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Post by SirSourpuss on Oct 8, 2021 21:40:31 GMT
A botched solution. It's like fixing your bad grades by burning down the school.
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Sir Nose D'VoidOfFunk
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, Dragon Age The Veilguard
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Post by AngryFrozenWater on Oct 8, 2021 21:44:06 GMT
A botched solution. It's like fixing your bad grades by burning down the school. At least we can agree that the Intelligence is not as smart as it thinks it is.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 8, 2021 22:22:41 GMT
You have to remember machine logic isn’t the same as organic logic. If life is left unchecked, all life could be snuffed out forever this no life. If advanced life is killed, primitive life can live thus life. If the goal was to secure life, the solution does do that. Especially with them seeing preserving the DNA of harvested life as data and in Reapers keeps them alive in a way too.
To use the example used in the game, it’s similar to controlled burns that we do. To stop too much life from growing in a forest that it will choke out life as well as avoid a natural fire that will burn down the entire forest, we burn down parts of the forest. Except in their case, they also see a way they preserve the forest that was burned.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Oct 8, 2021 22:34:44 GMT
You have to remember machine logic isn’t the same as organic logic. That's part of the problem. You can't trust it and you can't leave it unchecked. The Reapers are unchecked. Their logic is flawed. Regardless of what they think they are doing, they're doing it wrong and they won't stop doing it wrong.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 8, 2021 22:42:22 GMT
You have to remember machine logic isn’t the same as organic logic. That's part of the problem. You can't trust it and you can't leave it unchecked. The Reapers are unchecked. Their logic is flawed. Regardless of what they think they are doing, they're doing it wrong and they won't stop doing it wrong. I disagree on you not being able to trust it. They will always do what is the most logical, whereas organics will have hidden agendas or do things that make no sense. For example, have the Reapers ever lied? The answer is no. Even when it comes to a decision that could wipe them out, they're honest. I agree about not leaving it unchecked. After all, even something as benign as making paper clips could lead to the extinction of humanity. You either make them limited, or you make them more like us where they won't see things in just pure logic. EDI even mentions that when discussing the Quarian-Geth conflict.
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Sir Nose D'VoidOfFunk
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, Dragon Age The Veilguard
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Post by AngryFrozenWater on Oct 8, 2021 23:23:55 GMT
That's part of the problem. You can't trust it and you can't leave it unchecked. The Reapers are unchecked. Their logic is flawed. Regardless of what they think they are doing, they're doing it wrong and they won't stop doing it wrong. I disagree on you not being able to trust it. They will always do what is the most logical, whereas organics will have hidden agendas or do things that make no sense. For example, have the Reapers ever lied? The answer is no. Even when it comes to a decision that could wipe them out, they're honest. I agree about not leaving it unchecked. After all, even something as benign as making paper clips could lead to the extinction of humanity. You either make them limited, or you make them more like us where they won't see things in just pure logic. EDI even mentions that when discussing the Quarian-Geth conflict. No. The reapers are not honest. They had a simple task: The leviathans needed lesser species to pay tribute, because these lesser species may be wiped out by synthetics. Instead of keeping the tribute flowing, the Intelligence stabbed them in the back and harvested the leviathans. Currently we cannot understand an AI, which doesn't follow logic. But that is because we only know primitive computers, which can mimic intelligence by logic. However, theoretically there should be no difference between an artificial intelligence and one driven by a biochemical computer, which we know as a brain.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Oct 8, 2021 23:33:29 GMT
I disagree on you not being able to trust it. They will always do what is the most logical, whereas organics will have hidden agendas or do things that make no sense. For example, have the Reapers ever lied? The answer is no. Even when it comes to a decision that could wipe them out, they're honest. I agree about not leaving it unchecked. After all, even something as benign as making paper clips could lead to the extinction of humanity. You either make them limited, or you make them more like us where they won't see things in just pure logic. EDI even mentions that when discussing the Quarian-Geth conflict. No. The reapers are not honest. They had a simple task: The leviathans needed lesser species to pay tribute, because these lesser species may be wiped out by synthetics. Instead of keeping the tribute flowing, the Intelligence stabbed them in the back and harvested the leviathans. Currently we cannot understand an AI, which doesn't follow logic. But that is because we only know primitive computers, which can mimic intelligence by logic. However, theoretically there should be no difference between an artificial intelligence and one driven by a biochemical computer, which we know as a brain. Also, Sov lied to Saren, making him believe that if everyone worked for the Reapers that they'd spare them. Which Sov had no intention of sparing anyone once the others arrived.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Oct 8, 2021 23:45:16 GMT
I disagree on you not being able to trust it. I disagree on trusting it. This is a creature that has cost the lives of innumerable people, the extinction of advanced sentient species, the lives of comrades in arms, men and women of the alliance, friends, potential loved ones and even waged a personal vendetta against Shepard. And now it oh so innocently asks us to choose the option that doesn't kill it, while not even asking its Reapers for a cease fire, during the most crucial moment of any cycle ever. The one moment it would require doing something to earn some fucking trust. So no, there is no display of good will. And it can go fuck itself for the sins and crimes it has committed. There is no justification to keep it alive. It is dangerous, broken and untrustworthy. If you choose Synthesis, the moment the Initiative tries to get back to the Milky Way, it will get steamrolled by the Reapers.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Oct 8, 2021 23:50:50 GMT
I disagree on you not being able to trust it. I disagree on trusting it. This is a creature that has cost the lives of innumerable people, the extinction of advanced sentient species, the lives of comrades in arms, men and women of the alliance, friends, potential loved ones and even waged a personal vendetta against Shepard. And now it oh so innocently asks us to choose the option that doesn't kill it, while not even asking its Reapers for a cease fire, during the most crucial moment of any cycle ever. The one moment it would require doing something to earn some fucking trust. So no, there is no display of good will. And it can go fuck itself for the sins and crimes it has committed. There is no justification to keep it alive. It is dangerous, broken and untrustworthy. If you choose Synthesis, the moment the Initiative tries to get back to the Milky Way, it will get steamrolled by the Reapers. Or converted into thralls like everyone else in the MW post Green.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Oct 8, 2021 23:52:50 GMT
They can't even turn them green, where some semblance of their former self can be retained. What they can. they will turn into husks, hopefully less aware than the Synthesis ones, and the rest will be mercifully killed. But co-existing or surviving the encounter is completely 100% out of the question.
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N5
Sir Nose D'VoidOfFunk
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, Dragon Age The Veilguard
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Post by AngryFrozenWater on Oct 9, 2021 0:00:26 GMT
I disagree on trusting it. This is a creature that has cost the lives of innumerable people, the extinction of advanced sentient species, the lives of comrades in arms, men and women of the alliance, friends, potential loved ones and even waged a personal vendetta against Shepard. And now it oh so innocently asks us to choose the option that doesn't kill it, while not even asking its Reapers for a cease fire, during the most crucial moment of any cycle ever. The one moment it would require doing something to earn some fucking trust. So no, there is no display of good will. And it can go fuck itself for the sins and crimes it has committed. There is no justification to keep it alive. It is dangerous, broken and untrustworthy. If you choose Synthesis, the moment the Initiative tries to get back to the Milky Way, it will get steamrolled by the Reapers. Or converted into thralls like everyone else in the MW post Green. It is interesting that the Intelligence has tried synthesis before, but "it always failed", but rest assured, Shepard can now opt for it. Somehow it will now work. No thanks, I have enough of those eugenic experiments.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Oct 9, 2021 0:05:30 GMT
Or converted into thralls like everyone else in the MW post Green. It is interesting that the Intelligence has tried synthesis before, but "it always failed", but rest assured, Shepard can now opt for it. Somehow it will now work. No thanks, I have enough of those eugenic experiments. And I wonder how many times it tried it, barring that one time.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 9, 2021 1:15:35 GMT
I disagree on you not being able to trust it. They will always do what is the most logical, whereas organics will have hidden agendas or do things that make no sense. For example, have the Reapers ever lied? The answer is no. Even when it comes to a decision that could wipe them out, they're honest. I agree about not leaving it unchecked. After all, even something as benign as making paper clips could lead to the extinction of humanity. You either make them limited, or you make them more like us where they won't see things in just pure logic. EDI even mentions that when discussing the Quarian-Geth conflict. No. The reapers are not honest. They had a simple task: The leviathans needed lesser species to pay tribute, because these lesser species may be wiped out by synthetics. Instead of keeping the tribute flowing, the Intelligence stabbed them in the back and harvested the leviathans. Currently we cannot understand an AI, which doesn't follow logic. But that is because we only know primitive computers, which can mimic intelligence by logic. However, theoretically there should be no difference between an artificial intelligence and one driven by a biochemical computer, which we know as a brain. No, the mission didn’t involve keep the tribute flowing. That was just why they wanted this problem solved. The Leviathans even tell us they didn’t see the Intelligence as going away from it’s mission. They understand the error they made. True, however they made it clear that the Catalyst is the former. As opposed to those like EDI, SAM, and the Geth which evolve to be more the latter. Also, Sov lied to Saren, making him believe that if everyone worked for the Reapers that they'd spare them. Which Sov had no intention of sparing anyone once the others arrived. No, Sovereign never says anything of the sort. And Saren never suggests that. He says he hopes to prove he is worthy of being spared, “a resource worth maintaining.”
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 9, 2021 1:21:01 GMT
I disagree on you not being able to trust it. I disagree on trusting it. This is a creature that has cost the lives of innumerable people, the extinction of advanced sentient species, the lives of comrades in arms, men and women of the alliance, friends, potential loved ones and even waged a personal vendetta against Shepard. And now it oh so innocently asks us to choose the option that doesn't kill it, while not even asking its Reapers for a cease fire, during the most crucial moment of any cycle ever. The one moment it would require doing something to earn some fucking trust. So no, there is no display of good will. And it can go fuck itself for the sins and crimes it has committed. There is no justification to keep it alive. It is dangerous, broken and untrustworthy. If you choose Synthesis, the moment the Initiative tries to get back to the Milky Way, it will get steamrolled by the Reapers. You’re confusing what trust means. There is a difference between trust and approval. You can trust people you don’t approve of, and you can approve of people you don’t trust. As for their atrocious actions, I’m not interested in discussing ethics with war criminals, so let’s keep it to the subject being discussed. Also you’re a liar. Anyone who chooses Destroy trusts it, when that is the option you should trust least from it since that negatively affects them. They literally allow you to point a gun to their head and pull the trigger if you want.
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N5
Sir Nose D'VoidOfFunk
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, Dragon Age The Veilguard
Posts: 3,159 Likes: 9,167
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Post by AngryFrozenWater on Oct 9, 2021 2:13:27 GMT
No, the mission didn’t involve keep the tribute flowing. That was just why they wanted this problem solved. The Leviathans even tell us they didn’t see the Intelligence as going away from it’s mission. They understand the error they made. Let me refresh your memory (it takes a while to read): Tribute does not flow from a dead race.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 9, 2021 2:18:36 GMT
No, the mission didn’t involve keep the tribute flowing. That was just why they wanted this problem solved. The Leviathans even tell us they didn’t see the Intelligence as going away from it’s mission. They understand the error they made. Let me refresh your memory (it takes a while to read): Tribute does not flow from a dead race. Let me refresh your memory: “To solve this problem, we created an intelligence with the mandate to preserve life at any cost.” The Intelligence’s mission was never to worry about tribute, but preserve life. It deemed the Leviathans as worth the cost for that directive. Also: “There was no mistake. It still serves its purpose.” So clearly despite them no longer getting tribute, they don’t see the Catalyst as failing its mission. Which means the tribute wasn’t the mission.
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Sir Nose D'VoidOfFunk
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, Dragon Age The Veilguard
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Post by AngryFrozenWater on Oct 9, 2021 2:23:10 GMT
Let me refresh your memory: “To solve this problem, we created an intelligence with the mandate to preserve life at any cost.” The Intelligence’s mission was never to worry about tribute, but preserve life. It deemed the Leviathans as worth the cost for that directive. Also: “There was no mistake. It still serves its purpose.” So clearly despite them no longer getting tribute, they don’t see the Catalyst as failing its mission. Which means the tribute wasn’t the mission. It is impossible to read what I wrote in a few minutes.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 9, 2021 2:26:22 GMT
Let me refresh your memory: “To solve this problem, we created an intelligence with the mandate to preserve life at any cost.” The Intelligence’s mission was never to worry about tribute, but preserve life. It deemed the Leviathans as worth the cost for that directive. Also: “There was no mistake. It still serves its purpose.” So clearly despite them no longer getting tribute, they don’t see the Catalyst as failing its mission. Which means the tribute wasn’t the mission. It is impossible to read what I wrote in a few minutes. Sure it is. Most of what your post contained are lines from the game I already know, so no need to read them.
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Sir Nose D'VoidOfFunk
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, Dragon Age The Veilguard
Posts: 3,159 Likes: 9,167
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Post by AngryFrozenWater on Oct 9, 2021 2:28:13 GMT
It is impossible to read what I wrote in a few minutes. Sure it is. Most of what your post contained are lines from the game I already know, so no need to read them. I don't want to be rude, so let us end this here.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 9, 2021 2:29:54 GMT
Sure it is. Most of what your post contained are lines from the game I already know, so no need to read them. I don't want to be rude, so let us end this here. You should be able to express your opinion without being rude, so by all means present. Here, I’ll start: Your argument in that link is just your subjective opinion, not objective fact, as those lines can mean other things.
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Sir Nose D'VoidOfFunk
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, Dragon Age The Veilguard
Posts: 3,159 Likes: 9,167
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Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, Dragon Age The Veilguard
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Post by AngryFrozenWater on Oct 9, 2021 2:32:21 GMT
I don't want to be rude, so let us end this here. You should be able to express your opinion without being rude, so by all means present. Here, I’ll start: Your argument in that link is just your subjective opinion, not objective fact, as those lines can mean other things. The point is, you haven't read it.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 9, 2021 2:36:01 GMT
You should be able to express your opinion without being rude, so by all means present. Here, I’ll start: Your argument in that link is just your subjective opinion, not objective fact, as those lines can mean other things. The point is, you haven't read it. I did. I just disagree with you on it.
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Post by themikefest on Oct 9, 2021 2:37:43 GMT
The problem started with Leviathan. They suffer from politician syndrome, the big head, believing everything they say and do without giving any though to the possible consequences. It wasn't until they saw the giant blender going after them they realized they should have put shackles/restrictions on the intelligence.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Oct 9, 2021 2:44:32 GMT
The problem started with Leviathan. They suffer from politician syndrome, the big head, believing everything they say and do without giving any though to the possible consequences. It wasn't until they saw the giant blender going after them they realized they should have put shackles/restrictions on the intelligence. Or better yet, not make the damned thing in the first place. Or even better, tune down on the demands of the tributes so that your thralls don't end up building AIs to help manage with the ever increasing demands of tributes.
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Sir Nose D'VoidOfFunk
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, Dragon Age The Veilguard
Posts: 3,159 Likes: 9,167
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Post by AngryFrozenWater on Oct 9, 2021 2:50:08 GMT
The problem started with Leviathan. They suffer from politician syndrome, the big head, believing everything they say and do without giving any though to the possible consequences. It wasn't until they saw the giant blender going after them they realized they should have put shackles/restrictions on the intelligence. Yes. Unfortunately the Intelligence wasn't programmed. Instead the leviathans presented the Intelligence with their problem to study and implement a solution. The leviathans didn't like that solution when most of them were harvested to create the first reaper.
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