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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2022 0:47:26 GMT
The best outcome, IMO. A tragic comedy lol. This was the outcome my first time through as well, but that was because I took the other route that Regis wanted to avoid, to get the master vampire to summon Detlaff. Geralt learned a hard lesson about asking too many questions on that path. Huh! Well, guess my path is laid before me, I have not summoned Detlaff before with the Pre-Conjunction horror that vampire must be... Thank you! (It will be a good reason to wear the Teshna Mutina armor)
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Post by talyn82 on May 21, 2022 1:54:16 GMT
I have not summoned Detlaff before with the Pre-Conjunction horror that vampire must be... Thank you! Me neither I just followed Regis' plan. My mistake was at a moment of weakness I bought Syanna's childhood ribbon off of the little drug dealer, because I figured Detlaff was going to kill her anyway, but nope I was wrong and the bitch played me. At least Geralt did not give her any of that sweet loving he is famous for.
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Post by talyn82 on May 21, 2022 1:57:24 GMT
This was the outcome my first time through as well, but that was because I took the other route that Regis wanted to avoid, to get the master vampire to summon Detlaff. Geralt learned a hard lesson about asking too many questions on that path. Well anything that scares other vampires my Geralt did not want anything to do with. By the way vampire's like alps, bruxa, and Detlaff give me so much trouble to kill. I died a bunch of times during Detlaff's siege of Beauclair.
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Post by melbella on May 21, 2022 2:22:20 GMT
I have not summoned Detlaff before with the Pre-Conjunction horror that vampire must be... Thank you! Me neither I just followed Regis' plan. My mistake was at a moment of weakness I bought Syanna's childhood ribbon off of the little drug dealer, because I figured Detlaff was going to kill her anyway, but nope I was wrong and the bitch played me. At least Geralt did not give her any of that sweet loving he is famous for.
Buying the ribbon is part of it. The ending can change based on how your conversations with Syanna play out, and also whether you kill Detlaff or let him go.
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Post by talyn82 on May 21, 2022 4:21:28 GMT
Before I give my review on all three games, I have to wrap up the rest of the side quests, Witcher contracts, and treasure hunts in Witcher 3.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2022 4:33:27 GMT
Me neither I just followed Regis' plan. My mistake was at a moment of weakness I bought Syanna's childhood ribbon off of the little drug dealer, because I figured Detlaff was going to kill her anyway, but nope I was wrong and the bitch played me. At least Geralt did not give her any of that sweet loving he is famous for.
Buying the ribbon is part of it. The ending can change based on how your conversations with Syanna play out, and also whether you kill Detlaff or let him go.
Yes, basically you can soften or harden Syanna, and that will have some effect on whether sister murder or not. This last run, I blew it but am ok with it. Did Ribbon/BFFs first, then let Detlaff kill her like she deserved. Forgot that the best ending is them both in a pile of blood
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Post by talyn82 on May 21, 2022 4:41:30 GMT
This last run, I blew it but am ok with it. Did Ribbon/BFFs first, then let Detlaff kill her like she deserved. Forgot that the best ending is them both in a pile of blood Hey now I liked the Duchess I was hoping she'd join Geralt's harem of gorgeous ladies, and Syanna cockblocked him. I still have the save before speaking to the little drug dealer like you suggested. So I'll try some variations to keep the Duchess alive. Geralt looked very hurt at failing to protect the Duchess. He is the worst royal bodyguard ever.
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This last run, I blew it but am ok with it. Did Ribbon/BFFs first, then let Detlaff kill her like she deserved. Forgot that the best ending is them both in a pile of blood Hey now I liked the Duchess I was hoping she'd join Geralt's harem of gorgeous ladies, and Syanna cockblocked him. I still have the save before speaking to the little drug dealer like you suggested. So I'll try some variations to keep the Duchess alive. Geralt looked very hurt at failing to protect the Duchess. He is the worst royal bodyguard ever. There is no sex in the champagne room. Geralt would never kill Detlaff, in ny opinion. So, one of those two has to go, and frankly I found Syanna far more sympathetic than Anna. Anna is a caricature of royalty, and I am fairly certain there is nothing in existence I have more disdain for than Sang Réal.
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Post by talyn82 on May 21, 2022 4:59:19 GMT
There is no sex in the champagne room. Geralt would never kill Detlaff, in ny opinion. So, one of those two has to go, and frankly I found Syanna far more sympathetic than Anna. Anna is a caricature of royalty, and I am fairly certain there is nothing in existence I have more disdain for than Sang Réal. Geralt did not trust Syanna and did not intend to kill Detlaff. The dude was just highly emotional and attacked both Geralt and Regis. But tomorrow night I will see what happens if I ignore the little drug dealer and not buy the ribbon. Syanna is a lying manipulator so is her sister but the difference is. The Duchess payed Geralt 5000 crowns. What it all comes down to a Witcher is how much coin they're going to get paid. Before I played the second and third game I thought the sequels would be about what Geralt does best killing monsters. My Geralt never wanted to get into politics, but alas he was forced into it.
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Post by talyn82 on May 22, 2022 20:43:10 GMT
Yennefer is back!!!! Geralt went home to Corvo Bianco to spend the reward money he got from the Duchess on renovations. When he approaches his home his man servant tells him that a person barged into Geralt's home and did not say anything, and that they were still in there. Geralt goes in to investigate and it's Yennefer!!! Geralt is so whipped by Yennefer it's unbelievable lol. But emotionally Geralt has grown so much from the first game. In the first one he sounded robotic and lifeless. So yeah he and Yennefer have chat outside she mentions bringing the unicorn lol. Do they ever explain in the books how she got her unicorn fetish? Did the last two Witcher contracts on Toussaint. One was helping a noble dickhead. Geralt had to find and kill what monster was burrowing underground his cellar. I forgot the name of what the monster was but Geralt killed it and got his reward. The other contract I had to escort some nature lover to three spots to take pictures of the wildlife. After that was done Geralt got his reward.
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It's been a while, but the way I remember it Beauclear is pretty much fighting a full-scale vampire invasion by the climax of the DLC. We're talking at least dozens, but probably more like hundreds of innocent people attacked and killed in the streets at Detlaff's behest. It's literally the most pressure in terms of civilian casualties per minute that aren't part of an actual faction vs. faction conflict Geralt has ever been under throughout the series. To my mind, the sheer scale of that would be enough to render both Detlaff's and Syanna's lives bought and paid for if either death could end the mayhem. But Detlaff's especially, since Syanna is just a manipulative bitch serial killer, not a mass murderer.
When I play that part of the game, Geralt's thoughts to me run less along the lines of "Which choice can I live with?" and more along the lines of "Which way gets me face to face with Detlaff so I can do something, anything, about him quicker and more reliably?" Which isn't easy to judge under the circumstances, so I usually just pick whichever story branch I want to finish the playthrough on, tone-wise.
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Post by melbella on May 22, 2022 21:11:37 GMT
The other contract I had to escort some nature lover to three spots to take pictures of the wildlife
I really like this one, and the pictures turn out great. Make sure to visit him at his party for a gift.
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Post by talyn82 on May 22, 2022 21:15:06 GMT
The other contract I had to escort some nature lover to three spots to take pictures of the wildlife
I really like this one, and the pictures turn out great. Make sure to visit him at his party for a gift. Yes I did. I got to the party and got the painting as a gift. I agree the paintings did turn out great.
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Post by talyn82 on May 22, 2022 21:19:12 GMT
It's been a while, but the way I remember it Beauclear is pretty much fighting a full-scale vampire invasion by the climax of the DLC. We're talking at least dozens, but probably more like hundreds of innocent people attacked and killed in the streets at Detlaff's behest. It's literally the most pressure in terms of civilian casualties per minute that aren't part of an actual faction vs. faction conflict Geralt has ever been under throughout the series. To my mind, the sheer scale of that would be enough to render both Detlaff's and Syanna's lives bought and paid for if either death could end the mayhem. But Detlaff's especially, since Syanna is just a manipulative bitch serial killer, not a mass murderer. When I play that part of the game, Geralt's thoughts to me run less along the lines of "Which choice can I live with?" and more along the lines of "Which way gets me face to face with Detlaff so I can do something, anything, about him quicker and more reliably?" Which isn't easy to judge under the circumstances, so I usually just pick whichever story branch I want to finish the playthrough on, tone-wise. Don't get me wrong. My Geralt had no problem killing Detlaff it's just that it was not according to his and Regis' plan. He was still trying to follow Regis' plan of bringing Syanna to Detlaff. But in the end Geralt did not lose any sleep over both of their deaths. The only death that seemed to bother him was the Duchess' death.
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It's been a while, but the way I remember it Beauclear is pretty much fighting a full-scale vampire invasion by the climax of the DLC. We're talking at least dozens, but probably more like hundreds of innocent people attacked and killed in the streets at Detlaff's behest. It's literally the most pressure in terms of civilian casualties per minute that aren't part of an actual faction vs. faction conflict Geralt has ever been under throughout the series. To my mind, the sheer scale of that would be enough to render both Detlaff's and Syanna's lives bought and paid for if either death could end the mayhem. But Detlaff's especially, since Syanna is just a manipulative bitch serial killer, not a mass murderer. When I play that part of the game, Geralt's thoughts to me run less along the lines of "Which choice can I live with?" and more along the lines of "Which way gets me face to face with Detlaff so I can do something, anything, about him quicker and more reliably?" Which isn't easy to judge under the circumstances, so I usually just pick whichever story branch I want to finish the playthrough on, tone-wise. "Kill the puppet, spare the master."
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Post by Noxluxe on May 22, 2022 21:43:09 GMT
"Kill the puppet, spare the master." I don't remember Syanna telling Detlaff to sic an army of vampires on a city full of innocent people, and even if she had, he's still responsible for his own actions. My girlfriend making a mess of my head wouldn't magically exonerate me of any blame for gathering a bunch of psychos and shooting up her hometown. Besides, Geralt doesn't "spare" Syanna. She's caught and put on trial for her crimes, as she should. That the judge is hopelessly biased and doesn't actually give a damn about justice isn't his fault. My games usually end with all three of them dead, and Beauclair a more cynical and disillusioned place for it. Which I personally feel is objectively the best outcome.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2022 21:56:18 GMT
His terms were clear, Anna Henrietta ignored them and found out. I told her, without mincing words, what would happen and her worship had no effs to give. Gigantic shoulder shrug for me at that point. People breed like rabbits or virii, the romantics in Beauclair will find comfort in a warm embrace soon enough and there will be a baby boom after the massacre.
Syanna put every piece on the board, and set their moves. She is the responsible party in my opinion... and no I don't like the mass murder either, it is too much. However, the terms were clear and had Anna acquiesced to the terms, the results would have ultimately been the same as the (dead/ribboned Syanna, jailed/Hero Geralt, Reunited/dead/pissy Duquessa, dead/Beauclair Privileges Revoked Detlaff) without the loss of hundreds/thousands of her vassals.
The beauty of the quest plot design here is that they have us in a Kobayashi Maru. Everyone is the asshole, and your choice of least offensive asshole will have consequences, and there is no escape.
I also like the "they're all dead holy shit wtf" ending... You're right the reactions from the common folk are worth it!
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Post by talyn82 on May 22, 2022 22:23:06 GMT
I also like the "they're all dead holy shit wtf" ending You captured my reaction perfectly.
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Post by Blast Processor on May 23, 2022 19:45:36 GMT
This last run, I blew it but am ok with it. Did Ribbon/BFFs first, then let Detlaff kill her like she deserved. Forgot that the best ending is them both in a pile of blood Hey now I liked the Duchess I was hoping she'd join Geralt's harem of gorgeous ladies, and Syanna cockblocked him. I still have the save before speaking to the little drug dealer like you suggested. So I'll try some variations to keep the Duchess alive. Geralt looked very hurt at failing to protect the Duchess. He is the worst royal bodyguard ever. Haha. the Dutchess is already in Dandelion's harem, you wouldn't do that to Dandelion would you?
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Post by Blast Processor on May 23, 2022 20:12:39 GMT
I feel like I have more sympathy for Syanna than some, she was beaten and left for dead as a small child. The only people she has killed other than potentially Anna are directly responsible for that. Sure the Knights were following orders, too bad there Duke ordered them to do something fucked up, and now they are paying for it. Oh well. There plight is pretty low on my sympathy meter. Any sympathy I had for Dettlaff went out the window the second he attacked the city. Felt bad for Regis though.
I do find it interesting that Syanna seems to have suffered a helluva lot less than Renfri, whom the character is inspired/based. I imagine to make things more morally muddled for the player.
As for the endings I usually go with the good ending as Geralt is finally treated like the goddamn hero that he is. They're all well crafted in my opinion. Though I've come around on the Syanna dies/Dutchess lives ending for one particular scene.
I love this scene. Best Dandelion moment in the games.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2022 20:13:48 GMT
Hey now I liked the Duchess I was hoping she'd join Geralt's harem of gorgeous ladies, and Syanna cockblocked him. I still have the save before speaking to the little drug dealer like you suggested. So I'll try some variations to keep the Duchess alive. Geralt looked very hurt at failing to protect the Duchess. He is the worst royal bodyguard ever. Haha. the Dutchess is already in Dandelion's harem, you wouldn't do that to Dandelion would you? Bro Code. And I also do find Syanna the far more sympathetic character, for the reasons you listed. She got the short end of the stick by a mile. As a first born son who decided to remove himself from the will of one side of my parents, sometimes "mantles" aren't worth it and sometimes your parents are simply bad people. Anna had ample opportunity to make things right. She sucks.
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Post by talyn82 on May 23, 2022 20:21:04 GMT
Haha. the Dutchess is already in Dandelion's harem, you wouldn't do that to Dandelion would you? Nope never Dandelion is my brother. I had forgotten at the time that Dandelion had already conquered her.
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Post by talyn82 on May 23, 2022 20:26:42 GMT
I feel like I have more sympathy for Syanna than some, she was beaten and left for dead as a small child. The only people she has killed other than potentially Anna are directly responsible for that. Sure the Knights were following orders, too bad there Duke ordered them to do something fucked up, and now they are paying for it. Oh well. There plight is pretty low on my sympathy meter. Any sympathy I had for Dettlaff went out the window the second he attacked the city. Felt bad for Regis though. I do find it interesting that Syanna seems to have suffered a helluva lot less than Renfri, whom the character is inspired/based. I imagine to make things more morally muddled for the player. As for the endings I usually go with the good ending as Geralt is finally treated like the goddamn hero that he is. They're all well crafted in my opinion. Though I've come around on the Syanna dies/Dutchess lives ending for one particular scene. I love this scene. Best Dandelion moment in the games. First the Duchess can live? How? Also when Syanna spoke about her past I did sympathize with her which is why I bought back her ribbon, but my thinking was if she can trick a higher vampire like Detlaff, what's to stop her from tricking Geralt? Also you mentioned Renfri when Geralt mentioned that name it bugged me. I did not remember where I had heard that name. I googled it and she's not only from the books but she appeared in an episode of the netflix series, which I then remembered having watched it years ago. I also remember sympathizing with that character and never knowing if she was tricking Geralt or not.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2022 20:33:24 GMT
I feel like I have more sympathy for Syanna than some, she was beaten and left for dead as a small child. The only people she has killed other than potentially Anna are directly responsible for that. Sure the Knights were following orders, too bad there Duke ordered them to do something fucked up, and now they are paying for it. Oh well. There plight is pretty low on my sympathy meter. Any sympathy I had for Dettlaff went out the window the second he attacked the city. Felt bad for Regis though. I do find it interesting that Syanna seems to have suffered a helluva lot less than Renfri, whom the character is inspired/based. I imagine to make things more morally muddled for the player. As for the endings I usually go with the good ending as Geralt is finally treated like the goddamn hero that he is. They're all well crafted in my opinion. Though I've come around on the Syanna dies/Dutchess lives ending for one particular scene. I love this scene. Best Dandelion moment in the games. First the Duchess can live? How? Also when Syanna spoke about her past I did sympathize with her which is why I bought back her ribbon, but my thinking was if she can trick a higher vampire like Detlaff, what's to stop her from tricking Geralt? Also you mentioned Renfri when Geralt mentioned that name it bugged me. I did not remember where I had heard that name. I googled it and she's not only from the books but she appeared in an episode of the netflix series, which I then remembered having watched it years ago. I also remember sympathizing with that character and never knowing if she was tricking Geralt or not. Oops.... Ummm... Yes? If you soften Syanna, give her the ribbon, and maybe some other conditions, the sisters hug it out at the end. I think the real key is your turn in conversation when talking about their childhood. You have to represent Anna as the child she was, and remind her that they used to play together all the time and look out for one another.
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Post by talyn82 on May 23, 2022 20:39:55 GMT
Lol, that's alright nothing was spoiled I figured there had to be a way to save the Duchess, I was just not sure we could. Now I have to find out what to do to make that happen.
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