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Post by giubba on Nov 7, 2016 19:34:00 GMT
A galaxy already colonized by 5-6 major civilization in the last thousand of years where every "easy" planet was already taken by asari,turian,salarian and every single race in the council that arrived before human race A new drive which can run for centuries Once you reach a certain speed in space you do not decelerate once the arks reach a speed as close as they can to the speed of light (in days?weeks?months?) they shut off the thruster and that's it for the entire voyage.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 7, 2016 19:48:08 GMT
A new drive which can run for centuries Once you reach a certain speed in space you do not decelerate once the arks reach a speed as close as they can to the speed of light (in days?weeks?months?) they shut off the thruster and that's it for the entire voyage. You can't do that with Mass Effect drives. The moment you shut them off, you fall back into sublight speed. In order to get there in 600 years, the drives have to be operating the entire time which causes issues with the established lore.
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Post by General Mahad on Nov 7, 2016 20:03:35 GMT
Awesome, that means we are not an Alliance pigdog anymore, WOO!
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Post by malanek on Nov 7, 2016 20:16:36 GMT
A new drive which can run for centuries Once you reach a certain speed in space you do not decelerate once the arks reach a speed as close as they can to the speed of light (in days?weeks?months?) they shut off the thruster and that's it for the entire voyage. And doing it that way would take about 2.5 million years.
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Post by Sailears on Nov 7, 2016 20:16:37 GMT
Makes sense being when Shepard died and was magically brought back to life... ...everything that followed was a nonsensical dream anyway. Because bringing someone back to life is somehow more fit than heading off to Andromeda. By this point, I thought people knew what they were getting themselves into. lmao. I know exactly what I'm in for and have been since ME3 - a damn good co-op multiplayer TPS experience. As long as they deliver on that, the rest doesn't matter.
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Post by helios969 on Nov 7, 2016 20:17:45 GMT
So they didn't even attempt to come up with an explanation, just "it exists". I had low expectations for the explanation, but Bioware managed to surprise me with how bad this is. Honestly, nothing Bio does anymore surprises me. They've never really cared to apply logic in the past so why start now, right. I'll just head cannon my own reasoning behind the AI...pretty much like I had to do with the debacle at the end of ME3. I also like (not really) how their timeline of important events doesn't include the Battle of the Citadel. That pretty much confirms they intend to ignore anything to do with the original trilogy.
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Post by malanek on Nov 7, 2016 20:24:05 GMT
I still remain hopeful that they have a bit better reasoning than what is apparent. I don't expect watertight logic but they could at least make an effort. The big problem with what they are presenting so far is the motivation. Going to Andromeda for resources???? Completely nonsensical. The distance and difficulty is just too great and there are massive untapped resources much closer and easier to get at.
Removing Reapers as the reason for leaving, makes the motivation more difficult to justify. I'm not familiar enough with the lore outside the games, is it possible that back when the Andromeda Initiative was founded that someone else knew about the Reapers? I understand the Illusive Man did, but someone else?
Another possibility is that there is actually a refugee from Andromeda desperate to return who is the puppet master behind the entire initiative. It would help with the technology as well. The problem with that is actually convincing people from the milky way that going to Andromeda is a good idea.
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Post by Arcian on Nov 7, 2016 21:03:48 GMT
So is this leaving BECAUSE of the Reapers....Or just for the hell of it? I'm just curious why (let alone how) someone would leave so quickly, as if they have massive ADD and are already "bored" of the galaxy. What compels a species to just get their footing in this galaxy, and suddenly want to bolt? The power of Mac Walters bruised ego.
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Post by Nayawk on Nov 7, 2016 21:11:07 GMT
I'm completely fine with all of this.
I like that it leaves during ME2, it gives enough in game time for me to buy 'studied and used reaper corpse to advance tech' for the getting there problem.. . Is it a perfect science? No but its good enough and in the end the game is about what we do when we get there, not the detailed blue print of how we got there.
I also have never had a problem with the leaving the Milky Way. So what only 1% of the MW is known. We still have parts of our own planet left unexplored but we went to Mars, and only a tiny fraction of Mars is mapped but we sent probes to Jupiter. People have always run before they could walk.
I've said this before but ideally I would like to see the private company setting up the Arc project but on a smaller scale as a vanity project of some mega rich explorer type, then ME1 happens and parts of the Council believing Shepard then get involved and it becomes a much bigger in scale private/council races funded endeavour. With ME2 happening (specifically Arrival) it looks more and more like we are going to lose so the Arcs are launched.
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Post by Arcian on Nov 7, 2016 21:24:12 GMT
A new drive which can run for centuries Once you reach a certain speed in space you do not decelerate once the arks reach a speed as close as they can to the speed of light (in days?weeks?months?) they shut off the thruster and that's it for the entire voyage. Nope.
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Post by Petroshenko on Nov 7, 2016 21:40:10 GMT
We predicted this would happen YEARS ago, it was the obvious bail-out card to avoid ME3 galaxy-spanning choices & consequences.
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Post by straykat on Nov 7, 2016 21:58:18 GMT
We predicted this would happen YEARS ago, it was the obvious bail-out card to avoid ME3 galaxy-spanning choices & consequences. I'm liking Casey Hudson's original idea of just being a cop on the Citadel more. I remember that getting shot down too... but it wasn't as dumb as this.
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Post by Mistic on Nov 7, 2016 22:17:25 GMT
Removing Reapers as the reason for leaving, makes the motivation more difficult to justify. I'm not familiar enough with the lore outside the games, is it possible that back when the Andromeda Initiative was founded that someone else knew about the Reapers? I understand the Illusive Man did, but someone else? Perhaps that could be one of the reveals of the game, that Jien Garson was one of the few aware of the threat and started preparing her own countermeasure (in a far more civilized way than the Illusive Man). We know it's not impossible. The Andromeda Initiative was founded in 2176. TIM learned of the Reapers in 2157 and Saren got news of Sovereign around 2165. In fact, the whole plot of the original trilogy was based on Shepard not being the first person to know about the Reaper threat.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Nov 7, 2016 22:32:01 GMT
Because bringing someone back to life is somehow more fit than heading off to Andromeda. By this point, I thought people knew what they were getting themselves into. lmao. I know exactly what I'm in for and have been since ME3 - a damn good co-op multiplayer TPS experience. As long as they deliver on that, the rest doesn't matter. I was agreeing with ya.
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Post by Thrombin on Nov 7, 2016 23:10:41 GMT
I don't get why it's so unlikely. Throw enough money in and you can build a big ship. What's the big deal? Put enough people on it and you can build it really quickly.
Is there some Codex entry that says humans can't build big ships or anything that says how long it takes to build them?
If there's some contradiction of established ME lore then I'm not aware of it.
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Post by 10k on Nov 7, 2016 23:15:45 GMT
Makes sense being when Shepard died and was magically brought back to life... ...everything that followed was a nonsensical dream anyway. What are you talking about? the Lazarus project explain this. Not only that there were clones to harvest organs from, which Citadel DLC undoubtedly explains. If we had the tech they have in ME I'd say we could actually bring someone back to life. Why is that such an unbelievable concept? Head implant surgery is something that is being looked into today; you know where they remove someones head and graph it onto another body. Science is an extraordinary thing, I wouldn't be surprised if we learn how to bring someone back to life.
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Post by 10k on Nov 7, 2016 23:25:03 GMT
How was Shepard brought back from the dead? Resources I think this one was explained over the course of the series. There were clones to harvest organs from, cybernetics were used to reconstruct his skeleton, both reconstruction of his skin and the blood flow was was done (quoted from Lazarus project lore) in order to support the organs harvested from clones. I mean what else do we need? This was explained. You know as a paramedic there's a saying: The person isn't dead until, they're warm and dead. Shepard's body was on a planet that was -22 degrees Celsius, which I would assume preserved his corpse.
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Post by dalinne on Nov 7, 2016 23:54:22 GMT
Eh I'm ok with lack of explanation for getting out of the Milky Way. As long as the story in Andromeda is good I wont care what happened back in the Milky Way. They aren't going to touch the ME3 endings because of all the outrage 4 years ago and the fact that there are still many who are still sore and incredibly hostile. On the last trailer there was guy who got a bunch of likes for saying that Bioware will have nowhere to hide if they fuck this game up. Even as someone who hated the ME3 that's a really extreme reaction that should not be tolerated at all. Even here it does sound like to me that some of you were going to damn Bioware for it no matter they said. They (Mac et al) have repeatedly said they are wanting to honor the original trilogy within this game: I'm guessing they tie the leaving of the Milky Way into the impending threat at least, since the initiative was started before ME1 though, that means it must have been started, originally, for ' Yay Exploration'. It's the leaving that's the important part here: just leaving for the sake of ' Yay Exploration' on a one-way trip to uncertain survival odds seems mental, so hopefully they haven't gone full retard and just decided ' let's do this for no reason other than being bored with this old-ass galaxy!" A lso, how did they convince a bunch of Krogan to go on anything other than an escape plan, Krogan don't seem like 'Yay Exploration' types to me XD lol. They are like "YAY CREDITS" type tho
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Post by Thrombin on Nov 7, 2016 23:58:59 GMT
Once you reach a certain speed in space you do not decelerate once the arks reach a speed as close as they can to the speed of light (in days?weeks?months?) they shut off the thruster and that's it for the entire voyage. Nope. Just because it's standard practice to keep accelarating until the mid point doesn't mean they have to. I don't see why they can't stop the thrusters once they get fast enough and then restart them again in reverse nearer the end. If the fuel requirements are largely for the thrusters rather than maintaining the ME field then there's no reason to believe they can't bring enough fuel with them. As for discharging, we know that large structures like the Citadel can provide their own discharging facilities and the Arks are easily big enough for that. Maybe they can even recycle the power from the discharge into powering the Core again! I'm not convinced there's any problem with them having the tech to do this. The size of the ships could give them the ability to be self-sustaining where more conventional ships might struggle.
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Post by Iakus on Nov 8, 2016 0:01:36 GMT
Makes sense being when Shepard died and was magically brought back to life... ...everything that followed was a nonsensical dream anyway. What are you talking about? the Lazarus project explain this. Not only that there were clones to harvest organs from, which Citadel DLC undoubtedly explains. If we had the tech they have in ME I'd say we could actually bring someone back to life. Why is that such an unbelievable concept? Head implant surgery is something that is being looked into today; you know where they remove someones head and graph it onto another body. Science is an extraordinary thing, I wouldn't be surprised if we learn how to bring someone back to life. And the reason Shepard's cells (especially brain cells) weren't shredded by ice crystals or dissolved in the ammonia atmosphere?
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Post by 10k on Nov 8, 2016 0:07:42 GMT
What are you talking about? the Lazarus project explain this. Not only that there were clones to harvest organs from, which Citadel DLC undoubtedly explains. If we had the tech they have in ME I'd say we could actually bring someone back to life. Why is that such an unbelievable concept? Head implant surgery is something that is being looked into today; you know where they remove someones head and graph it onto another body. Science is an extraordinary thing, I wouldn't be surprised if we learn how to bring someone back to life. And the reason Shepard's cells (especially brain cells) weren't shredded by ice crystals or dissolved in the ammonia atmosphere? Because I would assume they just used a clone's brain. The only thing mentioned around Shepard's brain is the illusive man didn't want to use a control chip fearing Shepard's personality could be affected. There was never any mention that they used the original brain. The clone in citadel DLC thought it was Shepard why couldn't the brain they used also believe it was Shepard. The clone said Cerberus created it for the use of spare organs, the brain is an organ, so is the skin and any other cells that is said to be reconstructed in the Lazarus lore. They used Shepard's original body held together with cybernetics and clone organs. It was explained.
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Post by fatherjerusalem on Nov 8, 2016 0:15:03 GMT
Maybe - just maybe (it's a crazy thought, I know) - they're not going to give out the entire plot and history of the game in a blurb on a website.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Nov 8, 2016 0:20:05 GMT
Maybe they can even recycle the power from the discharge into powering the Core again! Maybe - just maybe (it's a crazy thought, I know) - they're not going to give out the entire plot and history of the game in a blurb on a website. Ding ding ding ding ding! To the top, if several random posters on the internet can come up with this idea practically independently of one another, than surely the damn writers of the game could as well. To the bottom, well, you'd think that'd be obvious. But never assume.
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Post by Gileadan on Nov 8, 2016 1:24:58 GMT
I for one look forward to the explanation how our protagonist gets the Pathfinder job. Daddy Alec Ryder is the original pathfinder, a blend of elite soldier, explorer and scientist according to the orientation video. What happens so the next best replacement is one of his totally green, unproven kids? Surely they brought not just one guy qualified for the job and hoped that nothing would happen to him?
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Post by bshep on Nov 8, 2016 1:38:46 GMT
Maybe - just maybe (it's a crazy thought, I know) - they're not going to give out the entire plot and history of the game in a blurb on a website. Some people seem to "forget" that....either for the sake of complain or just to simply troll.
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