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Post by NRieh on Nov 3, 2016 15:55:59 GMT
While 'in secret' is gone 'Why above Luna?!' is still standing. Was the Council tasking humans with somehting the others considered a waste of time? Had Alliance made it on their own (if yes - where did that tech and those resources come from? Why had the aliens joined in?) etc.
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 3, 2016 15:56:38 GMT
My thoughts are that this may have been a covert Cerberus-funded plan, a last ditch effort, to save humanity (primarily) and all other organic species. Excellent. And Ryder is an undercover Cerberus operative. excellent. I like dual excellents And ... indoctrinated. So the Hamburgler will have to kill Ryder at the end of ME:A ... Leading to a different protagonist in ME:A2 ... Excellent? Bueller? Anyone? For the last year, I keep coming back to the thought of how Mac really blew it with Cerberus. Not only did he ruin ME3 with Cerberus, but he ruined Cerberus for Andromeda. This game could actually have benefitted from their involvement, in moderation of course. This is exactly the type of project into which TIM would pour funds and infiltrators. Cerberus would have people in the diplomatic, civilian and military wings of the Ai. After all, who better to ensure humanity rises to the top when we arrive in Andromeda? This could've been an excellent source of tension, drama, mysterious accidents, hidden political enemies, etc... Alas, Mac ruined Cerberus, turning them into a bad word. People won't even read this post without getting edgy. Instead of saying, "Yeah, that could've been cool," they'll say, "There had better not be any $&@&$ Cerberus in MEA". Sigh.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 3, 2016 15:59:16 GMT
And ... indoctrinated. So the Hamburgler will have to kill Ryder at the end of ME:A ... Leading to a different protagonist in ME:A2 ... Excellent? Bueller? Anyone? The next game will feature another human who also is an undercover Cerberus operative. He/she will kill the ascoon. No one in the game will question her death since none of them liked the asari. excellent. outstanding.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 3, 2016 16:05:34 GMT
For the last year, I keep coming back to the thought of how Mac really blew it with Cerberus. Not only did he ruin ME3 with Cerberus, but he ruined Cerberus for Andromeda. This game could actually have benefitted from their involvement, in moderation of course. This is exactly the type of project into which TIM would pour funds and infiltrators. Cerberus would have people in the diplomatic, civilian and military wings of the Ai. After all, who better to ensure humanity rises to the top when we arrive in Andromeda? This could've been an excellent source of tension, drama, mysterious accidents, hidden political enemies, etc... Alas, Mac ruined Cerberus, turning them into a bad word. People won't even read this post without getting edgy. Instead of saying, "Yeah, that could've been cool," they'll say, "There had better not be any $&@&$ Cerberus in MEA". Sigh. There still could be a lot of help from Cerberus. Not all of them are bad. Look at the ex-Cerberus scientists from ME3. I'm sure there are others like them. Maybe TIM did pour a lot of resources into the building of the ships. Once the ships leave, he turns his focus back to the reapers just before they invade.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2016 16:07:41 GMT
And ... indoctrinated. So the Hamburgler will have to kill Ryder at the end of ME:A ... Leading to a different protagonist in ME:A2 ... Excellent? Bueller? Anyone? [That ... was a joke] The next game will feature another human who also is an undercover Cerberus operative. He/she will kill the ascoon. No one in the game will question her death since none of them liked the asari. excellent. outstanding. Hamburgler or Ascoon? ... nah, she's more like a ferret.
Which means there will be an evil counterpart, a real weasel, a Cerberus operative who will do the dirty deed and kill Ryder.
Because everyone knows, you never send a ferret to do a weasel's job.
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Post by Ahriman on Nov 3, 2016 16:10:04 GMT
where those resources come from? We all know someone who has enough resources for anything, don't we?
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 3, 2016 16:13:03 GMT
While 'in secret' is gone 'Why above Luna?!' is still standing. Was the Council tasking humans with somehting the others considered a waste of time? Had Alliance made it on their own (if yes - where did that tech and those resources come from? Why had the aliens joined in?) etc. I think you're quoting me here, but removed the tag. If so, I'm not sure I understand the first part of the post concerning Luna. I agree that the Ark, at least one, is being built above Luna. That much seems clear. There would be little reason for them to mislead us about that. I don't really believe that the Ai is a human endeavor, at this point. I think that's marketing, but we shall see. It's all asspull technology to begin with, made up so we can escape the ME3 endings. Making the project the sole province of the least advanced of the "major species" would make it even more annoying. I'm expecting that this project is a joint species initiative, and that the single ark above Luna is the human ark, with corresponding arks being constructing at alien sites. I keep wondering who is building the Krogan ark. They hadn't collaborated on anything since the rebellion, until the Reaper War. Building an ark doesn't seem their thing. Salarians, you think? I have no idea from where they'll claim we got this technology. I can't even begin to say. I don't even want to speculate. I want that part of the game to pass quickly, so I can get to Andromeda and start the story. The desperate, asspull nature of the Andromeda trip makes me kind of sad.
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Post by NRieh on Nov 3, 2016 16:14:58 GMT
Agreed. But they've been overused already. Basically you can't touch a single ME-related media which would not involve them one way or another. They're everywhere and everything. Omega? It's about Cerberus. Thessia? It's aobut Cerberus. Citadel DLC? Well, yeah, that one is about Cerberus too. 90% of ME3 missions are Cerberus. Comics? I can barely remember titles which are not Cerberus-related.
So yeah, now when we kinda 'need' them plot-wise the very thought about yet-another involvement makes people cringe and go like 'oh no, not this shit again!'..
By the way, I'm not 100% sure that we won't actually have them. Because (as you've mentioned) this mission seems 200% like something TIM would keep his eye on (to say the least). Lazarus might be his excuse not to pour too many resources into AI, but not a single high-ranking sleeper agent would be an oversight and an extra gap in the 123-MEA continuity.
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Post by NRieh on Nov 3, 2016 16:20:36 GMT
Element Zero I am, but I'm too lazy to bother with partial quoting right now, and I hate the overquoting. I meant to say that building something like that in the least loved and least advanced space makes no sense. I know that 'ME' and 'sense' had never been truly good friends since (may be) ME1, but still. I can't help searching for a logical solution.
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Post by guanxi on Nov 3, 2016 16:28:18 GMT
Not so much a guess more a suspicion that if the ark is constructed and launched during the trilogy (pre reapers) in order to avoid plot variables it will be in the two years between ME1 and ME2 because we have no record of that period on account of being legally dead during that time so there is means motive and opportunity If the writers to go this route if they so chose without jepodising canon at all.
Personally I think that would be a more interesting route then the post reapers premise of exploration for exploration's sake which is probably more likely. Hackett in Extended Cut Destroy kinda hinted at this when he said "who knows what we can achieve now that the reapers have been defeated?" Well this, apparently.
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 3, 2016 16:33:30 GMT
Element Zero I am, but I'm too lazy to bother with partial quoting right now, and I hate the overquoting. I meant to say that building something like that in the least loved and least advanced space makes no sense. I know that 'ME' and 'sense' had never been truly good friends since (may be) ME1, but still. I can't help searching for a logical solution. I generally have the same drive, but I have intentionally put it aside for this game. I am unconvinced that the explanation for the Ai is going to make sense. I'm sure the game will be fun, if I can tolerate the mental gymnastics, so I'm trying to shut off my brain in connection with the specifics of the Ai. It's hard, because it's fun and instinctive to speculate; but I also immediately run into "thus makes no sense".
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Post by Sartoz on Nov 3, 2016 18:27:30 GMT
I agree that the Ark, at least one, is being built above Luna. I don't really believe that the Ai is a human endeavor, at this point. I think that's marketing, Snip ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸ From what Flynn said, in an interview, "...those races that pitched in too, we took along...".
Now that is a telling comment. And, the telling is that humanity initiated the project and decided who to take along. Seems to me that man is the top dog, as far as this project is concerned and why Andromeda is a human centric story.
Edit: correction and link to video interview. Listen at 1:56:
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 3, 2016 18:40:50 GMT
I agree that the Ark, at least one, is being built above Luna. I don't really believe that the Ai is a human endeavor, at this point. I think that's marketing, Snip ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸ From what Flynn said, in an interview, "...those races that contributed, we took along...".
Now that is a telling comment. And, the telling is that humanity initiated the project and decided who to take along. Seems to me that man is the top dog, as far as this project is concerned and why Andromeda is a human centric story.
That's pretty indicative of "who's in charge", or at least who took the initiative. There's always an interview, tweet or something I've not read. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. I can't wait for them to lay so,e real cards on the table this Monday.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 3, 2016 18:44:19 GMT
I agree that the Ark, at least one, is being built above Luna. I don't really believe that the Ai is a human endeavor, at this point. I think that's marketing, Snip ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸ From what Flynn said, in an interview, "...those races that contributed, we took along...".
Now that is a telling comment. And, the telling is that humanity initiated the project and decided who to take along. Seems to me that man is the top dog, as far as this project is concerned and why Andromeda is a human centric story.
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Post by Sartoz on Nov 3, 2016 19:03:11 GMT
,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸ From what Flynn said, in an interview, "...those races that contributed, we took along...".
Now that is a telling comment. And, the telling is that humanity initiated the project and decided who to take along. Seems to me that man is the top dog, as far as this project is concerned and why Andromeda is a human centric story.
,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸ From the Walking Dead TV series?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 3, 2016 19:04:20 GMT
,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸ From the Walking Dead TV series?
No, that's from the movie Liar Liar. It's a great film, I recommend it if you are in the mood for a comedy.
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Post by Sartoz on Nov 3, 2016 19:06:51 GMT
,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸ From the Walking Dead TV series?
No, that's from the movie Liar Liar. It's a great film, I recommend it if you are in the mood for a comedy. ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸ Oh.. thanks
BTW, here is the interview link:
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 3, 2016 19:23:06 GMT
No, that's from the movie Liar Liar. It's a great film, I recommend it if you are in the mood for a comedy. ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸ Oh.. thanks
BTW, here is the interview link:
Thanks for the link. That sounded like vague dev-speak, so I'm actually still feeling optimistic that this is a joint project. I think he was simply acknowledging that, "yes, your favorite aliens will be there," rather than truly meaning "we humans brought them" along on our venture. We'll know more soon, I guess.
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Post by shechinah on Nov 3, 2016 19:37:16 GMT
I agree that the Ark, at least one, is being built above Luna. I don't really believe that the Ai is a human endeavor, at this point. I think that's marketing, Snip ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸ From what Flynn said, in an interview, "...those races that pitched in too, we took along...".
Now that is a telling comment. And, the telling is that humanity initiated the project and decided who to take along. Seems to me that man is the top dog, as far as this project is concerned and why Andromeda is a human centric story.
I'm still hoping that's just the phrasing used because man, that's still stupid to me especially since you could still have a human centric story even if it was a joint project with a multiracial coalition: you just have things be from the perspective of humans and have things like how the journey affects them and influences them both personally and as a people and society be in the foreground.
You don't need humanity to be the center of everything to make a human centric story.
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Post by Sartoz on Nov 3, 2016 20:18:19 GMT
,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸ From what Flynn said, in an interview, "...those races that pitched in too, we took along...".
Now that is a telling comment. And, the telling is that humanity initiated the project and decided who to take along. Seems to me that man is the top dog, as far as this project is concerned and why Andromeda is a human centric story.
I'm still hoping that's just the phrasing used because man, that's still stupid to me especially since you could still have a human centric story even if it was a joint project with a multiracial coalition: you just have things be from the perspective of humans and have things like how the journey affects them and influences them both personally and as a people and society be in the foreground.
You don't need humanity to be the center of everything to make a human centric story.
,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸ Another of Flynn's interviews for a German magazine I think. Again, he suggests a new human story. Link:
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Post by shechinah on Nov 3, 2016 20:29:54 GMT
I'm still hoping that's just the phrasing used because man, that's still stupid to me especially since you could still have a human centric story even if it was a joint project with a multiracial coalition: you just have things be from the perspective of humans and have things like how the journey affects them and influences them both personally and as a people and society be in the foreground.
You don't need humanity to be the center of everything to make a human centric story.
,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸ Another of Flynn's interviews for a German magazine I think. Again, he suggests a new human story.
I don't mind a human centric story. I can deal with a human centric story. I can like a human centric story. I mind how it seems they intend to go about it.
Thanks for the video link
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Post by meplayer on Nov 3, 2016 20:50:22 GMT
My theory is that the Ark project was started long before ME1. I agree... similar to the time period of star trek enterprise.
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Post by meplayer on Nov 3, 2016 21:04:19 GMT
,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸ From what Flynn said, in an interview, "...those races that pitched in too, we took along...".
Now that is a telling comment. And, the telling is that humanity initiated the project and decided who to take along. Seems to me that man is the top dog, as far as this project is concerned and why Andromeda is a human centric story.
I'm still hoping that's just the phrasing used because man, that's still stupid to me especially since you could still have a human centric story even if it was a joint project with a multiracial coalition: you just have things be from the perspective of humans and have things like how the journey affects them and influences them both personally and as a people and society be in the foreground.
You don't need humanity to be the center of everything to make a human centric story.
I just can't relate if it's not human-centric story why would I even care about a non-human story lol I obviously love the Homo sapiens more because I am one duh lol I'm just so tired of people selling their own species out its idiotic to me..you're basically killing your own self lol.
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 3, 2016 21:06:02 GMT
,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸ Another of Flynn's interviews for a German magazine I think. Again, he suggests a new human story.
I don't mind a human centric story. I can deal with a human centric story. I can like a human centric story. I mind how it seems they intend to go about it.
Thanks for the video link
Agreed. I like the human-centric approach, myself; but it has to make sense. Humans leading the Ai pre-Reaper War does not make sense, since we lacked the political, economic and technological clout to do so. Fortunately, I see nothing in those vids to conclude one way or the other what the story behind Ai will be. I think we will have to wait and see what they share on N7 Day.
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Post by dalinne on Nov 3, 2016 22:11:00 GMT
Ok, I have a theory, like my ULTIMATE ARK THEORY. I don't know how to resolve the lack of advanced technology, but I have a theory about the game's premise and how to toss away the Reapers menace (but not ignoring completely) We know only two things about the game: First, it's about exploring. They want us feel the awe for new worlds, the unknown, the excitement, the adventure.Second, we have to find a new home for Humanity (and the rest of the MW species I hope...)The problem? How can they attract new players without put us --the older Mass Effect fans-- aside? They have to start simple, so don't expect more than a black screen with a couple of paragraphs in the game. The Reapers cannot be the centre of the Initiative, moreover if they will be forgotten in Andromeda. So, my new (and hopefully last) theory about when we leave is this:
The Occam's Omniblade: The Simpler, The Better
The construction of the Arks starts decades before ME1 and we leave BEFORE the events of ME1. The Project from the start is all about going to Andromeda (reason? "Because it's there!")The Project is a Human Initiative to explore! (because Humans are the craziest) But more people from other species come along (because we don't have the monopoly of crazyness). Mac Walters mentioned about people with different reasons to go to Andromeda, but possibly none of these reasons are because of Reapers, we don't know about the Reapers yet. The people who have signed for the Andromeda Initiative has only one risk in mind: the travel is one way trip and there is a high possibility of dying in the journey before arriving in Andromeda. That explains the amazed "We made it" of Ryder's in E3 Trailer, the odds were too high. Then again, why to go to Andromeda? BECAUSE IT'S THERE!! Then again, no Reapers on sight. The Project is not a secret because it's a suicide attempt for SCIENCEEEE. And the results of this given Project won't be known until 600 years later (and probably nobody in the MW will know or care). And now it's when simplify works:We arrive to Andromeda alive. All people is happy and celebrating except our father/captain/person in charge. Maybe Ryder investigates or maybe that someone in charge tell us: communications with Milky Way don't work and there are horrible news. The last message received was sent 594 or 597 years ago. In that message the Council/Alliance tell us about the Reapers. Earth and Palaven have been occupied, Thesia has fallen (here the comment of the Asari councilor after Thessia mission) and the Milky Way seems doomed. So, from our perspective, we are the last Milky Wayers alive. Now, we are in a very difficult position: we are the last survivors of multiple species and now it's not only about exploring for science. Now we have to make plans against extinction and we weren't prepared for that. Bonus: DadN7/Captain/Boss command us not to tell anyone about this (is bad for morale? or is good for morale? I don't know!), so one of the first decisions we can make is to tell or not to tell the members of our crew. ... and that is. More or less, I still thinking about it. Don't tell me, I know: The answer is
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