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Post by 10k on Apr 29, 2021 12:33:25 GMT
Like I said 3 times already all the other races have done the same, or worse. So there you go. It's you who fail to acknowledge anything and keep yelling "TIM is a bad guy" so is every other race government or military in the game. He isn't special in this regard. Also the guy literally said that it didn't happen that way. Hitler killed 6million people, it did happen that way. Classic. Your defense is, b-but they do it too. None of the other races Genophaged themselves. Classic ends justify the means, typical Cerberus loyalist. The airlock, first door on the right. LOL, I've been saying this for three post back so there's nothing classic about it. Also the illusive man didn't genophage humans lol. He did experiments on them. which the turians have done as well in ME: Evolution with their own species. That's why the Illusive man does it because he saw how powerful it made the turians during the first contact war. That's way he began experimenting with reaper tech, he saw the power in it and wanted to duplicate what the turians did with that artifact they found. Edit: I'm not saying the Illusive man is a messiah. I'm saying his work, even though was awful, could actually help humans. The man was clouded by indoctrination as well. Before he was the Illusive man he was Jack Harper a very smart individual, who cared about humanity and risked his life for humanity. Take the experiments regarding Jack, The most powerful human biotic ever. If there was a way to duplicate TIM's work without the torture and cruelty, human biotics could be as formidable as their asari counterparts no doubt. Yes TIM was bad, But sorry the ends sometimes do justify the means. Anyone who uses Bayer pharmaceuticals would agree as well.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 29, 2021 12:51:49 GMT
That's cool, I turn off the news sometimes too. However, this old rhubarb remains true for eternity - Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it. I know who Mengele was, and I actually know what it means to call someone Hitler. Thus, I can make these arguments. edit: holy shit @miranda4paizuri, I owe you a coke! It's not about turning off the news. It's about not wanting to know about SS scum who helped a man kill around 6 million people for no other reason other than ethnical differences. Unlike those idiots I understand that there is only one race on this planet, so there won't be any repeating here. On the other hand TIM has done nothing close to that, but the salarians, and turians have with the genophage. Frankly, I’d say that the krogan were lucky that the salarians didn’t just create a proper sterility plague that drove them into straight up extinction. Considering how aggressively they were expanding, and willing to drop asteroids on their enemies, some kind of scorched earth response seemed fairly prudent to me.
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Post by 10k on Apr 29, 2021 12:55:43 GMT
It's not about turning off the news. It's about not wanting to know about SS scum who helped a man kill around 6 million people for no other reason other than ethnical differences. Unlike those idiots I understand that there is only one race on this planet, so there won't be any repeating here. On the other hand TIM has done nothing close to that, but the salarians, and turians have with the genophage. Frankly, I’d say that the krogan were lucky that the salarians didn’t just create a proper sterility plague that drove them into straight up extinction. Considering how aggressively they were expanding, and willing to drop asteroids on their enemies, some kind of scorched earth response seemed fairly prudent to me. Well it was the salarian's fault as well, to why the krogans were expanding and and dropping asteroids on their enemies. I mean who uplifted them? The krogans were never a threat on the galaxy until other races started to interfere with them, and using them as mindless cannon fodder. Edit: Instead of coming up with a better plan to deal with the rachni, the salarians and the other races, except humans, thought it was a good idea to uplift a warmongering race. And when that race continued to do what they do best, they sterilized them causing millions of still births. And here I thought the salarians were suppose to be the geniuses.
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They're only human.
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Post by Sonya on Apr 29, 2021 14:19:11 GMT
If you preserve organics in reapers form, why are you putting them in harms way? When Sovereign was destroyed, that means whatever civilization is lost forever. Does that mean your solution failed? Suspect "harms way" does not concern that thing for obvious reasons (similar to Legion comment: when Shepard says "many people died so I will destroy the base", Legion says "What does it matter?"). But the rest questions might just glitch that thing as they are illogical as do not exist for that thing. And that would be great: that thing glitches, the reapers glitch as well (self-destruction or something), Shepard is alive, people are alive. Of course "glitch" could end up in a very different and bad way, but I like the first variant. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2021 14:48:19 GMT
ME3MP is overrated. The camera angle is bad and causes your character to block too much screen real estate, the enemy AI's accuracy versus moving targets is based on the host's frames per second that assumes that the game is played at 30 FPS (laughable rookie mistake), enemy shots curve in the air to always hit the cover at your exact position even if you moved since that shot was fired, the dumbass AI always shoots at your center mass so you can screw it over with the right hand trick and probably a few more things I forgot about. Not only those, but movement is abysmal for a multiplayer game... if one has played some earlier games like idunno.jpg UT2003 etc. Guns and powers are bugged, screen shakes for vomit inducing feeling when something happens or a shockwave is thrown, or even when you shoot! Slow-way-too-long-taking melees and generic actions EXCEPT that sudden superspeed get-over-cover/evade-roll (but the evades have their own stoppreviousaction-startevade-stopevade-stop(for no reason hey)-nowusercanmoveATLAST, darkening screen overlays, stupidly loud explosion sounds which are not in balance with other sounds, massive imbalance in kits and weapons, getting stuck into geometry continuously, getting told "that kit & gun & power is wrong for that kit/bugged" etc ... and in the end it wasnt fun to play at all. Sometimes I think it was the first mp game for some of the people who gushed about it. I felt betrayed by the 'omg its teh best', also I thought it would have better movement and controls than SP but alas. The FOV problem is the only thing that I agree. The rest is: Git Gud scrub |
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Post by themikefest on Apr 29, 2021 14:58:50 GMT
If you preserve organics in reapers form, why are you putting them in harms way? When Sovereign was destroyed, that means whatever civilization is lost forever. Does that mean your solution failed? Suspect "harms way" does not concern that thing for obvious reasons (similar to Legion comment: when Shepard says "many people died so I will destroy the base", Legion says "What does it matter?"). But the rest questions might just glitch that thing as they are illogical as do not exist for that thing. And that would be great: that thing glitches, the reapers glitch as well (self-destruction or something), Shepard is alive, people are alive. Of course "glitch" could end up in a very different and bad way, but I like the first variant. I would guess thing would stand there with a blank look not being able to provide an answer. I do like the idea about it glitching causing the reapers to stop. Shepard: Why are you taking the form of a human child thing: .....a few sparks are seen coming from it Shepard: Why do I hear 3 voices when you talk? thing: ......even more sparks are seen Shepard: If you are part of the Citadel wouldn't you have known the protheans altered the signal? thing...does not compute, does not compute. Malfunction, malfunction. thing blows up. Shepard looks towards earth seeing the reapers exploding. Shepard: stupid machine. (Shepard calls for a pickup.) 
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Post by jrpN7 on Apr 29, 2021 15:23:14 GMT
andherewego.gif 1. Male Shepard is canon. The very first decision you make in Mass Effect is "Confirm your ID as CDR John Shepard, Alliance Marine" or "Enter new ID". The retcon attempts are cute to watch though. I expect this to be changed or removed in the Legendary Edition. You know, "iconic ME3 Femshep" and all that. Thank you. This. So much this. Sheploo is canon. As soon as you do a single change in the CC, you're not playing a canon Shepard. The end. FemSheppers are some of the most annoying bunch of self-absorbed hijackers I've ever seen.
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Not only those, but movement is abysmal for a multiplayer game... if one has played some earlier games like idunno.jpg UT2003 etc. Guns and powers are bugged, screen shakes for vomit inducing feeling when something happens or a shockwave is thrown, or even when you shoot! Slow-way-too-long-taking melees and generic actions EXCEPT that sudden superspeed get-over-cover/evade-roll (but the evades have their own stoppreviousaction-startevade-stopevade-stop(for no reason hey)-nowusercanmoveATLAST, darkening screen overlays, stupidly loud explosion sounds which are not in balance with other sounds, massive imbalance in kits and weapons, getting stuck into geometry continuously, getting told "that kit & gun & power is wrong for that kit/bugged" etc ... and in the end it wasnt fun to play at all. Sometimes I think it was the first mp game for some of the people who gushed about it. I felt betrayed by the 'omg its teh best', also I thought it would have better movement and controls than SP but alas. The FOV problem is the only thing that I agree. The rest is: Git Gud scrub Based
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Apr 29, 2021 16:30:47 GMT
The FOV problem is the only thing that I agree. The rest is: Git Gud scrub Of course, this is the default answer from me3mp "veterans" I got  Anyway, I'm done with that alpha version of a mp game long time ago, got better ones to play! ( aaaand the last two times I tried for laughs, I didnt find any lobbies so the game seems to be dead. )
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Post by mikaelnovasun on Apr 29, 2021 17:04:59 GMT
andherewego.gif 1. Male Shepard is canon. The very first decision you make in Mass Effect is "Confirm your ID as CDR John Shepard, Alliance Marine" or "Enter new ID". The retcon attempts are cute to watch though. I expect this to be changed or removed in the Legendary Edition. You know, "iconic ME3 Femshep" and all that. Thank you. This. So much this. Sheploo is canon. As soon as you do a single change in the CC, you're not playing a canon Shepard. The end. FemSheppers are some of the most annoying bunch of self-absorbed hijackers I've ever seen. And Liara is the canon romance. I probably wouldn't have as much problem with Liara if that was the case, but Bioware lets you choose and then favors Liara anyway. Destroy is the canon ending. Dead reaper in teaser trailer! Can't convince me otherwise until the next ME featuring Liara(again) is released, and contradicts or adds some clarity to the teaser. I guess I should just do a "Bioware canon" run: Sheploo, Liara romance, Destroy.
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Post by sassafrassa on Apr 29, 2021 17:06:56 GMT
It's not about turning off the news. It's about not wanting to know about SS scum who helped a man kill around 6 million people for no other reason other than ethnical differences. Unlike those idiots I understand that there is only one race on this planet, so there won't be any repeating here. On the other hand TIM has done nothing close to that, but the salarians, and turians have with the genophage. Frankly, I’d say that the krogan were lucky that the salarians didn’t just create a proper sterility plague that drove them into straight up extinction. Considering how aggressively they were expanding, and willing to drop asteroids on their enemies, some kind of scorched earth response seemed fairly prudent to me. Had it been me I'd have purged them from all worlds besides Tuchanka (or possibly other worlds only they were suited to colonize) but bombed all krogan populations into the stone age. Then I'd just leave them alone after that, planet-bound once more. If they are ever to attain a place in the galactic community then let them naturally evolve into it. The whole cause of that debacle was taking a species evolved into a certain environment that had not yet permitted them to reach space and bringing them to space anyway. Krogan were essentially an invasive species.
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Post by The Elder King on Apr 29, 2021 17:07:19 GMT
Thank you. This. So much this. Sheploo is canon. As soon as you do a single change in the CC, you're not playing a canon Shepard. The end. FemSheppers are some of the most annoying bunch of self-absorbed hijackers I've ever seen. And Liara is the canon romance. I probably wouldn't have as much problem with Liara if that was the case, but Bioware lets you choose and then favors Liara anyway. Destroy is the canon ending. Dead reaper in teaser trailer! Can't convince me otherwise until the next ME featuring Liara(again) is released, and contradicts or adds some clarity to the teaser. I guess I should just do a "Bioware canon" run: Sheploo, Liara romance, Destroy. If an ending is canonized, I think Destroy is the likely choose, but some Reapers died regardless of the endings.
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Post by mikaelnovasun on Apr 29, 2021 17:16:34 GMT
And Liara is the canon romance. I probably wouldn't have as much problem with Liara if that was the case, but Bioware lets you choose and then favors Liara anyway. Destroy is the canon ending. Dead reaper in teaser trailer! Can't convince me otherwise until the next ME featuring Liara(again) is released, and contradicts or adds some clarity to the teaser. I guess I should just do a "Bioware canon" run: Sheploo, Liara romance, Destroy. If an ending is canonized, I think Destroy is the likely choose, but some Reapers died regardless of the endings. Don't do it! Don't poke holes in the one part of my "Bioware canon" I have no issues with...well other then Star Child being part of it...and....ah damnit. 
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Post by Spectr61 on Apr 29, 2021 17:17:36 GMT
The FOV problem is the only thing that I agree. The rest is: Git Gud scrub Of course, this is the default answer from me3mp "veterans" I got Anyway, I'm done with that alpha version of a mp game long time ago, got better ones to play! ( aaaand the last two times I tried for laughts, I didnt find any lobbies so the game seems to be dead. ) Dude, do you even Thunderdome?
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Post by vonuber on Apr 29, 2021 17:38:13 GMT
andherewego.gif 1. Male Shepard is canon. The very first decision you make in Mass Effect is "Confirm your ID as CDR John Shepard, Alliance Marine" or "Enter new ID". The retcon attempts are cute to watch though. I expect this to be changed or removed in the Legendary Edition. You know, "iconic ME3 Femshep" and all that. Thank you. This. So much this. Sheploo is canon. As soon as you do a single change in the CC, you're not playing a canon Shepard. The end. FemSheppers are some of the most annoying bunch of self-absorbed hijackers I've ever seen. Sheploo is for those who lack the imagination of being anything other than a wishful thinking insert. Sheploo is dull, derivative and interchangeable with any other character design. Femshep alters the entire structural narrative by providing a new angle on the saviour character, sheploo is for those who are threatened by change. |
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 29, 2021 17:55:34 GMT
And Liara is the canon romance. I probably wouldn't have as much problem with Liara if that was the case, but Bioware lets you choose and then favors Liara anyway. Destroy is the canon ending. Dead reaper in teaser trailer! Can't convince me otherwise until the next ME featuring Liara(again) is released, and contradicts or adds some clarity to the teaser. I guess I should just do a "Bioware canon" run: Sheploo, Liara romance, Destroy. If an ending is canonized, I think Destroy is the likely choose, but some Reapers died regardless of the endings. The only reapers that explicitly die on screen in ME3 are 2 destroyers, and one capital ship that’s now at the bottom of the ocean on 2181 Despoina.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2021 17:56:09 GMT
Sheploo is alpha
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2021 17:59:58 GMT
Thank you. This. So much this. Sheploo is canon. As soon as you do a single change in the CC, you're not playing a canon Shepard. The end. FemSheppers are some of the most annoying bunch of self-absorbed hijackers I've ever seen. Sheploo is for those who lack the imagination of being anything other than a wishful thinking insert. Sheploo is dull, derivative and interchangeable with any other character design. Femshep alters the entire structural narrative by providing a new angle on the saviour character, sheploo is for those who are threatened by change. Insert your disgusted FemRyder gif... good grief. I play both, love both. Picking one over the other and then trying to make it the "best choice" is some serious Mean Girls trash. |
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Post by jrpN7 on Apr 29, 2021 18:07:46 GMT
Thank you. This. So much this. Sheploo is canon. As soon as you do a single change in the CC, you're not playing a canon Shepard. The end. FemSheppers are some of the most annoying bunch of self-absorbed hijackers I've ever seen. Sheploo is for those who lack the imagination of being anything other than a wishful thinking insert. Sheploo is dull, derivative and interchangeable with any other character design. Femshep alters the entire structural narrative by providing a new angle on the saviour character, sheploo is for those who are threatened by change. Ah, exhibit A on annoying hijackers. I see the spice is too much to handle. Yesss. Cough and wheez. Your feeble elitism has no power here. Doesn't change the fact on who's canon and that players thoroughly enjoy their male Shepard playthroughs even after all the femShep harping.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Apr 29, 2021 18:17:20 GMT
That the whole story of the MET is vastly over-rated.
FemShep is better than Male Shepard in every single way.
Liara is the best character in ME1 and ME3.
The MP mode and Pinnacle Station sucked and that is what sold me on ME:LE.
ME1 is, was, and always will be just a massive exposition dump.
Mass Effect Andromeda is much better than Mass Effect 1.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 29, 2021 18:22:37 GMT
If an ending is canonized, I think Destroy is the likely choose, but some Reapers died regardless of the endings. The only reapers that explicitly die on screen in ME3 are 2 destroyers, and one capital ship that’s now at the bottom of the ocean on 2181 Despoina. Three Destroyers (Tuchanka, Rannoch, Earth). Though we see others, for example the one Dreadnought being ripped apart by a group of Alliance Dreadnoughts though it takes a few of them with it. Then of course some already dead ones floating in space when the Crucible is activated.
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Post by mikaelnovasun on Apr 29, 2021 18:56:20 GMT
Thank you. This. So much this. Sheploo is canon. As soon as you do a single change in the CC, you're not playing a canon Shepard. The end. FemSheppers are some of the most annoying bunch of self-absorbed hijackers I've ever seen. Sheploo is for those who lack the imagination of being anything other than a wishful thinking insert. Sheploo is dull, derivative and interchangeable with any other character design. Femshep alters the entire structural narrative by providing a new angle on the saviour character, sheploo is for those who are threatened by change. Really....I feel Shep being male adds more to Liara's romance. Femshep cheapens the romance. The only different between human women and Asari are hair and pigmentation. With male Shepard, Liara overcomes more of what makes her different from Shepard, showing more love......
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2021 19:02:36 GMT
That the whole story of the MET is vastly over-rated. FemShep is better than Male Shepard in every single way. Liara is the best character in ME1 and ME3. The MP mode and Pinnacle Station sucked and that is what sold me on ME:LE. ME1 is, was, and always will be just a massive exposition dump. Mass Effect Andromeda is much better than Mass Effect 1. Just because you sucked at MP doesnt mean IT sucks.
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Post by Sharable Horizon on Apr 29, 2021 19:26:13 GMT
She barely even has a character. In each game we get a new character who has the same voice, name, and face, but everything else is different. If there is no consistency in her personality, which frames how she sees and responds to the world around her, then how can we even consider her the same character? She's as badly written as Cerberus, maybe even worse. It all goes down hill with the ME2 prequel comic about Shepard's body. Why it was she was chosen as the main character for that story is beyond me because she makes no sense. ME1 Liara would never have struggled moving on after Shepard's death, especially after getting access to Ilos and knowing the truth about the Reapers. She was a very emotionally mature young woman and while sad, would have have had the strength and motivation to move on with her life. This would also have been a much more logical use of her character considering the events of ME2 and the revelation about the Collectors. It's also laughable that she becomes an information broker and badass in ME2 because, again, that's not consistent with how she was portrayed in ME1. In the original game she is mild mannered, awkward, and thoughtful. She's not the kind of person to manipulate or threaten others. It'd make about as much sense if we met in ME2 and she was big and buff and explained that she had suddenly decided she want to play American Football and took a bunch of steroids. Or maybe she does pro wrestling. Or perhaps now she's a botanist. Perhaps she sells real estate? A cop? Fireman? Exotic dancer? Drives heavy equipment? Reporter? Directs movies? Any of these make just as much sense. Lets be real chief. This is Liara we’re talking about - She’s all of those things and more! That’s the beauty of being Mac’s Waifu, if there’s anyway he can shoehorn that boring blue bitch into a game he will!   As for spicy takes here’s mine: 1. Femshep puritan’s are more aggravating then stepping on Lego. I get it. Everyone will have a preference between the two characters (except me apparently, I like them both equally as Mark and Jennifer have their strengths and weaknesses in their performances and I love them both for it!) However, virtually every thread, Twitter comment or Reddit post I’ve seen that dares to talk about ManShep immediately gets dogpiled by the FEMSHEP IS CANON!!!1! brigade and it’s really started to grind my gears... 2. The post EC destroy ending is the almost perfect ending to the trilogy. Minus Starbrat (who should have been a representation of the original species that created the Reapers, not some rando kid) I was pretty happy with this ending being my canon! I would have also have changed it so that rather then “EvErY sYnThEtIc WiLl Be DeStRoYeD”, I would change it to everything with reaper code would be destroyed. An important distinction that would still result in the loss of the Geth and Edi, but would have saved us the years of arguing about whether every mechanical device was destroyed. That’s it - come at me!
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