Who is more annoying?

Liara is the only love interest in all four games to actively sabotage the competition. That goes beyond annoying.

The first part of your first sentence is accurate. Liara just...ugh. If BW didn't ram her down our throats as to how important and special she was I probably wouldn't have an issue.

The main difference between Kaiden and Liara is that Kaiden is more likable than Liara and a good fit for either Male or Female Shepard.

Don't like either but for me Taylor is especially annoying. Clone shep had it right when he kicked her off the ship

Dunno if it constitutes as sabotage, but she doesn't tell Ash/Kaidan about Shepard at all in ME2. Again, I don't know if I can use the word sabotage, but it is a pretty rude thing to do. I'd be mad at Liara if I was one of them. Wouldn't you? I was also told that if you romance Liara and then Tali, there will be specfic dialogue with this. I can't confirm this one though.

Yes, women do it in real life. But it makes them unlikable or someone you'd avoid. Which also extends to Liara. Only you can't because Bioware wants you to think she's the best thing in all of creation.

<imagines how Liara would tell the VS about Shep>

Incoming Transmission...

Kaidan, Ash..whichever one Shepard saved on Virmire,

This is just a note to let you know that I saved Shepard's remains from the Collectors. Goddess knows what they wanted with it, but it's all taken care of. No need to thank me. The only belonging with the "body" was a damaged chest-piece, which I'll be adding to my collection. Please don't respond this is a temporary address.

Love and kisses,
L

P.S. I gave the cadaver to Cerberus...they said that they might be able to rebuild it? Anyway it'll save credits on shipping and funeral costs. You can thank me later. Love. L

/end transmission

Maybe with Kaidan, but she didn't exactly have a good relationship with Ash. Also there was no saying that the Lazarus Project would work and the Cerberus connection...I don't think the VS would understand or accept anything she said.

The Tali thing is whatever, I don't really see that as an issue honestly. That's Tali's fault for not saying anything in ME1, if we really wanna play that game. Overall I'm gonna copy and paste a response about Liara I made in a previous thread when talking to Mike about his typical Liara stuff...


"That is correct, all of the writing problems, are Bioware's fault. Every complaint you've ever given about Liara, is Bioware's fault, and not the result of an action she's taken that is consistent with her character. If that was the case, something would be her fault. The problem is, she has no consistent character to judge anything she does. Her only consistent character trait, across the series, is her love of Shepard regardless. I couldn't give two shits about Liara honestly, I'm simply not a raging fan who blames characters for everything I hate about a game.

Hating a character is valid, if they do something that is actually despicable, or makes a choice that goes against their established principles or personal rules they live by. Finally if the character is simply defined by their immoral attitude or actions. Because then they are acting villainous. Hating a character because you can't ask questions, or because she has a piece of armor you don't want her to have, or any of the other things you've listed over the years, is not valid. Because she has no character to judge these actions against, because she was never given a character. Now, since her only trait was "I love Shepard", if she for example, during those two years moved on and got with someone else, then that is a valid reason to hate her. I would disagree with hating her in that situation because I think moving on from a dead loved one in two years is an okay thing to do. However, it would be acceptable to hate her for that, because that is a conscious choice she made, that flies in the face of her only character trait. If she consciously decided to r@pe Shepard at any point, that would be a valid reason to hate her, because she's choosing to do something despicable. But she hasn't, she's never done anything that is villainous, as well as having no character flaws to be critical of.

It is valid to hate Ashley for being Specist, because she is. However it's deeper than that, because the logic she uses to justify that stance, is provably correct. That is a character flaw, that was written into her story, and is thus a valid reason to hate her, but the argument persists because ultimately, she was right in ME3 about the aliens abandoning humanity like you were their dog.

Being critical of art is a very nuanced process sir, and it is absolutely critical that you break things down as far as you possibly can before deciding what the problem is, because your feedback can come from a flawed understanding of the problem, and thus the developer (if they care enough to address it) will apply a fix that does not work, because the feedback they got didn't go far enough in dissecting the core issue. It is Bioware's fault, for ignoring the other characters. Not telling A/K is literally the result of the writer's forgetting the VS even exists, so ofc they don't write anything for that. Hating a character, for the actions, or lack thereof of the writer, is ridiculous. Liara does nothing during the franchise to warrant this type of vitriol and behavior, she just doesn't. She is just as much a victim of Bioware's incompetence as everyone else, because she never got to be her own unique character, because she was written to be the original Rey Skywalker. You guys need to learn to compartmentalize properly, and put the vitriol and blame where it belongs."

No, it doesn't. That armor isn't hers to keep and for all we know, we never had a good relationship with Liara. I never spoke to her at all during ME1 my first playthrough: I had no idea where she was. 

I agree, Tali's feelings for Shepard aren't Liara's to tell. However, Liara admitting she didn't want Tali to be a threat is some catty shit. 

I hope no one is cremated before they die.

See my above Wall O Text. Liara has 1 character trait. Period. "I love Shepard". Weather you like her or not. That's all she has in terms of character development. Given that Bioware forgot everyone except Liara existed, no kidding they gave it to her. Bioware created Rey before Rey ever existed. That is BIoware's fault. 

As for being catty. Big deal, honestly. If you've never felt jealousy in your life then your either Buddha, or it hasn't happened to you yet.