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ME2 Suicide Mission Guide Apr 30, 2018 1:32:47 GMT

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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 30, 2018 1:32:47 GMT

Apr 29, 2018 18:33:24 GMT Quickpaw said:

Well, there is this handy little tool: Suicide Mission Survival Calculator. It's an exe that shows you how you can configure things and who would die as a result. My best is having everybody (crew included) survive with only seven squadmates loyal.

It's pretty easy anyway. If you recruit everyone and do all the ship upgrades, everyone will survive to get to the SM. If you realize Jacob is stupid and Miranda is smart, you won't send him through the vents. You'll send someone tech savvy, like Tali or Kasumi. Whoever leads the fireteam squad has to have leadership skills. That means Miranda or Garrus. Defense against the seeker swarms takes the most powerful of biotics, so Samara or Jack would be ideal (though for RP reasons I make it all biotics "just in case" someone can't maintain the barrier). Send Mordin back with the crew to keep them safe. Take some heavy hitters to fight the proto-human Reaper. I like Miranda there because it gives her the opportunity to give notice to TIM. Being cautious, I use Garrus, Zaeed and Grunt to hold the line, which leaves them out of the final battle. Jacob or Jack would be good choices for the second final battle squadmate.

If you follow these rules you'll get 100% survival rate. Now, this is trial and error type stuff, at least some of it, but you can figure a lot of it out. I know I let Jacob go through the vents once and he died. From that I learned to listen to Miranda.

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Post by themikefest on Apr 30, 2018 2:34:38 GMT

Apr 30, 2018 1:32:47 GMT dmc1001 said:

From that I learned to listen to Miranda.

It also will get the crew killed since she doesn't believe its wise to send anyone back with them. She wants to make sure that all squadmates are available for what comes next.

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ME2 Suicide Mission Guide Apr 30, 2018 10:08:50 GMT

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Apr 30, 2018 2:34:38 GMT themikefest said:

Apr 30, 2018 1:32:47 GMT dmc1001 said:

From that I learned to listen to Miranda.

It also will get the crew killed since she doesn't believe its wise to send anyone back with them. She wants to make sure that all squadmates are available for what comes next.

I meant in this specific instance. She was obviously wrong when it came to "any biotic" being able to hold the barrier against the seeker swarm.

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Apr 30, 2018 10:08:50 GMT dmc1001 said:

Apr 30, 2018 2:34:38 GMT themikefest said:

It also will get the crew killed since she doesn't believe its wise to send anyone back with them. She wants to make sure that all squadmates are available for what comes next.

I meant in this specific instance. She was obviously wrong when it came to "any biotic" being able to hold the barrier against the seeker swarm.

She said "in theory" any biotic.

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ME2 Suicide Mission Guide Apr 30, 2018 17:15:17 GMT

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Apr 30, 2018 12:37:47 GMT themikefest said:

Apr 30, 2018 10:08:50 GMT dmc1001 said:

I meant in this specific instance. She was obviously wrong when it came to "any biotic" being able to hold the barrier against the seeker swarm.

She said "in theory" any biotic.

True, but not all biotics were created equal.

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Apr 30, 2018 17:15:17 GMT dmc1001 said:

Apr 30, 2018 12:37:47 GMT themikefest said:

She said "in theory" any biotic.

True, but not all biotics were created equal.

True, but in order for a true biotic to maintain that barrier, their loyaty mission has to be completed

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ME2 Suicide Mission Guide Apr 30, 2018 19:17:43 GMT

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Apr 30, 2018 18:39:53 GMT themikefest said:

Apr 30, 2018 17:15:17 GMT dmc1001 said:

True, but not all biotics were created equal.

True, but in order for a true biotic to maintain that barrier, their loyaty mission has to be completed

Sure, but all the loyalty missions in the world won't help Jacob maintain that barrier. Same with Thane. Or Miranda. The only ones with the strength to maintain the barrier are Samara/Morinth and Jack. I don't think the others aren't "true" biotics. They're just not as strong. It's like any skill: ability varies. Kaidan would probably be able to hold it but he was exceptionally powerful. Could a biotic Shepard? Maybe. Shepard is certainly powerful in battle but even Kaidan says he spikes higher than most L3's except Shepard. Wrex probably couldn't hold it because krogan biotics don't seem to be very refined in their use. Liara? Kind of doubt it. Javik probably could. (I think that touches on all biotics in the MET.)

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ME2 Suicide Mission Guide Apr 30, 2018 19:53:42 GMT

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Apr 30, 2018 19:17:43 GMT dmc1001 said:

Apr 30, 2018 18:39:53 GMT themikefest said:

True, but in order for a true biotic to maintain that barrier, their loyaty mission has to be completed

Sure, but all the loyalty missions in the world won't help Jacob maintain that barrier. Same with Thane. Or Miranda. The only ones with the strength to maintain the barrier are Samara/Morinth and Jack. I don't think the others aren't "true" biotics. They're just not as strong. It's like any skill: ability varies.

Sure, but Miranda's comment still stands.

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ME2 Suicide Mission Guide Apr 30, 2018 20:41:36 GMT

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Apr 30, 2018 19:53:42 GMT themikefest said:

Apr 30, 2018 19:17:43 GMT dmc1001 said:

Sure, but all the loyalty missions in the world won't help Jacob maintain that barrier. Same with Thane. Or Miranda. The only ones with the strength to maintain the barrier are Samara/Morinth and Jack. I don't think the others aren't "true" biotics. They're just not as strong. It's like any skill: ability varies.

Sure, but Miranda's comment still stands.

In theory, but even she knew that not everyone was capable. I don't think she would have suggested Jacob or Thane.

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I'm sure you're right about that. I don't recall what she says if Samara isn't recruited and Jack died before reaching the base.

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Apr 30, 2018 19:17:43 GMT dmc1001 said:

Apr 30, 2018 18:39:53 GMT themikefest said:

True, but in order for a true biotic to maintain that barrier, their loyaty mission has to be completed

Sure, but all the loyalty missions in the world won't help Jacob maintain that barrier. Same with Thane. Or Miranda. The only ones with the strength to maintain the barrier are Samara/Morinth and Jack. I don't think the others aren't "true" biotics. They're just not as strong. It's like any skill: ability varies. Kaidan would probably be able to hold it but he was exceptionally powerful. Could a biotic Shepard? Maybe. Shepard is certainly powerful in battle but even Kaidan says he spikes higher than most L3's except Shepard. Wrex probably couldn't hold it because krogan biotics don't seem to be very refined in their use. Liara? Kind of doubt it. Javik probably could. (I think that touches on all biotics in the MET.)

I don't think being able to hold the bubble is as much about biotic strength as it is about mental strength.

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ME2 Suicide Mission Guide May 1, 2018 2:04:25 GMT

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May 1, 2018 0:37:36 GMT melbella said:

Apr 30, 2018 19:17:43 GMT dmc1001 said:

Sure, but all the loyalty missions in the world won't help Jacob maintain that barrier. Same with Thane. Or Miranda. The only ones with the strength to maintain the barrier are Samara/Morinth and Jack. I don't think the others aren't "true" biotics. They're just not as strong. It's like any skill: ability varies. Kaidan would probably be able to hold it but he was exceptionally powerful. Could a biotic Shepard? Maybe. Shepard is certainly powerful in battle but even Kaidan says he spikes higher than most L3's except Shepard. Wrex probably couldn't hold it because krogan biotics don't seem to be very refined in their use. Liara? Kind of doubt it. Javik probably could. (I think that touches on all biotics in the MET.)

I don't think being able to hold the bubble is as much about biotic strength as it is about mental strength.

Hard to say but wouldn't you admit Samara is more powerful than Jacob? There are definitely different levels of biotic strength.

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May 1, 2018 2:04:25 GMT dmc1001 said:

May 1, 2018 0:37:36 GMT melbella said:

I don't think being able to hold the bubble is as much about biotic strength as it is about mental strength.

Hard to say but wouldn't you admit Samara is more powerful than Jacob? There are definitely different levels of biotic strength.

Sure, but if she isn't loyal, the bubble fails. Is she less strong a biotic then, or just less committed?

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ME2 Suicide Mission Guide May 1, 2018 3:14:28 GMT

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May 1, 2018 2:48:30 GMT melbella said:

May 1, 2018 2:04:25 GMT dmc1001 said:

Hard to say but wouldn't you admit Samara is more powerful than Jacob? There are definitely different levels of biotic strength.

Sure, but if she isn't loyal, the bubble fails. Is she less strong a biotic then, or just less committed?

Are you talking about Samara? I suppose. Miranda fails under any circumstance, even if loyal.

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May 1, 2018 3:14:28 GMT dmc1001 said:

May 1, 2018 2:48:30 GMT melbella said:

Sure, but if she isn't loyal, the bubble fails. Is she less strong a biotic then, or just less committed?

Are you talking about Samara? I suppose. Miranda fails under any circumstance, even if loyal.

Yeah, Miranda can't do it, loyal or not, which is how I lost Jack in my very first game. While she talks a good talk, I think she's too insecure in her belief that her abilities are her own. Meanwhile, Jack's abilities aren't any more natural than Miranda's but her rage fuels her. If she's loyal, she's able to focus that rage/power and keep the bubble intact.

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May 1, 2018 3:33:00 GMT melbella said:

May 1, 2018 3:14:28 GMT dmc1001 said:

Are you talking about Samara? I suppose. Miranda fails under any circumstance, even if loyal.

Yeah, Miranda can't do it, loyal or not, which is how I lost Jack in my very first game. While she talks a good talk, I think she's too insecure in her belief that her abilities are her own. Meanwhile, Jack's abilities aren't any more natural than Miranda's but her rage fuels her. If she's loyal, she's able to focus that rage/power and keep the bubble intact.

In cut scenes, Jack is definitely more powerful than Miranda. In gameplay...not so much.

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Post by The Biotic Trebuchet on Nov 6, 2018 6:09:31 GMT

By the Power of Lucifer^TM, i pull a necro.

I need your collective help to know if there's a console command to change the value of the defense force of a squadmate for the "Hold the line" segment (ex. make a loyal member have a non-loyal level of defense force), or a console command to directly kill that squadmate (i'm doing an apocaliptyc run)?

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ME2 Suicide Mission Guide Jun 16, 2019 20:26:47 GMT

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Jun 15, 2019 22:04:33 GMT @upagain said:

Jun 15, 2019 21:29:51 GMT Iakus said:

Point of order: It's entirely possible to get through the game without recruiting any of the tech experts

I've never actually played through ME2 without recruiting at least one of the techies. Does Miranda still tell Shep that we need a tech expert for the vents?

She says the same as if Tali and/or Legion have been recruited. I'm not surprised. I've done it a few times. I had to playthrough the game just now to make sure.

As a note. For those who want to do this or want to know what happens, two squadmates will die no matter what. One death will be because no shield upgrade, provided by Tali, and a squadmate doing the vent since they're not qualified

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So, I asked on the other fan forums about trying to recreate my old playthrough that I had specially orchestrated with the only survivors being Shepard's girlfriends (LOL) and then, the other day thanks to the wayback machine, I was able to find the old Bioware forums page where it was posted, so I thought I'd share it with you all, and as one would suspect, thanks goes to Pacifen who was the one who came up with this plan for me way back then!

Pacifen wrote:

This is actually one of the more difficult ones, then.

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Final Squadmates: Jack and Miranda
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Loyals: Garrus, Jacob, Jack, Kasumi, Legion, Miranda, Mordin, Thane
Nonloyals: Grunt, Samara, Tali, Zaeed*

Before going through the Omega-4 Mass Relay:
- You *must* resolve the confrontation between Jack and Miranda.
- You must either sabotage Tali's loyalty mission or side with Legion.
- You must either skip Samara's loyalty mission or sabotage it by scaring Morinth away.
- You must skip Grunt's loyalty mission. (You can alternately skip Mordin's or Kasumi's.)
- You must upgrade the armor, but NOT the shields or weapons systems of the Normandy.
* - YOU MUST NOT RECRUIT ZAEED.

Take Tali and Kasumi to fight the Oculus so that Legion will die.

Vents: Jacob
NO Escort
Biotic: Use anyone but Jack, take Garrus with anyone but Jack
2nd Fireteam Leader: Mordin (or Kasumi)
Left to Hold the Line: Tali, Kasumi, Jack, Miranda (According to the HtL calculations, 2 should die here.)
Final Boss Team: Samara and Grunt

* AFTER the suicide mission, you can recruit Zaeed. Do his loyalty mission and take the paragon path. You can then leave him to die.

Death Toll
1. Legion - No shield upgrade, incinerated.
2. Thane - No weapon upgrade, impaled.
3. Jacob - Rocket to the face.
4. Garrus - Taken by Seeker Swarms.
5. Mordin - Shot while closing the door.
6. Tali
7. Kasumi - Hold the Line score too low, both die
8. Samara
9. Grunt - Both unloyal, die after the final boss fight
10. Zaeed - Left to burn.

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ME2 Suicide Mission Guide Jul 14, 2019 15:22:36 GMT

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Jul 14, 2019 13:28:52 GMT absolutgrndzer0 said:

So, I asked on the other fan forums about trying to recreate my old playthrough that I had specially orchestrated with the only survivors being Shepard's girlfriends (LOL) and then, the other day thanks to the wayback machine, I was able to find the old Bioware forums page where it was posted, so I thought I'd share it with you all, and as one would suspect, thanks goes to Pacifen who was the one who came up with this plan for me way back then!

Pacifen wrote:

This is actually one of the more difficult ones, then.

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Final Squadmates: Jack and Miranda
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Loyals: Garrus, Jacob, Jack, Kasumi, Legion, Miranda, Mordin, Thane
Nonloyals: Grunt, Samara, Tali, Zaeed*

Before going through the Omega-4 Mass Relay:
- You *must* resolve the confrontation between Jack and Miranda.
- You must either sabotage Tali's loyalty mission or side with Legion.
- You must either skip Samara's loyalty mission or sabotage it by scaring Morinth away.
- You must skip Grunt's loyalty mission. (You can alternately skip Mordin's or Kasumi's.)
- You must upgrade the armor, but NOT the shields or weapons systems of the Normandy.
* - YOU MUST NOT RECRUIT ZAEED.

Take Tali and Kasumi to fight the Oculus so that Legion will die.

Vents: Jacob
NO Escort
Biotic: Use anyone but Jack, take Garrus with anyone but Jack
2nd Fireteam Leader: Mordin (or Kasumi)
Left to Hold the Line: Tali, Kasumi, Jack, Miranda (According to the HtL calculations, 2 should die here.)
Final Boss Team: Samara and Grunt

* AFTER the suicide mission, you can recruit Zaeed. Do his loyalty mission and take the paragon path. You can then leave him to die.

Death Toll
1. Legion - No shield upgrade, incinerated.
2. Thane - No weapon upgrade, impaled.
3. Jacob - Rocket to the face.
4. Garrus - Taken by Seeker Swarms.
5. Mordin - Shot while closing the door.
6. Tali
7. Kasumi - Hold the Line score too low, both die
8. Samara
9. Grunt - Both unloyal, die after the final boss fight
10. Zaeed - Left to burn.

Wow. That is a very, very precise playthrough. I just save everyone, it's much easier that way :lol:

When I die, I want Bioware to carry my casket, so they can let me down, one last time.

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Jul 14, 2019 13:28:52 GMT absolutgrndzer0 said:

Pacifen wrote:

This is actually one of the more difficult ones, then.

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Final Squadmates: Jack and Miranda
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Loyals: Garrus, Jacob, Jack, Kasumi, Legion, Miranda, Mordin, Thane
Nonloyals: Grunt, Samara, Tali, Zaeed*

Before going through the Omega-4 Mass Relay:
- You *must* resolve the confrontation between Jack and Miranda.

Note: For those who have trouble keeping both loyal, I do both loyalty missions as early as possible. Right after Horizon, I complete Lawson's loyalty mission. Once done, I talk with Jack, and then complete her loyalty mission right away. When doing that, I get both the blue and red dialogue options regardless if I'm paragon or renegade.

Vents: Jacob
NO Escort
Biotic: Use anyone but Jack, take Garrus with anyone but Jack
2nd Fireteam Leader: Mordin (or Kasumi)
Left to Hold the Line: Tali, Kasumi, Jack, Miranda (According to the HtL calculations, 2 should die here.)
Final Boss Team: Samara and Grunt

Not bad. When I want most of the squadmates to die, I get rid of the strongest ones as quickly as possible. If I was to have Miranda and Jack be the only survivors, I would have Legion killed because no shields, Thane because no weapon. I would send Garrus in the vent. Jacob gets to go flying with the seeker swarms while Grunt is killed as 2nd fireteam leader. Samara and Tali get killed fighting the proto reaper and Mordin and Kasumi die holding the line. If I were to have the crew survive, I would recruit Zaeed, not do his loyalty mission so he can die escorting the crew back.

This is what's great about the suicide mission. A player can have the same result by doing different things during the suicide mission.

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ME2 Suicide Mission Guide Dec 8, 2019 18:47:18 GMT

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Post by Sonya on Dec 8, 2019 18:47:18 GMT

An old topic but whatever. Several months ago encounted a thing I don't know how to explain.
The purpose is: only Tali is dead, others - alive (incl the crew).
In both cases made the same choices everywhere and according to the apprxm calculator Tali should be dead, though in case 1 - she was alive, in case 2 - dead.
In both cases Legion mission is done the same way: geth rewritten. Legion is present during Tali's LM. Legion's mission is the last one.
Case 1: Tali is a would-be (if not for planned death) admiral due to Shep renegade speech to those admirals. In Legion - Tali argument took Legion side so Tali became unloyal, but survived "hold the line" somehow.
Case 2: Tali is unloyal as I gave the evidence about her father's experiments. No Legion - Tali agrument as she is unloyal already.
Don't remember whom I took for the final battle and who held the line but know for sure "hold the line" number was ab 1,8 in both cases. The rest, as had mentioned, was the same.
Don't understand the outcome in both cases actually: should be dead in both cases, but was alive in case 1 (but it could be some error of the game calculations, though this method has never failed me in all my ab 50 PTs). Or maybe in case 1 her "loyalty to unloyaly" played some role for the game calculations.
Wanted to replay both cases but was tired already and just left the last save.
Also wanted to check others, but didn't have time.

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ME2 Suicide Mission Guide Dec 10, 2019 0:23:14 GMT

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Post by RedCaesar97 on Dec 10, 2019 0:23:14 GMT

Dec 8, 2019 18:47:18 GMT Sonya said:

An old topic but whatever. Several months ago encounted a thing I don't know how to explain.
The purpose is: only Tali is dead, others - alive (incl the crew).
In both cases made the same choices everywhere and according to the apprxm calculator Tali should be dead, though in case 1 - she was alive, in case 2 - dead.
In both cases Legion mission is done the same way: geth rewritten. Legion is present during Tali's LM. Legion's mission is the last one.
Case 1: Tali is a would-be (if not for planned death) admiral due to Shep renegade speech to those admirals. In Legion - Tali argument took Legion side so Tali became unloyal, but survived "hold the line" somehow.
Case 2: Tali is unloyal as I gave the evidence about her father's experiments. No Legion - Tali agrument as she is unloyal already.
Don't remember whom I took for the final battle and who held the line but know for sure "hold the line" number was ab 1,8 in both cases. The rest, as had mentioned, was the same.
Don't understand the outcome in both cases actually: should be dead in both cases, but was alive in case 1 (but it could be some error of the game calculations, though this method has never failed me in all my ab 50 PTs). Or maybe in case 1 her "loyalty to unloyaly" played some role for the game calculations.
Wanted to replay both cases but was tired already and just left the last save.
Also wanted to check others, but didn't have time.

If you want to make sure only Tali dies without having to rely on the "hold the line" score, you can send her into the vents but choose someone other than a loyal Garrus, Miranda, or Jacob as the second fireteam leader.

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ME2 Suicide Mission Guide Dec 10, 2019 8:29:02 GMT

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Post by Sonya on Dec 10, 2019 8:29:02 GMT

Dec 10, 2019 0:29:54 GMT RedCaesar97 said:

If you want to make sure only Tali dies without having to rely on the "hold the line" score, you can send her into the vents but choose someone other than a loyal Garrus, Miranda, or Jacob as the second fireteam leader.

I know that. And have my "Tali dead save" which I use. But the point was I experimented and in this case just don't understand "WHY".
How to kill someone I know, and to kill someone not to look like an idiot-Shepard ans w/o any regrets "TALI!!!!!!" (after she died in vents. I don't need that as hate this character).
So posted this question so maybe someone could point out "WHY".
But thanks for replying.

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ME2 Suicide Mission Guide Dec 11, 2019 22:18:45 GMT

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Post by themikefest on Dec 11, 2019 22:18:45 GMT

Dec 10, 2019 8:29:02 GMT Sonya said:

So posted this question so maybe someone could point out "WHY".

You may have answered your own question by saying

Or maybe in case 1 her "loyalty to unloyaly" played some role for the game calculations.

which is possible.

As many times as I've completed the suicide mission, I've had a few results that didn't make sense. For example, I had Taylor, Krios and another squadmate as the only ones holding the line. Krios died which should not have happened. When I repeated the mission, instead of Krios dying, it was Taylor. Outside of that and a couple other times, the result I wanted worked out.

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