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Post by marshalmoriarty on Jun 25, 2021 1:53:39 GMT
And that means what? Does the game change on your 11th playthrough? Did you play my playthroughs, such that you think you know what happened better than I did when I was there?! Its all there in my notes. I remember how nervous I always was doing the SM because I wasn't able to make Legion loyal.
It must have been patched at some point to correct this is the only thing I can think happened. I played intensively over the years around release of ME1 and 2 then fell away soon after ME3 came out and didn't really come back after that. I'd have to find every set of playthrough notes to be sure. Because if it wasn't a patch then it has tp have been a glitch.
I'm compulsive and meticulous in my playthroughs. I literally could not have forced myself to go to the SM leaving a squad member vulnerable even if I'd wanted to. Its just how I am, I have to do a full job, done right with no cutting corners. The only reason I left Legion's LM undone was because the game forced me to do the SM or lose the crew.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2021 2:29:09 GMT
And that means what? Does the game change on your 11th playthrough? Did you play my playthroughs, such that you think you know what happened better than I did when I was there?! Its all there in my notes. I remember how nervous I always was doing the SM because I wasn't able to make Legion loyal. It must have been patched at some point to correct this is the only thing I can think happened. I played intensively over the years around release of ME1 and 2 then fell away soon after ME3 came out and didn't really come back after that. I'd have to find every set of playthrough notes to be sure. Because if it wasn't a patch then it has tp have been a glitch. I'm compulsive and meticulous in my playthroughs. I literally could not have forced myself to go to the SM leaving a squad member vulnerable even if I'd wanted to. Its just how I am, I have to do a full job, done right with no cutting corners. The only reason I left Legion's LM undone was because the game forced me to do the SM or lose the crew. On this aspect, the others are right. One was always able to get and do Legion's loyalty mission even if they had done every other mission in the game before getting the IFF. What you must have done differently this time around is opened a second conversation with Legion before hitting the Galaxy Map, allowing him to give you his Loyalty Mission. He ends is first conversation with anticipating the exchange of data and the conversation closes. You can then start a new conversation with him and he'll give you his loyalty mission. If, however, you just leave his room and go to the galaxy map, you lose that opportunity, unless you have another loyalty mission still pending.
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Post by marshalmoriarty on Jun 25, 2021 3:21:21 GMT
I can only repeat myself that I was there for these playthroughs and you weren't. Do you think in all those playthroughs where I was desperate to do his LM, I just walked up, activated him and left without talking to him?! What, did I forget? Every time? On an issue where it mattered this much to me? When I'm the kind of detail focused player who records his playthroughs? That I never thought 'Maybe I should reload and talk to him again in case his LM triggers' Or managed not to see his LM in the quest log when I look at it constantly to make 300% sure I'm not forgetting to do anything before crucial missions?
Plus I had Legion's Widow sniper rifle on the SM so I clearly had talked to him and the LM hadn't popped. A glitch or patch is the only thing that makes sense. All of the above along with my own notes that show that I didn't anything or LM wise differently and was never able to get his LM until after the SM means its either a glitch or more likely a patch.
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Post by steppinrazor on Jun 25, 2021 6:30:10 GMT
And that means what? Does the game change on your 11th playthrough? Did you play my playthroughs, such that you think you know what happened better than I did when I was there?! Its all there in my notes. I remember how nervous I always was doing the SM because I wasn't able to make Legion loyal. It must have been patched at some point to correct this is the only thing I can think happened. I played intensively over the years around release of ME1 and 2 then fell away soon after ME3 came out and didn't really come back after that. I'd have to find every set of playthrough notes to be sure. Because if it wasn't a patch then it has tp have been a glitch. I'm compulsive and meticulous in my playthroughs. I literally could not have forced myself to go to the SM leaving a squad member vulnerable even if I'd wanted to. Its just how I am, I have to do a full job, done right with no cutting corners. The only reason I left Legion's LM undone was because the game forced me to do the SM or lose the crew. lmaooo at you bringing up how many playthroughs to support your argument, then when he did the same you act as if that is irrelevant and means nothing. Ok bruh xD
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Post by steppinrazor on Jun 25, 2021 6:36:14 GMT
I can only repeat myself that I was there for these playthroughs and you weren't. Do you think in all those playthroughs where I was desperate to do his LM, I just walked up, activated him and left without talking to him?! What, did I forget? Every time? On an issue where it mattered this much to me? When I'm the kind of detail focused player who records his playthroughs? That I never thought 'Maybe I should reload and talk to him again in case his LM triggers' Or managed not to see his LM in the quest log when I look at it constantly to make 300% sure I'm not forgetting to do anything before crucial missions? Plus I had Legion's Widow sniper rifle on the SM so I clearly had talked to him and the LM hadn't popped. A glitch or patch is the only thing that makes sense. All of the above along with my own notes that show that I didn't anything or LM wise differently and was never able to get his LM until after the SM means its either a glitch or more likely a patch. Your whole life is a lie.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2021 7:41:42 GMT
I can only repeat myself that I was there for these playthroughs and you weren't. Do you think in all those playthroughs where I was desperate to do his LM, I just walked up, activated him and left without talking to him?! What, did I forget? Every time? On an issue where it mattered this much to me? When I'm the kind of detail focused player who records his playthroughs? That I never thought 'Maybe I should reload and talk to him again in case his LM triggers' Or managed not to see his LM in the quest log when I look at it constantly to make 300% sure I'm not forgetting to do anything before crucial missions? Plus I had Legion's Widow sniper rifle on the SM so I clearly had talked to him and the LM hadn't popped. A glitch or patch is the only thing that makes sense. All of the above along with my own notes that show that I didn't anything or LM wise differently and was never able to get his LM until after the SM means its either a glitch or more likely a patch. {shrug} You weren't there for my playthroughs either and I can assure you that several times I completed every mission possible in the old game, including all DLC, before going to get the Reaper IFF... and I was always able to make Legion loyal before doing the suicide mission. I've told you what I know... it's up to you to figure it out from there. If you're saying they changed the LE to make it possible to make Legion loyal before doing the suicide mission when every other mission has been completed already... then I have to say that it's not a change. It's always been possible.
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Post by winterking on Jun 25, 2021 9:49:52 GMT
No it didn't or at least could glitch because I've played ME2 about 10 times, always recruiting people and doing their loyalty missions before Derelict Reaper and its never revoked EDI's IFF completion to give me the chance to do Legion's LM before. Every playthrough I keep a logbook of what order I did missions and who came with me because I like to rotate my crew and use everyone as equally as I can. So I know that the facts in terms of what I was doing are accurate and that I didn't get the chance to do 'House divided' until after the SM before. I *never* go to Derelict Reaper until I have everyone and they're loyal. It always did for me and I also played Mass Effect 2 at least 10 times. No change in MELE as far as I can tell. Recruiting Legion last with all the other loyalty missions completed, still allows you to do Legion's by talking with him before the abduction is triggered and the suicide mission becomes available. Kelly might even mention when you approach the galaxy map that Legion want's to talk with you in the AI core. In fact, one should be able to do two loyalty missions before the abduction is triggered. I often do Tali and Legion's loyalty mission after Reaper IFF just so I can take Legion to Tali's mission.
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Post by themikefest on Jun 25, 2021 11:24:16 GMT
In fact, one should be able to do two loyalty missions before the abduction is triggered. I often do Tali and Legion's loyalty mission after Reaper IFF just so I can take Legion to Tali's mission. Yep. In my current playthrough, I had all squadmates recruited before the IFF, and most of the loyalty missions. After the IFF, I activated the geth, took it to Tali's trial, then did it's loyalty mission before going through the omega 4 relay. The only time two missions can be completed, not counting side missions and dlc, is if all squadmates and/or loyalty missions have not been completed.
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Post by marshalmoriarty on Jun 25, 2021 21:47:59 GMT
I've no doubt its the way its supposed to work. But its not the way it did work for me. If it had worked like that, I'd have done it and had no problem. But it didn't and no amount of 'Yes it did' from you will change that fact. The sheer arrogance and ignorance to say it did happen when you weren't there, I was and even have written records that it didn't is a new low even for you. Why would I say otherwise?! What would be the point?!
When you see people say they got glitches that crashed the game at X point or characters couldn't be interacted with etc, is your reaction to say 'That never happened to me - therefore it cannot have happened to you. Not possible.' Of course not. Except in this instance apparently.
I know what happened, I have no reason to say otherwise but if you don't accept that then so be it., I guess. Whether it was a glitch, a patch or whatever back then, I'm just glad it didn't do it on LE. Take it or leave it, we're done here.
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I've no doubt its the way its supposed to work. But its not the way it did work for me. If it had worked like that, I'd have done it and had no problem. But it didn't and no amount of 'Yes it did' from you will change that fact. The sheer arrogance and ignorance to say it did happen when you weren't there, I was and even have written records that it didn't is a new low even for you. Why would I say otherwise?! What would be the point?! When you see people say they got glitches that crashed the game at X point or characters couldn't be interacted with etc, is your reaction to say 'That never happened to me - therefore it cannot have happened to you. Not possible.' Of course not. Except in this instance apparently. I know what happened, I have no reason to say otherwise but if you don't accept that then so be it., I guess. Whether it was a glitch, a patch or whatever back then, I'm just glad it didn't do it on LE. Take it or leave it, we're done here. So, maybe you did have a bug in your old game. As I said, it's up to you to figure that out. I'm just saying it's not a change for the LE Edition. If it was a bug, then it wasn't a bug occurring on all platforms or even in all games on any of the platforms. Perhaps your old game was a faulty disc (if it was on disc) or a faulty download (if not on a disc). We, here, have no way of figuring that out for you.
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Post by marshalmoriarty on Jun 25, 2021 22:36:50 GMT
And I didn't ask you to. Like I said, I'm just happy it works now.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2021 7:10:09 GMT
The high EMS, Paragon Control speech by Shepard has been changed. For example, the old speech referred to giving people "hope for the future" and it now says "giving those who survived a chance at peace."... at least I've not ever heard this particular version of the speech before. This Shepard was highly paragon and had more than 8,000 TMS just before attacking TIM's base (8,120 just before starting Priority: Earth). My Shepard's are not normally quite so paragon as this one was, but I'd have to repeat the playthrough in the OT to make sure that this version of the speech was not available there. It could also have something to do with my starting the playthrough using the comic (which invokes defaults for some decisions that are different than the ones I normally make and does result in some dialogue differenes). All in all, I found it far more indicative of Control Shepard basically just telling the reapers to return to dark space and allow the current cycle to continue developing on their own. This is now even more definitely my preferred ending.
ETA: Paragon Control in OT (the lines that are different in MELE are highlighted):
Paragon Control in MELE (the lines that are different in the OT are highlighted):
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Post by sugarless on Jul 11, 2021 8:27:25 GMT
(ME3) Eden Prime, watch out if you use Singularity on the Cerberus shuttles just as they open the hatch - some of these Cerberus troops end up falling under ground and are unreachable to kill. My combat drone did follow him down but was unable to kill him, which means you have to go back to a previous save, redo all of that combat in order to trigger the opening of the stasis pod. This never happened in the OT.
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(ME3) Eden Prime, watch out if you use Singularity on the Cerberus shuttles just as they open the hatch - some of these Cerberus troops end up falling under ground and are unreachable to kill. My combat drone did follow him down but was unable to kill him, which means you have to go back to a previous save, redo all of that combat in order to trigger the opening of the stasis pod. This never happened in the OT.
Yeah, similar things have happened to me in a few places now. Just yesterday, I even had one such instance during the attack on TIM's base where Liara went down during ocmbat and sunk under the ground such that I could not use the "revive" option to get her back on her feet. Fortuntely, with squad mates, there is the option to just use medi-gel or just leave them down until combat ends so I didn't have to repeat anything... but it was a little frustrating for a moment since I was right close to her and normally would have been able to just revive her. I opted to just lfinish the fight myself and it was interesting to see her pop up out of the ground after the fight ended. Hopefully, they will fix this bug.
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Post by themikefest on Jul 11, 2021 14:41:49 GMT
(ME3) Eden Prime, watch out if you use Singularity on the Cerberus shuttles just as they open the hatch - some of these Cerberus troops end up falling under ground and are unreachable to kill. My combat drone did follow him down but was unable to kill him, which means you have to go back to a previous save, redo all of that combat in order to trigger the opening of the stasis pod. This never happened in the OT. That has happened to me as well except I was able to kill the guy. I either used a singularity or had t'soni use it on the guy. It worked. It was able to reach him leading to his death.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Jul 11, 2021 18:04:54 GMT
Was nice to have Liara and James get lost in the small Sanctum multiplayer map. They died, they never came to me anymore, I just plowed through the stupid cerberus troops with double throw and pull, using bit of gun on the shielded ones and warp on the turrets. Double Throw.
Eden Prime, all ok except the combat engine starts to wear on me. Come Palaven, the game gets confused if the enemy should have died and double throw cooldown is already on ridiculous OP level. Airstrip/Landing area Husks flew out of the map, some landed to the backing geometry where I had to go pull and throw again at them. That worked there. At the wall, no more Husks appeared after I rejected the gun and just throw throw throw... Meh. I stopped playing for today, maybe try just singularity+throw and random shockwave, which seems to be doing sometimes nothing and reaches nowhere... the next time I play. Did I say combat was still janky?
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Post by sugarless on Jul 11, 2021 23:01:53 GMT
(ME3) Eden Prime, watch out if you use Singularity on the Cerberus shuttles just as they open the hatch - some of these Cerberus troops end up falling under ground and are unreachable to kill. My combat drone did follow him down but was unable to kill him, which means you have to go back to a previous save, redo all of that combat in order to trigger the opening of the stasis pod. This never happened in the OT. That has happened to me as well except I was able to kill the guy. I either used a singularity or had t'soni use it on the guy. It worked. It was able to reach him leading to his death. Ya I tried shooting, using singularity to raise him and the combat drone and sentry turret to no avail. Targeting him was not possible.
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Post by dazk on Sept 6, 2021 0:31:26 GMT
I had the problem with enemies being stuck in things on Eden Prime as well due to Throw embedding them in buildings and other objects. The worst was doing the Shadow Broker quest at the start where you fight all the enemies in the car park. At least three enemies either spawned or walked into the inside of this car, Singularity got two out but one I was able to shoot in the foot.   |
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Post by sugarless on Sept 10, 2021 23:46:16 GMT
I had the problem with enemies being stuck in things on Eden Prime as well due to Throw embedding them in buildings and other objects. The worst was doing the Shadow Broker quest at the start where you fight all the enemies in the car park. At least three enemies either spawned or walked into the inside of this car, Singularity got two out but one I was able to shoot in the foot. I would have aimed at the kneecap  to do Garrus proud. But noice shootin'!
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Post by dazk on Sept 11, 2021 1:20:34 GMT
I had the problem with enemies being stuck in things on Eden Prime as well due to Throw embedding them in buildings and other objects. The worst was doing the Shadow Broker quest at the start where you fight all the enemies in the car park. At least three enemies either spawned or walked into the inside of this car, Singularity got two out but one I was able to shoot in the foot. I would have aimed at the kneecap  to do Garrus proud. But noice shootin'! Well I am a bad enough shot it may have hit the knee cap anyway!!!!! 
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