Mystery and Night - The last two Old Gods, the last remaining sealed Evanuris.

It is possible they are different but the two that Rook just released have to be Evanuris. I wonder if there is anything to the fact that they renamed them. The Dalish always distinguished between the two groups as Creators and Forgotten Ones. Technically if one group ruled over the elves and the other group led the ones who opposed them, then all of them are really Evanuris, since it just means "Leaders". Naturally Solas would always refer to them in that way because he didn't regard them as gods, just tyrants.

It may be that originally the Old Gods were meant to equate to the Forgotten Ones since they are trapped underground but the 2022 trailer seemed to link the elven gods being shut away with the Blight and thus more likely to be some sort of alter ego or split soul dragon in the Deep Roads.

It is possible that the Old Gods were some sort of chosen of the Evanuris since it does say in the codex in ToM that the to fly in the form of the divine  (as a dragon?) was reserved for the gods and their chosen.

Yes the concept of the 2 Dragon are the old gods. But i don't think you change your concept from one to the other. And the dev. says the story stand from joplin. So if we now see the evanuris and the story didn't change...
It is what we think all the time. The 2 realised are only there spirits and the dragons are there bodys.



My little theory is that the forgotten one lead the elven first and the pantheon came after it. Because of the story with the sun.

I think they were but not necessarily the High Priest of each god. Corypheus only appeared to take that name around the time of the ritual, as though performing it gave him that status. That would appear to be contradicted by Hessarian but the southern Divine thought the Canticle of Silence was just propaganda by him against his political enemies, which given it criticised the Old God religion I must assume was an accurate assessment since she had no reason to wish to make them look less culpable. I am not clear where Corypheus conducted the ritual either but it may well have been down south and not in Minrathous, but in some part of his own home rather than the temple to Dumat. This being the case, like him the other participants representing their various Old Gods may have been lesser clergy trying to gain greater status through co-operating with him.

I don't think an Avvar would agree to such a ritual to attempt to break into the home of the gods by force. I think they would have had more respect than that.

It's possible also that the Evanuris and Forgotten Ones could be shared aspects of each other, similar to the Uru and Skeksis of The Dark Crystal series. Once were singular beings, the Urskeks, their experimentation on the eponymous crystal split them into two individuals, one passive and serene, the other emotional and active (eventually leading the Uru being the "good" aspects and the Skeksis the "evil"). This could track well with the idea that the Evanuris or the Forgotten Ones being the Tevinter Old Gods by different names, with their spirits trapped within the Fade and their bodies trapped slumbering in the Deep Roads.

This is possible. However, I have wondered if Mythal didn't want to capture all the old god souls or just Urthemiel specifically. Mythal was renowned for her cities (according to the codex about Sylaise) and the high priest of Urthemiel was known as the Architect of Beauty. That sounds more to me like a god known for creating beautiful structures rather than just physical beauty. His feast day also fell at the end of winter and signified rebirth and restoration of growth in the world. Perhaps she wanted to save him because when their world was restored (by Fen'Harel) she wanted him to help rebuild it.

I'm guessing the old petrification spell doesn't work on Evanuris. Still, I wonder if it will be like Felassan's story and they will start fighting over who gets to exact revenge on him first, during which Fen'Harel exits stage left. Alternatively, may be they will transform him actually into a Wolf and then make him into a statue.

I just realised that possibly Andruil's vallaslin in DAI may actually reflect a memory of this goddess. Look at the tentacles wrapped over her bow head and then look at this image.  Those aren't plant roots and foliage, they are tentacles and the pointed weapon isn't an arrow but her spear:

I really hope the Elven Gods ain't the Old Gods.

In this Video she talks about the 2 so I paste it here.

I was thinking already because of the 2020 mural art showing Solas inverted from these 2 gods that as they escape Solas is going to get pulled through and imprisoned...I wonder if that is what's being shown at around 14:20.