can bang, Tali is a Geth and Quarrien Codex, Ashley is "stereotype marine who likes gushy things" Wrex and Garrus and Ashley are the only companions with conversations that are more than just exposition. So I ask again, what magic exactly? 

The threshold is somewhere around 7200+, I got it at 7500 with a Paragon Shep and I'm almost at that again with a Renegade Shep. So not that hard to get. The Destroy ending is the only one that doesn't make me depressed for two weeks, ego, it's the canon one lmao.