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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Nov 2, 2016 20:49:45 GMT
Go on the record before the answer is revealed on November 7th! What is your theory/guess at when the Ark project was started and when the completion date or departure date was, relative to the trilogy?
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Nov 2, 2016 21:01:48 GMT
My theory is that the Ark project was started long before ME1. Earth didn't like being reliant on the "alien" Mass Effect relay network and/or wanted to go grab some of the unexplored territory in the galaxy, free from Council species influence. Then, as evidence mounted of some kind of really bad alien invasion happening -- maybe right before or after the Suicide Mission in ME2 -- the Ark project was retasked to be a Plan B in case Shepard failed at allying the Council races against the Reapers. Hedging against extinction of the human race.
It's still an open question about when the other Council races joined in the Ark project, since that's been semi-confirmed in Twitter. Maybe when it was retasked, to be a lifeboat for everybody willing to pitch in? Maybe that's why there are so many Arks, one for each species?
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Post by dalinne on Nov 2, 2016 21:03:02 GMT
I voted for "Start of ME2/prematurely just as Earth is invaded by Reapers"
Altough, I think the construction started before ME1, couple years after the First Contact War. I think the Project was originally for human colonization to another clusters in Milky Way. After ME1 the Citadel Goverment takes control. They leave prematurely before being totally ready because of the Reaper Invasion
That's my bet
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Post by luketrevelyan on Nov 2, 2016 21:20:23 GMT
I went with before ME1 because I feel like they would need a lot of time to prepare. In almost any case they'll need a really good explanation for this occurring during the trilogy without our knowledge. I'd be ok with it after ME3, but that seems very unlikely given the whole ending fiasco.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2016 21:28:06 GMT
Long before ME1.
Why? How? My explanation gets a bit long ...
Bryson was already studying legends of the Reapers ... as well as Reaper-killers. So the idea existed there might be a threat to galactic civilization out there ... credibility and more solid proof was what they lacked. Shepard would eventually provide proof, even if it seemed the information was not appreciated by the major Citadel races.
Ark ship technology, primarily their propulsion system, was based on the technological concepts gleaned from the Prothean beacon on Mars (and maybe the beacon on Thessia), for creating long-range, long duration FTL travel. Early on, it would have just been concept development, technology development ... to help go places in the MWG that lacked Mass Relays. Then as the technology started to bear fruit, the idea of going beyond the MWG was raised, combined with more evidence of Reapers. So the technological focus switched from intra-galactic travel without use of Mass Relays ... to intergalactic travel. A lot had to change. Stasis chambers for the organics. VIs to run things for extended periods while the crew "slept" during the long journey. Ability of the Ark ships to become "live ships" once the travel between galaxies was over and exploration of the new galaxy had begun.
Then the building. Would take a long time for just one species ... given other demands on a species' resources ... at best, Turians, Salarian, Asari and Humans species would probably only be able to build a couple of Ark ships apiece. It would be beyond the resources of the Krogan, Hanar, Quarian, Elcor and Batarian races ... also, Batarians and Krogans would fail the trust factor with the advanced technology. The Volus might team up with the Elcor. You would probably have a few contractors ... rather than each species gearing up for the manufacture, you'd see it broken down into component pieces and assembled elsewhere. That could speed the construction process and alleviate some of the learning curve issues if each species was not expected to develop a "soup-to-nuts" Ark ship manufacturing process on their own. Some Quarians might be brought in, for their expertise in "live ships" and long duration space travel - applicable to once they get to Andromeda, not so much use with respect to the intergalactic portion of the mission, but it would effect ship design significantly.
Maybe why it was not discussed in a big way in MET, the original concepts looked at intra-galactic travel, without use of Mass Relays. It didn't become apparent, until later, that intergalactic travel might be necessary, then, because of concerns about indoctrination, the work was "hidden in plain sight." Just as the Prothean beacon on Thessia had been hidden by the Asari, the Alliance and major Citadel races hid ARKCON by saying they were building intra-galaxy exploration vessels ... when in fact they were building Ark ships capable of intergalactic travel.
The Illusive Man was wrong, the Alliance wasn't wasting time, but they were looking for something different in data recovered from the beacon in the early years, rather than what Cerberus was looking for, circa Arrival/beginning of ME3. When the Reapers were known to be months ... or at most a year ... from Earth, priorities of the Alliance changed, more resources were placed on analyzing other elements of the Mars data ... and the plans for the Crucible were found. But this was after completion of the Ark ships ... probably about the time of their departure ... a few months after Arrival. Unfortunately for the humans, they only had a few decades to study the Mars Beacon, not the millennia that the Asari had to benefit from the Prothean beacon on Thessia. So potential advances and technological breakthroughs were limited.
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Post by CHRrOME on Nov 2, 2016 21:28:25 GMT
I'm going to go with "long before ME1" Ever since I heard that theory I started to like it. I think it makes sense.
Those are massive ships, and the logistics alone could prove quite the challenge. I mean sure, the Crucible was just as big and constructed in relatively short time. But it involved the entire galaxy and we already had the blueprints thanks to the Protheans. I think the Arks didn't involve all the galaxy's manpower to build hence they needed much more time to finish the project.
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Post by deadgoon on Nov 2, 2016 21:29:12 GMT
Construction started after the battle of the Citadel when data was recovered from Sovereigns memory core, which confirmed that the Reapers were indeed a race of sentient machines on there way to harvest the advanced races. So that would put it between the end of ME1 & the start off ME2.
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Post by Heimdall on Nov 2, 2016 21:29:57 GMT
I voted "Long before ME1/before end of ME2" but I actually think the completion date was just before ME3. Alternatively, it might have been just after ME1 that construction started.
My theory is that somebody found out about the Reaper threat before ME1 and started working on an intergalactic travel solution. It would only be after ME1 that the project started getting more support and construction began in earnest.
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Post by Bacus on Nov 2, 2016 21:33:02 GMT
I believe this to be post Me3.
How on earth noone knew/commented on the space ship hovering above the moon.
heck, when you visit the moon on me1 you never ran into that space city
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Post by goishen on Nov 2, 2016 21:33:09 GMT
I voted for "Start of ME2/prematurely just as Earth is invaded by Reapers" Altough, I think the construction started before ME1, couple years after the First Contact War. I think the Project was originally for human colonization to another clusters in Milky Way. After ME1 the Citadel Goverment takes control. They leave prematurely before being totally ready because of the Reaper Invasion That's my bet And I'll bet why Shepard doesn't see/hear any news coverage of it.
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Post by Ahriman on Nov 2, 2016 21:33:37 GMT
"Shortly after ME1 / before start of ME2" First, it covers time when Shepard couldn't get to Earth. Yes, I'm still trying to fit it into stuff shown in trilogy, shame on me. Second, I take "New Mako" M40 model number as time anchor, which gets us between M35 Mako and M44 Hammerhead. Third, all of above doesn't make sense and BW can fit Ark construction into any timeframe.
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Post by Sartoz on Nov 2, 2016 21:52:47 GMT
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Post by themikefest on Nov 2, 2016 21:58:05 GMT
Anytime before the events of ME3
I have several theories. One of them is the ships were built during the prothean cycle, but never used. One day, they were discovered in a secluded part of space by either the Alliance or a private company that travels that area.
The ships are given the once over. Realizing they just need a new paint job and some fixing, the owner of the private company, a very wealthy one, gather his other rich buddies to embark on the greatest adventure in history. To be the first to travel to another galaxy. Andromeda. At that point, the Alliance offers any help in providing any security that is needed for the folks going and even throw in the Mako to use.
If the Alliance finds them, they ask for financial help. The rich guys I mentioned offer the resources needed to get the ships in working order.
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Post by sageoflife on Nov 2, 2016 22:39:25 GMT
I'm guessing that it's going to be post-ME3, but handled in such a way that it could be any of the three endings.
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Post by Arcian on Nov 2, 2016 22:48:02 GMT
My theory is that the Ark project was started long before ME1. Earth didn't like being reliant on the "alien" Mass Effect relay network and/or wanted to go grab some of the unexplored territory in the galaxy, free from Council species influence. Then, as evidence mounted of some kind of really bad alien invasion happening -- maybe right before or after the Suicide Mission in ME2 -- the Ark project was retasked to be a Plan B in case Shepard failed at allying the Council races against the Reapers. Hedging against extinction of the human race. It's still an open question about when the other Council races joined in the Ark project, since that's been semi-confirmed in Twitter. Maybe when it was retasked, to be a lifeboat for everybody willing to pitch in? Maybe that's why there are so many Arks, one for each species? The technologies required for the Andromeda journey doesn't exist by the time of ME1. How do we know that? Well, because fuel capacity and core charge capacity are still two standard problems with FTL. If humanity or other species had the technology to build FTL drives without these problems capable of travelling for 600 years without stopping to refuel or discharge, they would use this technology to improve their society. There is absolutely no scenario in which they would purposely sit on a goldmine of technology just for the sake of keeping it secret. Being able to travel for 600 years on a single tank of gas and to do so without discharging the drive core would provide an immeasurable economic advantage. And it's not just invaluable economically - this technology would have been immensely useful during war. A supply ship that doesn't have to drop out of FTL would be impossible to intercept. It would make supply lines immune to enemy attacks, and fleets could dive deep into enemy territory, attack and then leave just as fast without having to worry about being intercepted by enemy forces. Yet we don't see this anywhere in the trilogy, not even in ME3 where it would have made every bit of sense to bust out the bleeding edge tech to defeat the Reapers.
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Post by Balsam Beige on Nov 2, 2016 22:53:34 GMT
I say long after the end of me3. The boy in the Stargazer scene at end of me3 asks "Did that all really happen?" The Man's response "Yes, but some of the details have been lost in time. It all happened so very long ago." The details lost in time. That's all Bioware needs to say..... Move time forward, advances in Technology, time to go to a new galaxy. Moon scene, send off the Arks. Goodbye Milky Way. 600 years later, arrive in Andromeda. Ryder says "We made it!".....Game starts.... Codex entry concerning "The Shepard", very vague, details lost...etc. etc.... Bioware focus fully on Andromeda pushing narrative forward.
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Post by Arcian on Nov 2, 2016 22:58:16 GMT
,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸ Start of ME2, after the debacle with Saren.
Humans are smarter than the Council races and came up with a contingency plan.
Yeah, except no, they're not. The asari are economically superior, the salarians are technologically (and intellectually) superior and the turians are martially superior, and they've been FTL-spacefaring species for thousands of years. Humans have been a FTL-spacefaring species for all of 37 years. Humanity thinks it's hot shit, but it's not.
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Post by Ahriman on Nov 2, 2016 23:06:11 GMT
,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸ Start of ME2, after the debacle with Saren.
Humans are smarter than the Council races and came up with a contingency plan.
Yeah, except no, they're not. The asari are economically superior, the salarians are technologically (and intellectually) superior and the turians are martially superior, and they've been FTL-spacefaring species for thousands of years. Humans have been a FTL-spacefaring species for all of 37 years. Humanity thinks it's hot shit, but it's not. You still haven't realized that mikefest works as writer at Bioware. Search your feelings, you know it to be true.
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Post by Arcian on Nov 2, 2016 23:17:39 GMT
Yeah, except no, they're not. The asari are economically superior, the salarians are technologically (and intellectually) superior and the turians are martially superior, and they've been FTL-spacefaring species for thousands of years. Humans have been a FTL-spacefaring species for all of 37 years. Humanity thinks it's hot shit, but it's not. You still haven't realized that mikefest works as writer at Bioware. Search your feelings, you know it to be true. Yeah, I don't buy that. It's not edgy enough to be written by mikefest.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 2, 2016 23:32:50 GMT
You still haven't realized that mikefest works as writer at Bioware. Search your feelings, you know it to be true. themikefest is a writer at Bioware? Hmmm. I like the idea working at Bioware. I'm sure I would like it, but I've been retired for over 7 years and enjoying all the free time I have. If I was a writer for Bioware, the endings for ME3 would be very different from what is in the game.
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Post by GannayevOfDreams on Nov 2, 2016 23:55:56 GMT
I voted option 2, but I think the range provided for that option is too broad. I see little chance of such a project being started anywhere within the actual time-frame of the first game. They wouldn't even understand the full scope of the threat until Sovereign was defeated and his true intentions were revealed.
I actually think the Andromeda Initiative would have been conceived and began during the time that Shepard was dead. Or perhaps it was initially conceived of directly after the end sequence of the first game, but not enacted until Shepard's death. To me that would have been the wake-up call to the "powers-that-be" among the various races that an ultimate contingency plan was absolutely necessary. It could also explain how no information was ever learned by Shepard or his/her allies. If most of the planning and execution took place during the time they were dead (and subsequently ex-Alliance upon resurrection) then they would have no reason to know. Though if I'm being honest, I think the fears of anyone with knowledge of the operation being indoctrinated are real enough to explain why almost no-one knew about it, least of all Shepard, who had some of the most exposure to the Reapers as anyone.
So, basically, I think the bulk of the Andromeda initiative was done just prior to, and during, the events of ME2.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 2, 2016 23:59:40 GMT
With Shepard voicing the trailer a year ago, I would say the ships leave before the SR1 is destroyed or after Shepard is put under house arrest in Vancouver before the reapers invade.
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Post by Adhin on Nov 3, 2016 0:37:28 GMT
My guess is starting at the start of ME2 (either when Shepard is 'killed' or bit before that) and the launch is prior to ME3 all together, but after the events of ME2 (including all DLC).
I think people are forgetting the Reapers 'surprised' earth in an attack. It wasn't a 'Oh we see them coming, best get everyone on board and launch the massive ships you can probably see from earth. They literally showed up pew-pewin' there death lazers and the whole armada was caught off guard in ME3.
Could still happen, I guess, them leaving as the invasion hits buut that would be a recon. And considering there focus on not touching ME3 in anyway to make the next game work my guess is definitely prior to ME3. Anything during/after requires reconnin'.
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Post by CHRrOME on Nov 3, 2016 0:53:58 GMT
My theory is that the Ark project was started long before ME1. Earth didn't like being reliant on the "alien" Mass Effect relay network and/or wanted to go grab some of the unexplored territory in the galaxy, free from Council species influence. Then, as evidence mounted of some kind of really bad alien invasion happening -- maybe right before or after the Suicide Mission in ME2 -- the Ark project was retasked to be a Plan B in case Shepard failed at allying the Council races against the Reapers. Hedging against extinction of the human race. It's still an open question about when the other Council races joined in the Ark project, since that's been semi-confirmed in Twitter. Maybe when it was retasked, to be a lifeboat for everybody willing to pitch in? Maybe that's why there are so many Arks, one for each species? The technologies required for the Andromeda journey doesn't exist by the time of ME1.No biggie. You could still construct the ships. Don't have the engine technology? doesn't matter, keep constructing the ships and leave that for later. And when the time comes you hope to have the technology or you figure it out in some other way. It's called being pro-active .
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 3, 2016 1:49:38 GMT
A lot of people are trying hard to think of "reasons we didn't hear about this" during the original trilogy. Obviously, we all realize the truth is that no such plan existed when the original trilogy was written. I hope none of you are too disappointed if they fail to deliver a satisfying explanation as to why we "never heard about this", or "how this is plausible". Sometimes, things simply must be hand-waved and accepted in order for progress to be made.
I'm not holding my breath for a great explanation as to the whys, whens and hows of getting to Andromeda. If they do an okay job, that's great. If not, I won't be surprised. My expectations are much higher once we arrive in Andromeda. That's where the story truly begins.
I'm not really sure as to when construction of these things was started. I kind of want to say pre-2183, but that's based upon the very barest of info gleaned from images and past experience, basically. It's a nearly blind, educated guess, more or less.
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