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Post by MegaIllusiveMan on Nov 9, 2022 2:32:13 GMT
I don’t think it is a Mass Relay, or at least not the kind of Mass Relays we know. We see in the Extended Cut that they are already being repaired and it is fully supported by all races. So the Council wouldn’t be furious at humanity for that. I mean, the Council is always furious On a serious note, though, the problem could be not reparing, but building one. See, the whole Relay theory goes "If there's a relay here, it connects to Primary ones and Secondary Ones". There's everything to know about the Relay Network and people really don't mess around with dormant ones. But let's say we're building an intergalactic Relay. One that still transports mass, but it doesn't have that connection (Primary or Secondary), because there isn't the knowledge on the other side on how to make one (As far as we know). So, it's Shanxi all over again, but this time we could be opening the galaxy - that has been saved from Reapers after a costly war - to some other kind of threat that no one knows what it is. To further clarify it, think of it not as a point-to-point connection, but somewhat as a portal: People could go through, but things could come through as well. This new thing is constructed after some long observation and with help with that Geth Telescope from the comics that was studying the Andromeda galaxy.
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Post by ahglock on Nov 9, 2022 3:22:32 GMT
What's great about this stuff so early in development is it can basically be ignored. You can shape everything here into any story you want. Meanwhile fans scurry around trying to make sense of something that likely doesn't even exist yet at even a story level.
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Post by ClarkKent on Nov 9, 2022 10:28:12 GMT
What's great about this stuff so early in development is it can basically be ignored. You can shape everything here into any story you want. Meanwhile fans scurry around trying to make sense of something that likely doesn't even exist yet at even a story level. I hope so but it seems like they are really pressing ahead with the combine the galaxy thing.
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Post by saandrig on Nov 9, 2022 13:16:01 GMT
What's great about this stuff so early in development is it can basically be ignored. You can shape everything here into any story you want. Meanwhile fans scurry around trying to make sense of something that likely doesn't even exist yet at even a story level. I hope so but it seems like they are really pressing ahead with the combine the galaxy thing. Andromeda is still free real estate. We only saw one cluster of it.
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Post by GalentheYounger on Nov 9, 2022 13:20:26 GMT
The conversation between Liara and the geth in the clean transmission starts right as the ripple goes past the 'camera'. Gamble tweeted that it isn't just a ripple of visual distortion. I suspect the ripple is a cloaked ship. Liara and her geth friend are on the ship. This conversation starts as they fly their ship towards what turns out, they discover, to be a new non-Reaper mass relay being constructed by humanity. This sounds like Liara and the other being discovering for the first time that this mass relay is being built. Ig they were on a scouting mission or came to investigate sus activity in the area. as they flew their ship towards it, the relay would have come into [their] view. mr geth notices it and says so to Liara. Liara is then confirming that she also sees it, and then she sounds mad at herself (and possibly also the group she is now affiliated with) for not seeing this before/realizing that something this huge was going on. and the council will be mad because I'm willing to bet, making a new mass relay isn't legal. but ofc humans gonna human, so these humans, whoever they are, built one anyway I don't think it's a Geth "friend", but I think Liara intercepted a Geth transmission? Call me crazy, but my God the second line of the mysterious voice sounds like Jennifer Hale. It's the "don't suppose" and I can't make out the rest. Came back to this thread specifically to respond to this comment. Maybe it's the graduate student haze, maybe it's my wishful thinking - but I listened to the transmission three times and I agree, that line was delivered by someone else other than Liara, and it sure as hell does sound like FShep. As a woman with a deeper voice as well I really loved Hale as Shephard and I know it pretty well - so it's probably my wishful thinking.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 9, 2022 13:48:10 GMT
I hope so but it seems like they are really pressing ahead with the combine the galaxy thing. Andromeda is still free real estate. We only saw one cluster of it. Same can be said about the Milky Way, right? Only 1% was explored.
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Post by ahglock on Nov 9, 2022 15:41:16 GMT
What's great about this stuff so early in development is it can basically be ignored. You can shape everything here into any story you want. Meanwhile fans scurry around trying to make sense of something that likely doesn't even exist yet at even a story level. I hope so but it seems like they are really pressing ahead with the combine the galaxy thing.
People see what they want to see and what they fear. They have released basically nothing. Lets say this line is actually in the game. For all we know Liara could be a big celebrity now and this was a TV add for a new flavor of pop tarts with the role of the toaster being given to a geth voice.
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Post by UutIVvdPw7END0Ef on Nov 9, 2022 21:51:32 GMT
If that is not a Mass Relay then atleast the circular design could imply Quarian involvement especially considering the ship captain's name, tho the color scheme suggests it's Cerberus and those two don't really have a good history. As for the "<REDACTED>" part, Liara is the Benefactor confirmed?!  Also important reminder that Liara can die in ME3 "Priority: Earth" if you bring her with you, so either it's a retcon, or set between ME2 and ME3, or this Liara is actually a clone using Thorian or Lazarus, more likely Lazarus considering her involvement in that project and that a Thorian clone would've had a green skin like Shiala.
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Post by azarhal on Nov 9, 2022 23:24:12 GMT
Also important reminder that Liara can die in ME3 "Priority: Earth" if you bring her with you, so either it's a retcon, or set between ME2 and ME3, or this Liara is actually a clone using Thorian or Lazarus, more likely Lazarus considering her involvement in that project and that a Thorian clone would've had a green skin like Shiala. She seems to be talking to a Geth, so we can summarize that BioWare decided to go with their version of a ME3 ending instead of supporting every possibilities.
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Post by Shinobu on Nov 10, 2022 1:46:53 GMT
I don't think it's a Geth "friend", but I think Liara intercepted a Geth transmission? Call me crazy, but my God the second line of the mysterious voice sounds like Jennifer Hale. It's the "don't suppose" and I can't make out the rest. Came back to this thread specifically to respond to this comment. Maybe it's the graduate student haze, maybe it's my wishful thinking - but I listened to the transmission three times and I agree, that line was delivered by someone else other than Liara, and it sure as hell does sound like FShep. As a woman with a deeper voice as well I really loved Hale as Shephard and I know it pretty well - so it's probably my wishful thinking. I thought so, too, but Bioware wouldn't make Femshep canon. I think it's just distortion making Liara's voice deeper.
I wondered why Liara could understand a geth and it turns out he's speaking through a translator (i.e., in English). They are watching the surveillance footage together.
The ripple is indeed a ship and apparently not just any stealth ship.
[ripple] [geth] [unintelligible] The Normandy [Liara] I can see it. How did we miss this?
[geth] [unintelligible] [Liara] Exactly. The Council will be furious. Although they should know by now not to underestimate human defiance. It always was their most endearing trait.
[geth] [unintelligible]
So whoever the humans are on the Normandy, they were apparently forbidden by the Council to go to this place where the relay is being built, but went anyway. Liara sounds fond but exasperated.
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Post by NotN7 on Nov 10, 2022 2:10:47 GMT
Came back to this thread specifically to respond to this comment. Maybe it's the graduate student haze, maybe it's my wishful thinking - but I listened to the transmission three times and I agree, that line was delivered by someone else other than Liara, and it sure as hell does sound like FShep. As a woman with a deeper voice as well I really loved Hale as Shephard and I know it pretty well - so it's probably my wishful thinking. I thought so, too, but Bioware wouldn't make Femshep canon. I think it's just distortion making Liara's voice deeper.
I wondered why Liara could understand a geth and it turns out he's speaking through a translator (i.e., in English). They are watching the surveillance footage together.
The ripple is indeed a ship and apparently not just any stealth ship.
[ripple] [geth] [unintelligible] The Normandy [Liara] I can see it. How did we miss this?
[geth] [unintelligible] [Liara] Exactly. The Council will be furious. Although they should know by now not to underestimate human defiance. It always was their most endearing trait.
[geth] [unintelligible]
So whoever the humans are on the Normandy, they were apparently forbidden by the Council to go to this place where the relay is being built, but went anyway. Liara sounds fond but exasperated.
If you want to see/hear for yourself:
Hmmmmm? makes me think and wonder what the Geth said about the stealth ship and wonder what happened when Liara said how did I/we miss this and that the council will be furious and to never underestimate the humans something must have happened in my mind after the ending of the Reapers.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 10, 2022 2:33:44 GMT
How did we miss this? Well t'soni, it's not that hard. You did miss knowing your species were hiding an artifact on your homeworld. Then again you were never a very good broker, right? The council will be furious. Who cares? I don't. Maybe they're upset that Cerberus is building a relay? Maybe they're furious that Shepard has a fancy ship to fly around on while the council has crap. Maybe they're upset because Shepard took the SR2 to the local chop shop to repaint the Normandy with Cerberus colors.
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Post by MegaIllusiveMan on Nov 10, 2022 2:51:43 GMT
I don't think it's a Geth "friend", but I think Liara intercepted a Geth transmission? Call me crazy, but my God the second line of the mysterious voice sounds like Jennifer Hale. It's the "don't suppose" and I can't make out the rest. Came back to this thread specifically to respond to this comment. Maybe it's the graduate student haze, maybe it's my wishful thinking - but I listened to the transmission three times and I agree, that line was delivered by someone else other than Liara, and it sure as hell does sound like FShep. As a woman with a deeper voice as well I really loved Hale as Shephard and I know it pretty well - so it's probably my wishful thinking. To be fair, Jenniffer Hale is everywhere nowadays, as was Mark Meer on the other games with Vorcha/Hanar and other NPCs. Personally, that's just me not wanting Shepard back, because there is no more story to tell and it actually blocks what's intersting on a RPG: playing other characters. Plus, it would be basically dropping everything from Andromeda and say "well, that didn't work out, so let's go back to Shepard because it's a right-o with the fans". Also important reminder that Liara can die in ME3 "Priority: Earth" if you bring her with you, so either it's a retcon, or set between ME2 and ME3, or this Liara is actually a clone using Thorian or Lazarus, more likely Lazarus considering her involvement in that project and that a Thorian clone would've had a green skin like Shiala. She seems to be talking to a Geth, so we can summarize that BioWare decided to go with their version of a ME3 ending instead of supporting every possibilities. I mean, people kind of assume that we don't have a canon version, but we do have discarded versions. For example, Shepard can die in the Suicide Mission on ME2, Liara can be the last recruited squadmate, but yet she goes on a personal quest to bring you back from the dead, the refusal ending is there just because and the story feels somewhat incomplete without certain squadmates, like the Citadel DLC and Wrex, which leads to the Genophage being cured at least. Thing is, if we move forward with the story, they have the option to go the Dragon Age route, where everything is somewhat tied with previous choices, pick a default state for the galaxy or write around the endings and make a conversation to explain what happened after the Reaper War.
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Post by hulluliini on Nov 10, 2022 10:12:28 GMT
I can live with it if they decide to canonize/retcon. I stopped feeling like my choices mattered ever since I launched ME2 for the first time. It was so many years ago, I've gotten over it by now. It's Bioware's show now and you take it or leave it.
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Post by bshep on Nov 11, 2022 1:51:29 GMT
Also important reminder that Liara can die in ME3 "Priority: Earth" if you bring her with you, so either it's a retcon, or set between ME2 and ME3, or this Liara is actually a clone using Thorian or Lazarus, more likely Lazarus considering her involvement in that project and that a Thorian clone would've had a green skin like Shiala. She seems to be talking to a Geth, so we can summarize that BioWare decided to go with their version of a ME3 ending instead of supporting every possibilities. Finally. This is a necessary step to move the story forward.
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Post by Grog Muffins on Nov 11, 2022 7:09:22 GMT
Came back to this thread specifically to respond to this comment. Maybe it's the graduate student haze, maybe it's my wishful thinking - but I listened to the transmission three times and I agree, that line was delivered by someone else other than Liara, and it sure as hell does sound like FShep. As a woman with a deeper voice as well I really loved Hale as Shephard and I know it pretty well - so it's probably my wishful thinking. I thought so, too, but Bioware wouldn't make Femshep canon. I think it's just distortion making Liara's voice deeper.
I wondered why Liara could understand a geth and it turns out he's speaking through a translator (i.e., in English). They are watching the surveillance footage together.
The ripple is indeed a ship and apparently not just any stealth ship.
[ripple] [geth] [unintelligible] The Normandy [Liara] I can see it. How did we miss this?
[geth] [unintelligible] [Liara] Exactly. The Council will be furious. Although they should know by now not to underestimate human defiance. It always was their most endearing trait.
[geth] [unintelligible]
So whoever the humans are on the Normandy, they were apparently forbidden by the Council to go to this place where the relay is being built, but went anyway. Liara sounds fond but exasperated.
If you want to see/hear for yourself:
The thing about stealth tech in ME is that the ships don't become invisible. Their heat emissions are masked and thus can't be picked up by sensors but they can still be spotted visually. If that monitoring station is picking up visuals, the ship would still be visible. If it's picking up sensor data and THEN converting that to visuals, I suppose this would be possible. Overall, I do agree to take this with a grain of salt, it's pure marketing fluff to keep the fanbase invested.
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Post by UutIVvdPw7END0Ef on Nov 11, 2022 12:23:44 GMT
If they did retcon her death, then why didn't they change "Priority: Earth" mission in MELE so that she didn't die?, did they think we won't notice or the writers forgot about it?, which is why I lean towards it being set between ME2-3 or Liara being a clone if it is set after ME3.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Nov 11, 2022 12:50:22 GMT
If they did retcon her death, then why didn't they change "Priority: Earth" mission in MELE so that she didn't die?, did they think we won't notice or the writers forgot about it?, which is why I lean towards it being set between ME2-3 or Liara being a clone if it is set after ME3. More than likely they reconed it out of existence of pulled some BS saying she survived somehow.
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Post by UutIVvdPw7END0Ef on Nov 11, 2022 13:07:02 GMT
If they did retcon her death, then why didn't they change "Priority: Earth" mission in MELE so that she didn't die?, did they think we won't notice or the writers forgot about it?, which is why I lean towards it being set between ME2-3 or Liara being a clone if it is set after ME3. More than likely they reconed it out of existence of pulled some BS saying she survived somehow. "Somehow Liara returned."
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Post by Son of Dorn on Nov 11, 2022 13:34:06 GMT
More than likely they reconed it out of existence of pulled some BS saying she survived somehow. "Somehow Liara returned." Then again, it's not like Bio hasn't pulled that off before. They do it most of time in Dragon Age.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 11, 2022 13:39:56 GMT
If they did retcon her death, then why didn't they change "Priority: Earth" mission in MELE so that she didn't die?, did they think we won't notice or the writers forgot about it?, which is why I lean towards it being set between ME2-3 or Liara being a clone if it is set after ME3. Why? Maybe to have her steal someone else's armor to put on display as a trophy. If you believe the game might take place between 2-3, then what explanation is used to explain the reapers on the planet seen in the teaser? t'soni being a clone? Possible since the character's voice in the audio clip sounds robotic. What's interesting is even though ems has to be low for Harbinger to vaporize the asari, the memorial wall scene still happens with her name on it and the galaxy is rebuilt. If she is in the next ME game, Bioware made that playthrough invalid. It will be interesting to see/hear what other stuff they made invalid.
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Post by UutIVvdPw7END0Ef on Nov 11, 2022 14:12:36 GMT
The Reapers on that frozen planet could be just dead Reapers from the previous extinction like the Derelict Reaper and Leviathan of Dis, so it can be set between ME2-3.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 11, 2022 14:31:08 GMT
The Reapers on that frozen planet could be just dead Reapers from the previous extinction like the Derelict Reaper and Leviathan of Dis, so it can be set between ME2-3. That has a piece of N7 armor on it.
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Post by abedsbrother on Nov 11, 2022 20:07:11 GMT
Here's one thing that bothers me from the Liara clip: why would the Council be overly familiar with human defiance? The only faction that is actively "defied" throughout the trilogy is the Reapers.
Here's another thing: The Geth are alive. Therefore Destroy is not canon. I have seen it said that the "red space magic" might only target Reapers, not other AIs, but iirc the Geth only survive if Legion completes the Reaper code upload. Whether they then wipe out the Quarians or make peace with them, the Reaper code is uploaded. They would be wiped out by Destroy. Destroy is not canon. Which means the Reapers, as a consciousness at least, have survived.
(Incidentally, as indicated by the ship captain's name in the lower-left corner of the relay picture, the Quarians are also alive. Which means peace between the Geth & Quarians is canon, and the Reaper code upload to the Geth was allowed to complete.)
Therefore, either Synthesis or Control is canon. The Reapers will be present in ME5. Perhaps they, in the form of the enhanced Starchild (now melded with Shepard's consciousness), are meddling with the Council. That would be why they (the Council) should be well-acquainted with "human defiance."
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Post by bshep on Nov 11, 2022 21:21:19 GMT
Reapers are dead as shown in the last year's trailer and now we have living Geth talking with Liara. To me it is more likely Bioware decided to run the next game with their own version of the canon, where Reapers were killed while Geth somehow survived to move the story forward without killing off a whole species.
Hell i wouldn't even be surprised if they later come up and say Racnhi are also alive and well.
And truth be told this wouldn't be much of a surprised, as Son of Dorn mentioned Bioware did pull this with Dragon Age before.
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