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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 27, 2018 4:57:02 GMT
So, in order to ensure all the Cerberus crew die, you have to sacrifice Gabby. Booooo. No not Gabby Ken and Gabby were clueless about Cerberus, which actually makes sense. Even Shepard had never heard of them in ME1 until the whole thing went down with Admiral Kahoku. Once you removed them from existence (or, as we learn in ME2, the, or "a", military cell), they probably weren't brought up again because it would look bad to discover that a rogue Alliance black ops group was doing these bad things. (Or, maybe they weren't that. Lore seemed to change between ME1 and ME2.) In any case, I wouldn't sacrifice the crew at all because they were clearly recruited specifically to fool Shepard into thinking Cerberus wasn't that bad, meaning they weren't all that bad. They seemed to have fooled a lot of players, too, because Cerberus were terrorists and any other view is misguided. All I will say is that if these terrorists hadn't stepped in then the Collectors would have succeeded in creating a human Reaper. However, just because Cerberus did something right it doesn't make them not terrorists. See Hades' Dogs mission in ME1 or ask Corporal Toombs about thresher maw venom being injected into his blood or look at the humans seeking refuge being turned into husks on Horizon in ME3. They are terrorists who will sacrifice anyone and anything to accomplish their goal. [Sorry for the rant, but I don't believe in giving terrorism a pass under any circumstances.]
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Post by dazk on Mar 27, 2018 5:42:30 GMT
No not Gabby Ken and Gabby were clueless about Cerberus, which actually makes sense. Even Shepard had never heard of them in ME1 until the whole thing went down with Admiral Kahoku. Once you removed them from existence (or, as we learn in ME2, the, or "a", military cell), they probably weren't brought up again because it would look bad to discover that a rogue Alliance black ops group was doing these bad things. (Or, maybe they weren't that. Lore seemed to change between ME1 and ME2.) In any case, I wouldn't sacrifice the crew at all because they were clearly recruited specifically to fool Shepard into thinking Cerberus wasn't that bad, meaning they weren't all that bad. They seemed to have fooled a lot of players, too, because Cerberus were terrorists and any other view is misguided. All I will say is that if these terrorists hadn't stepped in then the Collectors would have succeeded in creating a human Reaper. However, just because Cerberus did something right it doesn't make them not terrorists. See Hades' Dogs mission in ME1 or ask Corporal Toombs about thresher maw venom being injected into his blood or look at the humans seeking refuge being turned into husks on Horizon in ME3. They are terrorists who will sacrifice anyone and anything to accomplish their goal. [Sorry for the rant, but I don't believe in giving terrorism a pass under any circumstances.] Fair enough I have no trouble with what your saying but I'd cut Ken, Gabby and Kelly some slack for their efforts working with Shepard. Cerberus was a very complex beast with multiple cells and sure they were specifically profiled by TIM to make Shepard feel more comfortable working with Cerberus but isn't that a yes vote for them actually not being a good fit for Cerberus and thus deserving of a second chance? Even Miranda saw the error of her ways in the end and confessed it to Shepard.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 27, 2018 6:29:01 GMT
Ken and Gabby were clueless about Cerberus, which actually makes sense. Even Shepard had never heard of them in ME1 until the whole thing went down with Admiral Kahoku. Once you removed them from existence (or, as we learn in ME2, the, or "a", military cell), they probably weren't brought up again because it would look bad to discover that a rogue Alliance black ops group was doing these bad things. (Or, maybe they weren't that. Lore seemed to change between ME1 and ME2.) In any case, I wouldn't sacrifice the crew at all because they were clearly recruited specifically to fool Shepard into thinking Cerberus wasn't that bad, meaning they weren't all that bad. They seemed to have fooled a lot of players, too, because Cerberus were terrorists and any other view is misguided. All I will say is that if these terrorists hadn't stepped in then the Collectors would have succeeded in creating a human Reaper. However, just because Cerberus did something right it doesn't make them not terrorists. See Hades' Dogs mission in ME1 or ask Corporal Toombs about thresher maw venom being injected into his blood or look at the humans seeking refuge being turned into husks on Horizon in ME3. They are terrorists who will sacrifice anyone and anything to accomplish their goal. [Sorry for the rant, but I don't believe in giving terrorism a pass under any circumstances.] Fair enough I have no trouble with what your saying but I'd cut Ken, Gabby and Kelly some slack for their efforts working with Shepard. Cerberus was a very complex beast with multiple cells and sure they were specifically profiled by TIM to make Shepard feel more comfortable working with Cerberus but isn't that a yes vote for them actually not being a good fit for Cerberus and thus deserving of a second chance? Even Miranda saw the error of her ways in the end and confessed it to Shepard. Yes, that was my original point. Ken and Gabby were clueless about the true nature of Cerberus. (Chakwas and Joker, not so much.) Kelly didn't even know. I'd even go so far as to say that the crew in general really didn't know much about Cerberus other than that they were a private organization that was going after a major threat to humanity. (Yes, I'd say humanity specifically.) That would be enough to draw in some decent people. I worked on Jacob, after all.
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Post by melbella on Mar 27, 2018 12:50:52 GMT
If only there was a way to off Joker....
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Post by themikefest on Mar 27, 2018 14:30:29 GMT
If only there was a way to off Joker.... There is. Have ems below 1750 with destroy being the only option.
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Post by dazk on Mar 27, 2018 20:42:40 GMT
If only there was a way to off Joker.... Sacrilege
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Post by melbella on Mar 28, 2018 2:03:11 GMT
If only there was a way to off Joker.... There is. Have ems below 1750 with destroy being the only option.
I meant in ME2. I should at least be able to punch him for getting me spaced.
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Post by themikefest on Mar 28, 2018 2:38:53 GMT
I meant in ME2. I should at least be able to punch him for getting me spaced. I know. I agree though. I too like to hit him over the head, or better yet, hahaha, leave him.
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Post by dazk on Mar 28, 2018 2:57:12 GMT
I meant in ME2. I should at least be able to punch him for getting me spaced. I know. I agree though. I too like to hit him over the head, or better yet, hahaha, leave him. Why are people so mean Joker is the best, the game would suck without him and Shepard would have had no ship if not for Joker with help from EDI.
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Post by dazk on Apr 10, 2018 8:03:35 GMT
Hey sorry if this has been asked earlier but I don't have the time to trawl back through all the pages. What triggers the Omega 4 Relay mission becoming available? I have just recruited Legion and got the IFF but still have several LM's to do and don't want to get to the stage where the Omega 4 Relay mission pops and I haven't done LM's. themikefest thanks for this thread.
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Hey sorry if this has been asked earlier but I don't have the time to trawl back through all the pages. What triggers the Omega 4 Relay mission becoming available? I have just recruited Legion and got the IFF but still have several LM's to do and don't want to get to the stage where the Omega 4 Relay mission pops and I haven't done LM's. themikefest thanks for this thread. Personally, I don't even get the IFF until all my loyalty missions are done. Once the crew is kidnapped by the Collectors, you can do maybe three missions before they start dying. I would hurry up and do those loyalty missions since you can't even do Legion's until after acquiring the IFF, which only gives you two extra missions. Any non-major missions (Overlord, the stuff with the Hammerhead, etc.) can wait until after the SM, if need be.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2018 10:38:00 GMT
Hey sorry if this has been asked earlier but I don't have the time to trawl back through all the pages. What triggers the Omega 4 Relay mission becoming available? I have just recruited Legion and got the IFF but still have several LM's to do and don't want to get to the stage where the Omega 4 Relay mission pops and I haven't done LM's. themikefest thanks for this thread. It's a bit of a variable as to how many missions you get before the crew is abducted. If, for example, you had done all the LM's and side missions prior to getting Legion and failed to get Legion's LM from him immediately, the crew would be abducted right away. If you had done all the LM's and side missions prior to getting Legion and then acquired Legion's LM, then you get the opportunity to do just that mission before the crew is abducted. If you have some other missions outstanding (and at least one of those is a LM), then you can often get 2 missions in before the crew is abducted. If there are a significant number of the LM's not yet done, the game might allow 3 missions before the crew is abducted. I don't think anyone has actually managed to figure out the whole algorithm though, and I've personally not heard of anyone getting more than 3 missions. After the crew is abducted, doing 1 to 3 missions before going through the relay will result in 1/2 the crew dying. Doing 4 or more will result in the entire crew dying except for Dr. Chakwas. If I remember correctly, not providing an escort during the SM is what results in her dying.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 10, 2018 11:12:02 GMT
Hey sorry if this has been asked earlier but I don't have the time to trawl back through all the pages. What triggers the Omega 4 Relay mission becoming available? I have just recruited Legion and got the IFF but still have several LM's to do and don't want to get to the stage where the Omega 4 Relay mission pops and I haven't done LM's. themikefest thanks for this thread. Once you obtain the IFF, you are able to complete up to two missions before the game takes over leading to the abduction of the crew. I was able to complete 3 missions, only once, but was never able to duplicate that or figure out why I was able to complete 3 missions. I just assumed I had a glitch for that playthrough What I do is complete everything that I want to complete before getting the IFF. If you don't mind having losses during the suicide mission, then go get the IFF right away. In your case, I would complete 2 loyalty missions that would benefit the suicide mission the most that would lead to having the highest survival possible. It would help if you could list who you have recruited, and who is currently loyal. Doing that, I could suggest what 2 loyalty missions I would complete.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2018 12:23:30 GMT
Hey sorry if this has been asked earlier but I don't have the time to trawl back through all the pages. What triggers the Omega 4 Relay mission becoming available? I have just recruited Legion and got the IFF but still have several LM's to do and don't want to get to the stage where the Omega 4 Relay mission pops and I haven't done LM's. themikefest thanks for this thread. Once you obtain the IFF, you are able to complete up to two missions before the game takes over leading to the abduction of the crew. I was able to complete 3 missions, only once, but was never able to duplicate that or figure out why I was able to complete 3 missions. I just assumed I had a glitch for that playthrough What I do is complete everything that I want to complete before getting the IFF. If you don't mind having losses during the suicide mission, then go get the IFF right away. In your case, I would complete 2 loyalty missions that would benefit the suicide mission the most that would lead to having the highest survival possible. It would help if you could list who you have recruited, and who is currently loyal. Doing that, I could suggest what 2 loyalty missions I would complete. I wonder if it allows 3 missions if your XP is below a certain level. Since ME2 gives additional XP for every mission after you complete 1 playthrough, perhaps it's a situation that only happens if the playthrough involved is that player's first one and they obtain the IFF as early as possible in the game.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 10, 2018 12:34:25 GMT
I wonder if it allows 3 missions if your XP is below a certain level. Since ME2 gives additional XP for every mission after you complete 1 playthrough, perhaps it's a situation that only happens if the playthrough involved is that player's first one and they obtain the IFF as early as possible in the game. That never happened for me. I have completed the game reaching only level 14. It's one of the playthroughs where I did very little to complete the game. If I remember right, I had one death on the suicide mission.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2018 13:15:58 GMT
I wonder if it allows 3 missions if your XP is below a certain level. Since ME2 gives additional XP for every mission after you complete 1 playthrough, perhaps it's a situation that only happens if the playthrough involved is that player's first one and they obtain the IFF as early as possible in the game. That never happened for me. I have completed the game reaching only level 14. It's one of the playthroughs where I did very little to complete the game. If I remember right, I had one death on the suicide mission. OK, it was just a theory. On a player's very first playthrough each mission does yield less XP than it does when you've already completed the game once. For example, recruitment missions give 1000 XP on the first playthrough and 1250 XP on every subsequent playthrough regardless of how the player's character is started (ME import, ME2 import, or brand new). That means, if you played the game exactly the same way twice, you would arbitrarily be at a higher level on your second attempt than on your very first. The only way for me to get around that boost on the Xbox would be to create an entirely new Xbox profile (one that did not have the Long Service achievement). Of course, I can't say about what the PS systems do or what can be done about rolling back achievements on the PC.
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Post by dazk on Apr 10, 2018 21:49:19 GMT
Hey sorry if this has been asked earlier but I don't have the time to trawl back through all the pages. What triggers the Omega 4 Relay mission becoming available? I have just recruited Legion and got the IFF but still have several LM's to do and don't want to get to the stage where the Omega 4 Relay mission pops and I haven't done LM's. themikefest thanks for this thread. Once you obtain the IFF, you are able to complete up to two missions before the game takes over leading to the abduction of the crew. I was able to complete 3 missions, only once, but was never able to duplicate that or figure out why I was able to complete 3 missions. I just assumed I had a glitch for that playthrough What I do is complete everything that I want to complete before getting the IFF. If you don't mind having losses during the suicide mission, then go get the IFF right away. In your case, I would complete 2 loyalty missions that would benefit the suicide mission the most that would lead to having the highest survival possible. It would help if you could list who you have recruited, and who is currently loyal. Doing that, I could suggest what 2 loyalty missions I would complete. Cheers for the reply, I have done the following LM's: Zaeed, Jacob, Miranda, Tali, Jack and Kasumi, but still have Garrus, Thane and Samara's to do. I think I'll just load a save prior to the IFF mission and leave it till later. I only did it to kick Tali's romance along and I don't mind doing the IFF mission again it's quite fun.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 10, 2018 22:03:29 GMT
Cheers for the reply, I have done the following LM's: Zaeed, Jacob, Miranda, Tali, Jack and Kasumi, but still have Garrus, Thane and Samara's to do. I would complete Mordin's loyalty mission and Grunts'. I wouldn't. You have enough for all to survive. With the above, and I'm going to assume that the SR2 has all upgrades, I would have Miranda as fireteam leader both times, Jack maintain the barrier, Tali/Kasumi in the vent, Mordin escorts the crew back, and take Tali/Jack/Kasumi to fight the proto reaper. The rest will survive holding the line since you have enough for all to survive. Once the suicide mission is completed, you can complete Thane, Samara, Garrus, Legion, loyalty missions, if you like.
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Post by dazk on Apr 11, 2018 0:22:23 GMT
Cheers for the reply, I have done the following LM's: Zaeed, Jacob, Miranda, Tali, Jack and Kasumi, but still have Garrus, Thane and Samara's to do. I would complete Mordin's loyalty mission and Grunts'. I wouldn't. You have enough for all to survive. With the above, and I'm going to assume that the SR2 has all upgrades, I would have Miranda as fireteam leader both times, Jack maintain the barrier, Tali/Kasumi in the vent, Mordin escorts the crew back, and take Tali/Jack/Kasumi to fight the proto reaper. The rest will survive holding the line since you have enough for all to survive. Once the suicide mission is completed, you can complete Thane, Samara, Garrus, Legion, loyalty missions, if you like. Hey thanks for taking the time to answer, sorry I forgot about Grunt and Mordin's LM The IFF mission was literally the last thing I did yesterday so it really isn't a big deal. I stupidly did it cause I was literally in the system right next to it and thought I'll knock that over while I am here. Then last night I was thinking hang on the suicide mission has dependencies based on Loyalty Missions and I haven't done them all!!!! So thanks for the responses and the recommendations (which I'll use anyway) but I'll just go to my last save before the IFF mission and do the LM's I haven't completed. Cheers
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I would complete Mordin's loyalty mission and Grunts'. I wouldn't. You have enough for all to survive. With the above, and I'm going to assume that the SR2 has all upgrades, I would have Miranda as fireteam leader both times, Jack maintain the barrier, Tali/Kasumi in the vent, Mordin escorts the crew back, and take Tali/Jack/Kasumi to fight the proto reaper. The rest will survive holding the line since you have enough for all to survive. Once the suicide mission is completed, you can complete Thane, Samara, Garrus, Legion, loyalty missions, if you like. Hey thanks for taking the time to answer, sorry I forgot about Grunt and Mordin's LM The IFF mission was literally the last thing I did yesterday so it really isn't a big deal. I stupidly did it cause I was literally in the system right next to it and thought I'll knock that over while I am here. Then last night I was thinking hang on the suicide mission has dependencies based on Loyalty Missions and I haven't done them all!!!! So thanks for the responses and the recommendations (which I'll use anyway) but I'll just go to my last save before the IFF mission and do the LM's I haven't completed. Cheers Having everyone loyal does make things go a little more smoothly in ME3, so I think you're making a good choice even though you could get by the SM without going back to an earlier save.
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Post by dazk on Apr 11, 2018 0:38:35 GMT
Hey thanks for taking the time to answer, sorry I forgot about Grunt and Mordin's LM The IFF mission was literally the last thing I did yesterday so it really isn't a big deal. I stupidly did it cause I was literally in the system right next to it and thought I'll knock that over while I am here. Then last night I was thinking hang on the suicide mission has dependencies based on Loyalty Missions and I haven't done them all!!!! So thanks for the responses and the recommendations (which I'll use anyway) but I'll just go to my last save before the IFF mission and do the LM's I haven't completed. Cheers Having everyone loyal does make things go a little more smoothly in ME3, so I think you're making a good choice even though you could get by the SM without going back to an earlier save. Yeah backtracking 20 minutes will make me not stress when I do get to the SM as well and I'd probably be tempted to not do some of the other missions afterwards out of impatience to play ME3 and so you are right that'd impact on ME3.
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Post by melbella on Apr 11, 2018 0:55:26 GMT
Having everyone loyal does make things go a little more smoothly in ME3, so I think you're making a good choice even though you could get by the SM without going back to an earlier save. Yeah backtracking 20 minutes will make me not stress when I do get to the SM as well and I'd probably be tempted to not do some of the other missions afterwards out of impatience to play ME3 and so you are right that'd impact on ME3.
Yeah, don't rush through it. Gotta give me time to catch up. No way am I playing ME2 on Insanity this time around!
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Post by dazk on Apr 11, 2018 1:06:09 GMT
Yeah backtracking 20 minutes will make me not stress when I do get to the SM as well and I'd probably be tempted to not do some of the other missions afterwards out of impatience to play ME3 and so you are right that'd impact on ME3.
Yeah, don't rush through it. Gotta give me time to catch up. No way am I playing ME2 on Insanity this time around!
I am playing on Normal and I was actually amazed a couple of times but particularly on the IFF mission how much effort I had to put into it. Admittedly I am not using The Revenant instead using the Collector AR which does less damage but I took it too casually at first and got swamped by Husks and died.
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Post by Quickpaw on Apr 29, 2018 18:33:24 GMT
Well, there is this handy little tool: Suicide Mission Survival Calculator. It's an exe that shows you how you can configure things and who would die as a result. My best is having everybody (crew included) survive with only seven squadmates loyal.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 29, 2018 19:05:57 GMT
Well, there is this handy little tool: Suicide Mission Survival Calculator. It's an exe that shows you how you can configure things and who would die as a result. My best is having everybody (crew included) survive with only seven squadmates loyal. Yep. I've tried with 6 loyal, but someone will not survive.
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