My view on the ending morality

Once we get more context with the geth I don't have any major hate for them. There was a hint in ME1 on Tali's loyalty mission. At the end, there's that audio/video recording of the quarians. It indicated some attachment to the quarians, like they longed for what they once had. Then we got a lot more detail in ME2. Legion isn't really a factor in ME3 because of it upgrades the other geth it no longer has an intelligence. I'd argue the geth had actually ceased to exist at that point. The geth were a series of linked programs. What came after uploading the Reaper programs were individuals. They weren't anymore.

As for the krogan, there's a big reason why I think they deserve to live. We're asking them to shed blood on Earth. Shepard was recruiting krogan to fight for Earth. How can you then turn around and shoot them in the back? 

This kind of thinking feels exactly like the flawed, fatalistic logic that the reapers use to justify killing everyone.
Also I really don't buy into overpopulation arguments when there's an entire galaxy worth of planets to colonize.

I've suggested that before, I decided to be politer about my criticism this time. Though really given how hamfisted they pushed this and the geth story line in similar ways I suspect a later change of plans was the culprit.

While true, it seems like we'd be at a distinct disadvantage without them. So, sure, I'd save them for fighting on our side. And, tbh, if someone was dangling the fate of my race over my head there'd be a big ask for my help. Remember, humanity is full of people like the krogan who would run right over other races if it suited them. I'm speaking of alien races. If humanity had a gun to our heads we'd damn well say they need to fix things.

Those are some really good points, I still believe that the Geth could be reborn in a high Destroy Ending based upon the Quarians feeling the need to pay them back for their help now obviously, they wouldn't put them in combat situations and will likely use them in a more civilized way than menial slave labor (another reason the Quarians were afraid of the Geth behaving like that was because the Council would have presented fines to them (while ignoring the Batarians)). Unlike an organic race the new Geth could be introduced to the memories of the previous Geth and shown that their "ancestors" sacrifice helped their creations to perform the directive they were designed to: protect their creators.


Shepard and Legion have this conversation when discussing reprograming: Legion: "No two species are identical, applying owns morality to other races, even if it is benign anthromorphisism is racist." Now I chose Destroy Heretics in ME2 because as Legion stated to me in front it the computer there was no guarantee that the Geth would decide killing organics is the way to go with the Heretics still in existence: 

The Geth offensive in ME1 was done by the Heretics, not Legion Geth, as there is a control panel in Feros (requires high decryption skills so take one of the following on all missions: Tali, Kaidan, Garrus) which tells you of the Geth sending supplies to the Armstrong Nebula, when you get there Hackett informs you of the offensive as a whole): masseffect.fandom.com/wiki/UNC:_Geth_Incursions

True, but since the Heretics were a minority versus the real Geths Legion side calculated that they could replenish their numbers only to then get attacked horrifically by the Quarians. 

I know a lot of ME1 players know the Heretics launched the offensive rather than Legion Geth but there were some people here that said the offensive was actually lead by Legion forces.

Actually Legion admits in ME2 on one of his conversations with Shepard that the Geth travel the Comm Buoy network and they planted one fake story that divided the Salarians as well managing to study humanity which they found interesting (no doubt they have managed to decider some classified intel).

Geth could very likely create new programs but I think Legion conversations shed more light into the Geth story and more than the other two games. If the Geth are simple programs then that means that rebuilding them should be "simple" with the following: David and Gavin Archer, Admiral Xen, Kahlee Sanders, Tali and Legion body only that then they could be VI from the start with care taken to balance their eventual growth.

I would add them the memories of how the Reapers where destroyed and how their ancestors were instrumental in helping them and that thanks to their sacrifice the Organics were saved.

Yeah let's hope the ME writers take good constructive feedback and don't create themes in a vacuum now back to the Synthetics vs Organics narrative:

-ME1 had the Rogue AI quest were we found an AI that sought to steal credits and pay to have it's mainframe onto a ship so it could drive it into Geth Space, when questioned of it's creator the AI tells the player it was "birthed" by another AI (potential for some part of EDI to return) without the creator consent and when the creator came he shut down it's mother/father. The AI called the authorities and falsified the banking records and they took him down while the computer kept operating. When Shepard came to it the AI says he sees no other way than to self destroy itself as organics will ALWAS strike at what is different even if Shepard asks it to surrender (https://masseffect.fandom.com/wiki/Citadel:_Signal_Tracking).
ordering them to surrending to be dismanteled, 
-in ME3 Citadel DLC we run into and archive that has a group of AI that went rogue inside LOKI mechs and there is also a group of C-Sec (leader is a Turian, one Asari and one Salarian) and while the AI say they just want to exists and enter talks (we don't know if the others went on a killing spree as we only see these ones) while the Turian dismisses them and orders to shoot therefore destroying them (https://masseffect.fandom.com/wiki/Citadel_Archives:_Escape#Trivia)

-the Reaper AI is what it is because it's creators just wanted to preserve organics and while the program tried different methods  it lacked what Shepard had: understanding of both synthetics vs organics as we looked and studied things on a case by case scenario while the Leviathans just wanted their slaves and the AI was just under orders.


-I was one of the few not bothered completely by the fact that there was a program in the Citadel controlling the Reapers as both Virgil and the Keeper Scan quest hinted at that but, when I was playing ME3 I saw not a single urgency by Bioware writers to continue that topic until when we find out about the Catalyst. Had they not cut: Javiik, Extended Cut (which was admittedly added later on) and Leviathan as well not leaving the ending being developed in a vacuum  the push back would have been less: "I hate the ending" and more "let's debate the endings."

-They also ignored the Counduit and how we could use it to bypass the Reaper Fleet and while the Armies we collected where in space duking it out and opening a gab to land the ground forces we were with a group relieving the ME1 ending (a giant Deja Vu and callback to that glorious moment) managing the forces at various points (here is where the WA came into). We see how the situation is on the Citadel depending on our choices and we run into groups of survivors that we can either ignore or lead to evacuation shuttle areas for when we open the arms, using the Keepers data we enter into the ducts and run into some Cerberus forces (imagine the ME2 crew survivors mixed with indoctrinated troops which were kept in the dark of what Cerberus was doing up to that point and they are arguing with the troopers) and we either spare them while placing them in C-Sec custody or let them kill each other (sparing the indoctrinated would be like the Rachni clone or some shoot each themselves, needs further discussion) and then we enter the meat grinder part of the Citadel, we see Anderson come through the beam as part of Hammer made it through and depending of how strong they are all of the named characters escaped or died off. Shepard and Anderson then head towards the Control panel and run into TIM while the other two of Shepard squad mates try to find a survivor, the same scene happens up to where the arms open and the ships are racing to escape in  a pattern that doesn't interfere with the ships delivering the Crucible, we see shots of non combatants rejoicing at the device and among them Sarah Williams (yes Ash (LI) is one of the person who Shepard took in this scenario with the other being Liara) and being escorted by other Allied ships as we return to Shepard and Anderson talking (he is badly hurt and when Williams and T'soni came into to help they were also frozen by TIM), the mechanism isn't working and Shepard decides to pool all the knowledge he collected and we ascend alone to the Catalyst but in communication range. The two squad mates listen worryingly and at the end the chime their opinions which show: from concern, understanding and anger depending who we take. EDI and the Geth are also paying attention and the Geth can rebel (if we chose them over the Quarians and more so if it is them without Legion memories) or stand fast with Shepard (requires peace between the Quarians and Geth). EDI will decide to be at peace with whatever we choose, the Catalyst sees this behaviors and will comment at how this either is the same as always or something else changed and that it doesn't make logic as Shepard heads to Destroy (the other two options were left open and available) and ends the war. 

How? Synthetics would see a galaxy that likes to preach peace but when push comes to shove will have no problem killing all synthetics. For beings who operate on logic, they would never see organics as worthy of trust let alone things like true kinship. And they'd e completely right to think that way. 

When push comes to shove you destroy the Reapers no matter what, instead of keeping them fully operable, undefeatable as they are you have no backup if they ever turn on anyone.

That's just awfully naive no matter what your personal feelings.

A single choice that could cost all life in the current cycle if you attempt to control them, more nearsighted than that, if you choose Synthesis and one individual did not want it you have taken their right to choose. The gravity of the crime you commit does not merely affect one cycle but the entirety of this galaxy forever.

There were multiple writing teams that didn't interact with each other to cross the "i's" and dot the "t's". This was just an example of one of them. It was a side quest after all and probably not thought to be important enough to warrant attention. Tali's pilgrimage required that she obtain something that was from geth not controlled by Sovereign. That meant Geth that were not Heretics. However, the Armstrong Cluster Geth turned out to be Heretics. Heretics were controlled by Sovereign. But wait, that sample was accepted by Shepard and Tali as from Geth not controlled by Sovereign even though they knew it was from Geth controlled by Sovereign.

There are examples of writing in this series that are like this: