Mystery and Night - The last two Old Gods, the last remaining sealed Evanuris.

Definitely.  I don't mind being wrong as long as the writer's do it in a way that makes sense...I just need logical consistency.

To go further down the Ghilan'nain rabbit hole I think she was/is a major schemer who may have manipulated Andruil into elevating her...and got the other gods to murder Mythal.  The Real Housewives of Arlathan. 

I have way less confidence in the other one as Dirthamen...because there is much less info. That was more a rather obscure connection between he and Ghilan'nain and him being the god of secrets than anything really concrete...and predicated on those two gods working together in the coming game...which is not a given and is likely to be the opposite. Alternatively if Ghilan'nain is the great schemer who wanted to be elevated to Elgar'nan's side, then she'd have to eliminate Mythal. Maybe after the fact the other elven gods learned of her treachery and cursed her into the monstrous form we see...or she just f*cked up one of her crazy experiments and did it to herself.

Quoting from news discussion thread due to relevance.


I'm probably 50/50 on righty being Elgar'nan or Dirthamin myself. And I agree with lefty being Ghilan'nain.

But I don't think the evil daughter/evil father connection works. There's no version of Ghilan'nain's story where Elgar'nan is her father and Mythal her mother like other Elven gods. In dalish myth she is an Andruil worshipper elevated for her faith. In the Temple of Mythal mosaics she is the monster maker with whom Andruil bargained power/status for reprieve from said monsters. If they must be a pair (and I'm not convinced they need to be) it would make more sense to pair Ghilan'nain with Andruil because she brings her into the fold in both versions of the tale, with June because they're both outsiders based on the "he made himself" story, or Dirthamin because of that mural all over Inquisition of a Bear (the animal honoured by dirthamen in dalish tales) embracing a woman with halla horns. Since I'm not aware of any reason to pair Ghilan'nain with Elgar'nan, I'd assume it was Dirthamin based on the vallaslin matching, if they had to be a pair.

But I don't think the two have to be paired (neither their statues nor their positions on the in game cinematic tamborine are next to each other, nor are they opposite each other), and since the dude on the right's symbol was at the centre and in a bigger semi circle in the Varric's in game cinematic exposition, I can still see him being elgar'nan without needing to be paired with Ghilan'nain.

If the Old Gods and the Evanuris being the same is the case, then why is it that FleMythal bent on vengeance wants them preserved through rebirth and why does Solas seem to loathe the Wardens for killing them when that would probably make his goals easier?

I will say that it does seem to fit, though. 7 out of 9, minus Mythal and Solas. 5 Blights = Only two Evanuris appear.

It's been so long since I've been involved in this series that I completely forgot that she comes to collect it.

Actually the Old God goes to her. Kieran seemed to be getting troublesome dreams, likely Mythal contacting him through the Fade, and that is why he used the eluvian to go find her, which Morrigan says ought not to have been possible for him as a child but clearly the Old God took charge and altered its destination to the Fade instead of the Crossroads.

Of course, OGB Kieran doesn't always exist in every world state, which is why its significance is likely reduced from what it could have been, unless of course the Warden killing the Arch-demon without the dark ritual simply allowed the soul its freedom to go wherever it wished, rather than destroying it as the Grey Wardens thought would be the case. That is the principle reason why I think Solas was opposed to killing them because it would likely make its companion "god" in the Fade/Void stronger as a result of them reuniting.

Something that also needs to be addressed but they may overlook for convenience, is that Mythal placed something into the eluvian immediately before Solas arrived and she does this regardless of whether she absorbed the OGB or not. However, when we were in the ToM, there was a water spirit that rose up to confront Cory and then went into the eluvian. This could well have reunited with Flemeth/Mythal and that is how she knew someone had drunk from the Well because the spirit had been freed by that action. Then it was this spirit that she put into the eluvian. It is quite possible that there was more than one piece of Mythal scattered around the place, so the bit still within Flemeth was what passed to Solas but another bit (the spirit from the Well) is still free. She may have sent it to unite with Morrigan or it may be waiting to unite with someone else. There was some hint of a ghostly presence that will help us with crafting items. Perhaps it will be this spirit of Mythal.

The Dalish in Skyhold after the Temple of Mythal I think are in awe of it but the elf who says he has dreams of Mythal is a servant in Val Royeaux. Interestingly, he was with the Dalish as a child. 

I mentioned in another thread (I think Schmooples) the elves gathering to Solas' side at the end of Trespasser may be a red herring or at least a part of them aren't going to him, but to another entity, and preparing for something else, either to oppose Solas or to wait for him to do what he needs to do and then come in and clean up or rebuild. Could be Mythal or what's left of her, could be Morrigan, could be someone else entirely.

Have you read my latest entry on the Crazy Theory Thread? I tried to combine all the examples of elves gathering/heading for Arlathan Forest and the link with the Freemarches. It is possible they were heading to Arlathan because they were prompted to do so by messages in their dreams that may or may not have been Solas. Certainly, it could have been Mythal instead of him. Or even another entity. Also, we know there at least one other remnant of ancient elves in Thedas, those strange elves of the Tirashan. Well the certainly aren't Dalish anyway. Perhaps they are the Forgotten Ones worshipers who were driven out of the Dales as heretics and evil doers by the Dalish priesthood before the fall of the Dales. Solas also told Abelas that there were other ancient elves he and the sentinels could join, presumably aligned to Mythal or the Dread Wolf. Why shouldn't there be other enclaves who were loyal to the pantheon of gods? Still, I assume that Solas wasn't particularly fussy over who might be drawn there so long as it would enable him to save them. Likely they are holed up in some sanctuary awaiting the fall of the Veil and the return of the gods.

Strangely enough, one strand of Dalish belief was that when they remembered what it was to be a true elf, the gods would return. Essentially, they would seem to be talking of the Veil coming down even though they weren't aware of it. They thought it was contingent on them recovering their culture but of course the link was actually more direct. Simultaneously they would recover whatever was lost to them by the Veil and the gods would be freed (unless of course Solas had some contingency plan that would prevent this).

Well, damn. I was sure it was Andruil.