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Post by BansheeOwnage on Nov 7, 2016 18:40:34 GMT
So is this leaving BECAUSE of the Reapers....Or just for the hell of it? I'm just curious why (let alone how) someone would leave so quickly, as if they have massive ADD and are already "bored" of the galaxy. What compels a species to just get their footing in this galaxy, and suddenly want to bolt? If it isn't motivated by the Reapers, I think the explanation is a very flimsy one. Andromeda is "resource rich"? Well so is the freaking Milky Way, and it's much closer. Why do they need to "establish a new homeworld" if they don't fear for their current one? And best of all "hoping to establish a route between galaxies". Like, what? Even with their retcon drive, it still takes 600 years, one-way. How exactly are they hoping to do that? I used to think some of the nay sayers in this site were just a bit nit pickey but I have moved them over to straight out dumb, as in not seemingly to have a foggy clue about how info in any media is given. Yes, yes, thank you for going around insulting people who think differently from you. Anyway, I'm not saying the trailer needed to explain these things, but the website that is supposedly explaining them should, well, explain them! It's really not that much to ask. Actually, it doesn't tell us anything we couldn't already guess (other than the year it left). It's an idependent initiative- obviously, otherwise Shepard and co would've heard about it. Note, it says independent from the Alliance, not the Council or any other indentifiable group. Though I am troubled that it specifies Alliance for another reason. If this is primarily a human project, I will be disappointed. Why are you equating "independent" with "secret"? Every indication so far is that it wasn't secret at all, therefore Shepard, the crew, and everyone else should have known about it. Extract from the Mass Effect Wikia Timeline: masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline2185 CE- Commander Shepard is revived and tasked by the Illusive Man to investigate the mysterious disappearances of entire human colonies in the Terminus Systems. Investigation of the attacked colony of Freedom's Progress reveals the enigmatic Collectors from beyond the Omega 4 Relay to be responsible for the disappearances. After assembling a capable team, Commander Shepard uses a captured Reaper IFF to safely traverse the relay and infiltrate the Collector base. Shepard succeeds in eliminating the Collector threat, saving humanity throughout the galaxy from certain destruction.
- Liara T'Soni locates the Shadow Broker's concealed base on the planet Hagalaz. The Shadow Broker, exposed as a yahg, is killed. Liara takes control of the Broker's organization, intending to use the Broker's vast information network to aid Shepard's fight against the Reapers.
- The Andromeda Initiative launches with the departure of the Ark Ships and the Nexus towards the Andromeda Galaxy on their 600-year voyage.
In short, it happens at a time when Shepard is otherwise occupied somewhere else (unsurprising). I think the wiki is getting ahead of themselves. Anyway, is that bolded sentence accurate? My impression was that The Nexus was another Ark, like Hyperion, and that there were 3 others, 5 in total. Which is correct? |
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Post by Iakus on Nov 7, 2016 18:42:17 GMT
And I don't see any "facts" supporting getting excited about the game. But you can prove me wrong when it comes out, okay? Tell me how you still feel about the ending, I will make some tea - hold on. You already know. And as I've said, the biggest question they'll have to answer for me is "Why should I trust you again?" This, 2185 nonsense, unless there's a lot more information to go with it, doesn't help at all. |
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Post by BansheeOwnage on Nov 7, 2016 18:43:55 GMT
The premise makes sense to me. A combination of private industry and government programs working together on deep space exploration? It's not much different than what we're seeing today. Throw in the support of several other species governments and you get an explanation of why it can move forward so quickly. As for the timing, I don't think you could base the timeline anywhere else in the ME universe. Except that private industry somehow managed to circumvent current FTL limitations (something no other race has done even with thousands of collective years to do it) and just decided not to tell anyone about it, even though the first question everyone should be asking is "How will you get to Andromeda?" So if they didn't tell anyone, no one will believe they could actually get there, but since they're trying, I'm sure, say, the Citadel Council would be very interested to know why they think they can... |
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Post by Iakus on Nov 7, 2016 18:44:26 GMT
The premise makes sense to me. A combination of private industry and government programs working together on deep space exploration? It's not much different than what we're seeing today. Throw in the support of several other species governments and you get an explanation of why it can move forward so quickly. As for the timing, I don't think you could base the timeline anywhere else in the ME universe. Except right now we can't even get to the moon anymore. And private industry is still at least a decade away from even taking a shot at an expectation to Mars. This is like saying Elon Musk is going to launch a colony ship to Proxima Centauri next week. |
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Post by Iakus on Nov 7, 2016 18:45:59 GMT
]Why are you equating "independent" with "secret"? Every indication so far is that it wasn't secret at all, therefore Shepard, the crew, and everyone else should have known about it. Yup. SpaceX is private, but not exactly a secret. |
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Nov 7, 2016 18:46:06 GMT
Tell me how you still feel about the ending, I will make some tea - hold on. You already know. And as I've said, the biggest question they'll have to answer for me is "Why should I trust you again?" This, 2185 nonsense, unless there's a lot more information to go with it, doesn't help at all. Didn't you like DAI or something? What a curious question you got there. I am not making any conclusions cause only know the details are coming out. My biggest question is how Shepard wasn't aware of the AI. That's unsettling. |
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Post by kino on Nov 7, 2016 18:46:21 GMT
The premise makes sense to me. A combination of private industry and government programs working together on deep space exploration? It's not much different than what we're seeing today. Throw in the support of several other species governments and you get an explanation of why it can move forward so quickly. As for the timing, I don't think you could base the timeline anywhere else in the ME universe. Except right now we can't even get to the moon anymore. And private industry is still at least a decade away from even taking a shot at an expectation to Mars. This is like saying Elon Musk is going to launch a colony ship to Proxima Centauri next week. You're comparing 2185 to 2016? Okay. |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 7, 2016 18:47:51 GMT
So is this leaving BECAUSE of the Reapers....Or just for the hell of it? I'm just curious why (let alone how) someone would leave so quickly, as if they have massive ADD and are already "bored" of the galaxy. What compels a species to just get their footing in this galaxy, and suddenly want to bolt? If it isn't motivated by the Reapers, I think the explanation is a very flimsy one. Andromeda is "resource rich"? Well so is the freaking Milky Way, and it's much closer. Why do they need to "establish a new homeworld" if they don't fear for their current one? And best of all "hoping to establish a route between galaxies". Like, what? Even with their retcon drive, it still takes 600 years, one-way. How exactly are they hoping to do that? In regards to the last question, if I was to hazard a guess they plan on doing that by creating a Mass Relay system, linking one in Andromeda to one in the Milky Way. Maybe that is what that spacecraft that makes the Arks look tiny is for, it is the part of the pair they are bringing to Andromeda and meanwhile the people back in the Milky Way would build the one of the pair for the Milky Way. |
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Post by Beerfish on Nov 7, 2016 18:49:08 GMT
"I used to think some of the nay sayers in this site were just a bit nit pickey but I have moved them over to straight out dumb, as in not seemingly to have a foggy clue about how info in any media is given.
Yes, yes, thank you for going around insulting people who think differently from you. Anyway, I'm not saying the trailer needed to explain these things, but the website that is supposedly explaining them should, well, explain them! It's really not that much to ask."
1) See as I didn't even refer to any post you made I have no idea what you are talking about.
2) People are free to complain about anything they want if it makes a shred of sense, if a person says I don't like this trailer no problemo, if a person makes some half brained assumption with almost no info on a subject then yes you are indeed dumb and deserve to be insulted. I guess now I have to hunt around for your post that you got so riled up about because my post that you quoted had nothing to do with you.
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Post by Iakus on Nov 7, 2016 18:49:16 GMT
Except right now we can't even get to the moon anymore. And private industry is still at least a decade away from even taking a shot at an expectation to Mars. This is like saying Elon Musk is going to launch a colony ship to Proxima Centauri next week. You're comparing 2185 to 2016? Okay. You did it yourself "It's not much different than what we see today" And yeah, nowadays our closest celestial neighbors aren't really in reach. Travelling beyond our solar system is completely out of the question. Much like 2185. Without relays, only the closest neighboring systems are within FTL range. And they want to cross the 2.5 million light years to get to Andromeda? |
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Post by Gileadan on Nov 7, 2016 18:51:19 GMT
If it isn't motivated by the Reapers, I think the explanation is a very flimsy one. Andromeda is "resource rich"? Well so is the freaking Milky Way, and it's much closer. Why do they need to "establish a new homeworld" if they don't fear for their current one? And best of all "hoping to establish a route between galaxies". Like, what? Even with their retcon drive, it still takes 600 years, one-way. How exactly are they hoping to do that? This. So much this. Wish I could like your post more than once. At this point, any of those alternatives are basically hogwash. If we are establishing a new home world but not fleeing from the reapers because they haven't arrived yet: Why? It's a colossal effort to reach a different galaxy. Are all the viable Milky Way planets already taken? If we are fleeing from the reapers: so we flee from one ancient evil to get to another galaxy where likely some ancient evil is going to awake, given how much BioWare likes that plot. Maybe this is a smaller ancient evil? One we can punch in the face to level up and go back home? Andromeda is rich in resources and we want to establish a route back to the Milky Way: this is the best one. How do we even know about the resources over there from over here? Did Cerberus build some really fancy-dancy long range scanner that sees Andromeda oil fields from here? What kind of resource justifies the massive effort necessary to move it to a different galaxy? I don't even... |
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Post by kino on Nov 7, 2016 18:51:21 GMT
The premise makes sense to me. A combination of private industry and government programs working together on deep space exploration? It's not much different than what we're seeing today. Throw in the support of several other species governments and you get an explanation of why it can move forward so quickly. As for the timing, I don't think you could base the timeline anywhere else in the ME universe. Except that private industry somehow managed to circumvent current FTL limitations (something no other race has done even with thousands of collective years to do it) and just decided not to tell anyone about it, even though the first question everyone should be asking is "How will you get to Andromeda?" So if they didn't tell anyone, no one will believe they could actually get there, but since they're trying, I'm sure, say, the Citadel Council would be very interested to know why they think they can... I'm fairly certain you travel faster than light in Mass Effect using mass effect drive cores. I had the same question during ME2. Yeah, a quick Google search pops up FTL in the ME wiki. |
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Post by Eshaye on Nov 7, 2016 18:52:13 GMT
....................... Note, it says independent from the Alliance, not the Council or any other indentifiable group. Though I am troubled that it specifies Alliance for another reason. If this is primarily a human project, I will be disappointed. .............. Yes thank you. Would be nice IF let's say the Council officially denied Shepard's claims but actually had this secret Andromeda project JUST in case.... I would like that. |
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Post by KaiserShep on Nov 7, 2016 18:52:15 GMT
The premise makes sense to me. A combination of private industry and government programs working together on deep space exploration? It's not much different than what we're seeing today. Throw in the support of several other species governments and you get an explanation of why it can move forward so quickly. As for the timing, I don't think you could base the timeline anywhere else in the ME universe. Except right now we can't even get to the moon anymore. And private industry is still at least a decade away from even taking a shot at an expectation to Mars. This is like saying Elon Musk is going to launch a colony ship to Proxima Centauri next week. If it makes you feel better, we'll probably be living in piles of trash cubes by 2185. |
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Post by linksocarina on Nov 7, 2016 18:52:57 GMT
Sounds a lot like the East Indies Companies right? Wealthy merchants buy/build a whole lot of ships, hire a whole lot of mercenaries/traders/ship crew members ect.. To reach out and colonize new land for riches. I doubt that TIM is the ONLY person capable of something like this. Miranda's father is an example of someone who would be involved in something like this, not saying he is, he is not, just saying that there are a lot of rich humans we've never encountered before. Oh and since it's not just humans going it's probably a citadel endeavor of some kind. I'm sure the entire explanation will be there, this is just the start of marketing after all. Possibly yes, although I bet there is more to it than that. We also got a lot of info not told yet in the orientation videos, which might reveal more later. My guess is that the full explanation as to why is more focused on the other races involved in the initiative. I would hazard a guess that if this is a civilian effort for colonization and riches, then the corporate backing for this would see boatloads of money funneled into the product from ancient Asari businesses, tech from Salarians and Turians, military training from ex Alliance personnel, and so forth. This is probably a corporate backed initiative which will then have ties with the governments in the future if they are successful. Honestly...it's not improbable, especially if you consider the history of exploration and discovery and how fast technology actually developed when money was on the line, and how companies like the East India Company became subsidized by the British Government because they made England so much money in taxes. |
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Post by kino on Nov 7, 2016 18:53:46 GMT
You're comparing 2185 to 2016? Okay. You did it yourself "It's not much different than what we see today" And yeah, nowadays our closest celestial neighbors aren't really in reach. Travelling beyond our solar system is completely out of the question. Much like 2185. Without relays, only the closest neighboring systems are within FTL range. And they want to cross the 2.5 million light years to get to Andromeda? I mentioned cooperation between private industry and government. Any extrapolation from that was your own. And Mass Effect drive cores. Multiple of speeds of light, hence the need for cryogenics or something of the sort. |
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Post by armass81 on Nov 7, 2016 18:56:21 GMT
"If it isn't motivated by the Reapers, I think the explanation is a very flimsy one. Andromeda is "resource rich"? Well so is the freaking Milky Way, and it's much closer. Why do they need to "establish a new homeworld" if they don't fear for their current one? And best of all "hoping to establish a route between galaxies". Like, what? Even with their retcon drive, it still takes 600 years, one-way. How exactly are they hoping to do that?"
I agree this whole thing doesnt make a lick of sense.
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Post by guanxi on Nov 7, 2016 19:05:32 GMT
Called it in the earlier thread it would be constructed and launched between ME1 and ME2. Happy that Quarians. Geth and Batarians are possibilities now.
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Post by giubba on Nov 7, 2016 19:08:01 GMT
"If it isn't motivated by the Reapers, I think the explanation is a very flimsy one. They had to create an explanation for a branching story where no easy loophole existed, what the fuck did you expect? there isn't a perfect or smooth way to handle this . A galaxy already colonized by 5-6 major civilization in the last thousand of years where every "easy" planet was already taken by asari,turian,salarian and every single race in the council that arrived before human race Because [MODEDIT Personal Attack removed] when the colony ships will have reached the andromeda galaxy the tecnology in the milky way will be literal thousand of years advanced! Read a fucking physics book about relativity or watch fucking interstellar. |
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Post by Ivory Samoan on Nov 7, 2016 19:09:46 GMT
2185 - The Year of No-Reason.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Nov 7, 2016 19:12:37 GMT
Alright, mod warning time.
Let's try to keep this clean without personal attacks or the like. New info does not exempt from forum rules.
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Post by Iakus on Nov 7, 2016 19:17:53 GMT
A galaxy already colonized by 5-6 major civilization in the last thousand of years where every "easy" planet was already taken by asari,turian,salarian and every single race in the council that arrived before human race A new drive which can run for centuries without refueling or discharging would make a whole bunch of planets easy to get to as well. Remember 99% of the MW galaxy had not been explored as of 2185. |
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Post by Iakus on Nov 7, 2016 19:20:33 GMT
If we are establishing a new home world but not fleeing from the reapers because they haven't arrived yet: Why? It's a colossal effort to reach a different galaxy. Are all the viable Milky Way planets already taken? If we are fleeing from the reapers: so we flee from one ancient evil to get to another galaxy where likely some ancient evil is going to awake, given how much BioWare likes that plot. Maybe this is a smaller ancient evil? One we can punch in the face to level up and go back home? It's unlikely the Reapers have anything to do with it, given the project started in 2176, years before the Prothean beacon was found.[/quote] |
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Post by flyingovertrout on Nov 7, 2016 19:29:41 GMT
Sounds a lot like the East Indies Companies right? Wealthy merchants buy/build a whole lot of ships, hire a whole lot of mercenaries/traders/ship crew members ect.. To reach out and colonize new land for riches. I doubt that TIM is the ONLY person capable of something like this. Miranda's father is an example of someone who would be involved in something like this, not saying he is, he is not, just saying that there are a lot of rich humans we've never encountered before. Oh and since it's not just humans going it's probably a citadel endeavor of some kind. I'm sure the entire explanation will be there, this is just the start of marketing after all. Limited info, I know, but this strikes me more of an Elon Musk-esque "I'm doing it because I'm rich as hell and why not? Might as well spend it on doing something amazing" kind of thing than a money-making thing. EDIT: Oh, there it is, right in the official description. I need to start to read moar better. |
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Post by bshep on Nov 7, 2016 19:30:56 GMT
I get the feeling that their departure was antecipated because of the Reapers. If it is true i am okay with this.  |
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