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Post by fade9wayz on Nov 29, 2016 22:35:36 GMT
Just to set the record straight, I only signed up on this forum because as it stood, I had no centralized way to get info since Facebook and Twitter are unreliable, and I am completely aware this is a fan made site. BTW, I was permabanned from the official forums in 2012 for calling out BioWare on their bullshit. Another thing I want to straighten out is I am going to YouTube the game when it releases and I'm content eating my popcorn if there is an equal backlash as ME3.One way or another, they're not earning my cash. Were you perchance banned because your comments were rude? If so it's absolutely no medal of honor. Many people managed to convey their criticism over ME3 without getting permabanned from BSN Prime. I know, I witnessed the whole thing too. Still, I have to wonder what kind of person claims having little to no interest in a game or company, yet spends so much time looking for any news concerning them, buying the dlcs of a game they say they despise, and are planning to waste hours of their life watching the next game on youtube. Again, expressing concerns over a game you're interested in, even if only a little, is fine and perfectly normal. I'm pretty sure we all have our own. Waiting for reviews before buying a product is being customer-savvy. However, if you're only spreading your negativity and hoping BW fails out of some perverse spite as what you said suggests, I hope you eventually learn to move on. This is kind of sad, honestly. There are better and more important things in life to spend one's time and energy on, than on things that are deemed aggravating or boring, especially when the things in question are mere games.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2016 22:52:54 GMT
Just to set the record straight, I only signed up on this forum because as it stood, I had no centralized way to get info since Facebook and Twitter are unreliable, and I am completely aware this is a fan made site. BTW, I was permabanned from the official forums in 2012 for calling out BioWare on their bullshit. Another thing I want to straighten out is I am going to YouTube the game when it releases and I'm content eating my popcorn if there is an equal backlash as ME3.One way or another, they're not earning my cash. Were you perchance banned because your comments were rude? If so it's absolutely no medal of honor. Many people managed to convey their criticism over ME3 without getting permabanned from BSN Prime. I know, I witnessed the whole thing too. Nope, my comments were not rude. Protip: Look for the topic "A list of lies we were fed" on this board. Those were the grounds I was banned for, and Priestly was a douchebag about it.
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Post by fchopin on Nov 29, 2016 23:03:01 GMT
I'm still baffled I'm always the first to post it though. I generally check in at Gameinformer around the same time of day when I know there'll be news, but I waited maybe half an hour before posting it anywhere and still nobody had picked it up. If people want someone other than me to do it, they should probably be more eager to get the word out there because it seems like nobody else is really pushing for it but me. Keep doing what you're doing. I like the skepticism you always have in your writing when you make these threads. It seems a lot of people here don't like you being critical of BW. It's your opinion, I see no harm with it. +1 from me. Let people say what they want, stop trying to make people say only what you like. If the forum is only to say we like everything Bioware then i will not be here long.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Nov 29, 2016 23:27:00 GMT
Hey Amirit! Very well said, thank you! I also want MEA to be very good game, with interesting characters, good story, gameplay and many ''forgotten'' planets to explore (I wish that for any ME fans really, as we all deserve good next-gen ME game including BioWare), I will stay positive until first reviews (lol) and I hope I will be surprised even more then There is no way the actual reviews or metacritic scores will paint this game in a negative light. I generally disagree with the 9/10s and especially the insane 10/10s people gave ME3 and I'd give DA:I a 7 rather than anything above, but honestly, I think you can have a 9/10 game that's still bad because in contrast to other really, really good games it's just not quite up there. I don't expect ME:A to score below 8/10 even with as little as we know, that's not what I'm afraid of. It's just that strictly by my own sensibilities the game will feel lame or something.
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Post by goishen on Nov 30, 2016 2:52:51 GMT
Oh, I own all three of the games. I tried both DA and ME at the same time, and ME captured me as a player from the very first moment, while DA did not. It was really dark (environment, not writing or setting), so I did not like the artwork, and the story just did not offer me the immediate hook to want to know what happened next. It has reminded me NWN1, my personal bioware disappointment (I think most of us have one of those). I know folks alway prefer others to like what they do. Heh, I keep trying to get my SWTOR guilders to give ME a shot, but there is always this certain something that each individual player seeks. And after years of Baldur's Gate, icewind Dale, and NWN2, I am compelled to stay away from the elves, dwarves, bows and spears. Now, on a completely unrelated topic, the "pause" -i don't have any in-genre examples, because as someone acutely noted I have never played an FPS (including MET experience), but from what I have tried, I am keeping my fingers crossed it will be more sleek, like blade and soul, rather as needlessly complicated as SWTOR. I actually agree that a game that is too hard to play is not a well designed game. I don't really like either running out of the keys on the keyboard to bind your every skill and memorizing a set 40 moves rotation, Or spending most of my time in combat with the game paused, rotating the view to spot the enemies. Or, alternatively, having it on casual, and letting everything blow up before I shoot a spell. i hope for something intuitive, with a lot of movement, but still okay on a normal difficulty for someone without the live wire reflexes. Fingers crossed! Not to derail the thread completely, but... My own issues wit the entire DA series is that it goes so much on faith. Do you believe or not? The first game was kick ass, because they hid it beneath a story about a grey warden, the second in the series was alright, because they hid beneath the hero of Kirkwall. All to be blown out in the third of the series, DA:I, and here it really comes down to whether or not you actually believe. It doesn't really seem likely to me that any fantasy writer would ever take an atheists viewpoint on the matter. Whether it be the gods of old, the new gods, Andraste, or even the maker himself. I know and love Sera, but Sera isn't what I call a hard atheist. Sera is "I don't give a shite about what's happening up there, I wanna know about what's happening down here." Morrigan is the closest to an atheist, pointing out the contradictions in everything but not what I'd call a hard atheist either. That leaves me to be the hard atheist, and with the illusion of choice that we're offered it really doesn't make a damn. /rant off /derail off Now on to ME. When I first "got" ME, not the first time I played it, I loved it. The third time I played, I was floored by how good the game was. It was either the third or the fourth time of playing the game that it made me forget the name of Star Wars. I thought that was impossible. That's how good this game is. It rivals Star Wars, not only in scope, but in terms of the universe that it built.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Nov 30, 2016 4:50:36 GMT
PPffffhfhphfphf. Dude, DA:I is not about whether YOU believe or not. It's an examination of where belief came from IRL via extensive fictional lore, with applicability to real life history and I guess present day as well.
DA2 largely focuses on how religion can lead to society and tranuquility (as opposed to tranquils) but also obsessive extremist thinking, and DA:I is about multiple things regarding faith. There's the simple-to-get surface story of how faith can (or can not) help people achieve big things by going with their beliefs (why I consider Cassandra the protagonist honestly) and then on an allegorical level it's about how the myth of Jesus came to be basically, or so I believe. Well, not allegory, but applicability once more (I won't offend you Toklien!)
I also think I know exactly where the grand story for DA-verse is going, or at least where it was going when David Gaider directed it. Eventually we're going to learn how the stories of Maker and Andraste were myths made from, essentially witness accounts of, the Elven Gods who were all people that used magic and there were also hints in DA:I and The Descent of what Lyrium is and where it came from and the connection to the fade. Eventually I imagine it would arrive at a sort of conclusion where it turns out everything is intertwined but seen by different viewpoints and made into myths that spread through hearesay and writing just as in real life and then it formed society by and large, where some used it for good while others abuse it for power. You can definitely see the connections between where faith and superstition come from in the whole "Herald of Andraste walked out of the fade" mystery DA:I depicts, as a parallel to what probably happened back in the day when the first stories of the Maker were formed.
I actually think that alone made DA:I worthwhile and it's my number one No-no when people on NeoGAF or elsewhere say that Gaider is a "shitty writer". He understands subtext, he just generally fails when it comes to depicting conflict in a grounded fashion like when Meredith and Orsino yell at each other or any "You mages are so evil! No you Templars are more evil! GRRR!" situation, but he does understand how to present a theme without telling the viewer what they should feel like a Nolan movie.
And I love Sera too. It's important when you have two polarizing viewpoints to have someone who does not fit into it, just like how Ashley was a controversial racist friend in ME1. You need to have those crew members that make you a little uncomfortable by straying from the streamlined theme. I also just like Sera because no part of her arc involves changing her because Player1 is fantastic. She has her ways and you can compliment her or hate her for it, but she stands firm and reacts to your opinions as she would as her own character. Solas also fits into that category... but certain squaddies fall into the "What would i have done if not for Player1!" cliches which I hate.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Nov 30, 2016 15:22:05 GMT
If there's just a good core plot somewhere in the narrative that doesn't try to account for every single place you can go, making it feel as vague as possible like DA:I it could be great. I don't want exploration to be justified so hard that the plot becomes wishy washy, so I hope they occasionally acknowledge the player has freedom outside of the narrative itself in the game than some tacked on "everything you do adds to the "plot"... somehow" notion. i feel like anytime they put information out, you're always quick to paint it bad. Yeah... Well, I'll stop doing that if something gets shown off soon that actually looks impressive and not just potentially good on paper. Impressive to you then? Because most people here are liking what they hear. Perhaps it's time for you to log out and just keep quiet.
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Post by Iakus on Nov 30, 2016 15:24:16 GMT
PPffffhfhphfphf. Dude, DA:I is not about whether YOU believe or not. It's an examination of where belief came from IRL via extensive fictional lore, with applicability to real life history and I guess present day as well. DA2 largely focuses on how religion can lead to society and tranuquility (as opposed to tranquils) but also obsessive extremist thinking, and DA:I is about multiple things regarding faith. There's the simple-to-get surface story of how faith can (or can not) help people achieve big things by going with their beliefs (why I consider Cassandra the protagonist honestly) and then on an allegorical level it's about how the myth of Jesus came to be basically, or so I believe. Well, not allegory, but applicability once more (I won't offend you Toklien!) I also think I know exactly where the grand story for DA-verse is going, or at least where it was going when David Gaider directed it. Eventually we're going to learn how the stories of Maker and Andraste were myths made from, essentially witness accounts of, the Elven Gods who were all people that used magic and there were also hints in DA:I and The Descent of what Lyrium is and where it came from and the connection to the fade. Eventually I imagine it would arrive at a sort of conclusion where it turns out everything is intertwined but seen by different viewpoints and made into myths that spread through hearesay and writing just as in real life and then it formed society by and large, where some used it for good while others abuse it for power. You can definitely see the connections between where faith and superstition come from in the whole "Herald of Andraste walked out of the fade" mystery DA:I depicts, as a parallel to what probably happened back in the day when the first stories of the Maker were formed. I actually think that alone made DA:I worthwhile and it's my number one No-no when people on NeoGAF or elsewhere say that Gaider is a "shitty writer". He understands subtext, he just generally fails when it comes to depicting conflict in a grounded fashion like when Meredith and Orsino yell at each other or any "You mages are so evil! No you Templars are more evil! GRRR!" situation, but he does understand how to present a theme without telling the viewer what they should feel like a Nolan movie. And I love Sera too. It's important when you have two polarizing viewpoints to have someone who does not fit into it, just like how Ashley was a controversial racist friend in ME1. You need to have those crew members that make you a little uncomfortable by straying from the streamlined theme. I also just like Sera because no part of her arc involves changing her because Player1 is fantastic. She has her ways and you can compliment her or hate her for it, but she stands firm and reacts to your opinions as she would as her own character. Solas also fits into that category... but certain squaddies fall into the "What would i have done if not for Player1!" cliches which I hate. The only part of this I disagree with is that I don't think the nature of the Maker was ever intended to be directly addressed. I think it would be up to the player to decide the "truth" of that matter. The ultimate examination of belief.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Nov 30, 2016 15:26:17 GMT
Because ME3 was extremely flawed. I mean, it was to the point where a lot of people felt (and still feel) cheated. And Bioware basically just lectured the audience on what they should appreciate about it, because we clearly didn't "get it". So, yeah, they're going to be reluctant to put their trust in what comes next. The story, the mechanics, multiplayer integration. They're going to see the cr*p Bioware has pulled in the past in what's coming in the future. The big question Bioware needs to answer (and hasn't yet) for a lot of people is: Why should we trust you again? If we say that if you're still so fucking bitter about ME3 that there's no reason you should ever trust Bioware or buy their games again, will you leave? Because I'm willing to do that if it'll take some of this negative bullshit out of here. He meant "Why should I trust you again?". Bioware doesn't care about the endings anymore. They're shipping a new game, not living in 12. MEA will be a critical success as usual, will sell millions. There will be a sequel, and Iakus will buy every ME game and fours years from now he will still moan about endings and how they ruined his life and etc, the usual.
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Post by Iakus on Nov 30, 2016 15:43:26 GMT
If we say that if you're still so fucking bitter about ME3 that there's no reason you should ever trust Bioware or buy their games again, will you leave? Because I'm willing to do that if it'll take some of this negative bullshit out of here. He meant "Why should I trust you again?". Bioware doesn't care about the endings anymore. They're shipping a new game, not living in 12. MEA will be a critical success as usual, will sell millions. There will be a sequel, and Iakus will buy every ME game and fours years from now he will still moan about endings and how they ruined his life and etc, the usual. Hey, while you're predicting the future, can I have next week's lottery numbers?
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Nov 30, 2016 16:15:39 GMT
He meant "Why should I trust you again?". Bioware doesn't care about the endings anymore. They're shipping a new game, not living in 12. MEA will be a critical success as usual, will sell millions. There will be a sequel, and Iakus will buy every ME game and fours years from now he will still moan about endings and how they ruined his life and etc, the usual. Hey, while you're predicting the future, can I have next week's lottery numbers? LoNo, I predict the future dealing with facts and evidence, not guessing a bunch of numbers. Try guessing which Edition you will get for Andromeda. Probably the most colored one.
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Post by Iakus on Nov 30, 2016 16:37:12 GMT
Hey, while you're predicting the future, can I have next week's lottery numbers? LoNo, I predict the future dealing with facts and evidence, not guessing a bunch of numbers. Try guessing which Edition you will get for Andromeda. Probably the most colored one. Well, here's a fact for ya: I already pre-ordered a game due out in 1Q 2017. But it's not set in Andromeda. It's set on Earth, a billion years in the future. I predict that it will take me a good long time to finish it too, based on the Early Access I've been playing around with. If I do get Andromeda, it will be after I have thoroughly spoiled myself regarding the game. Just as I did with DAI. Because, as noted, they lost my trust.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 30, 2016 16:44:08 GMT
Hey, while you're predicting the future, can I have next week's lottery numbers? Not me. I like to know which teams will be in the National Championship game and which teams will be in the Superbowl
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Nov 30, 2016 17:36:41 GMT
The only part of this I disagree with is that I don't think the nature of the Maker was ever intended to be directly addressed. I think it would be up to the player to decide the "truth" of that matter. The ultimate examination of belief. Yeah, I think they would leave it ambiguous but I do think DA4 and 5 under Gaider's direction would ideally have gotten really close to the "big bang" of what created the Dragon Age universe as we know it, because that's sort of the direction the series has gone through with DA2 and DA:I with how much they're casting light over the Eluvians and Elven mythos now and the Trespasser ending revealed some pretty revelatory stuff about the world.
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Post by DragonRacer on Nov 30, 2016 17:45:25 GMT
I actually rather liked Inquisition, so this kinda tickles my metaphorical balls.
Hopefully, though, more meaningful sidequests and less of the pure fetch stuff. Some of it was okay, but a LOT of it felt a bit like that.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2016 17:51:17 GMT
Now on to ME. When I first "got" ME, not the first time I played it, I loved it. The third time I played, I was floored by how good the game was. It was either the third or the fourth time of playing the game that it made me forget the name of Star Wars. I thought that was impossible. That's how good this game is. It rivals Star Wars, not only in scope, but in terms of the universe that it built. I share the sentiment emphatically. Actually, when I was going back into gaming, I've initially picked SWTOR, because of the verse. But when I finally got out of it for enough hours to try the ME franchise, I've liked the setting much more. Also, I am afraid to say it, but when a setting becomes really popular I seem to start losing interest in it. While SW was a quirky blast from the past, and Old republic virtually an unknown quantity, I really enjoyed it. With the barrage of products in the setting, I am shying away from it as much as I absolutely love those ridiculous, impossible, misnamed sabers.
And, to avoid derailment, I am going to go and try to start a thread on settings in the Other section, and see if anyone is digging settings-talk. I feel so lonely in my interests, heh.
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Post by goishen on Nov 30, 2016 18:10:04 GMT
No, I predict the future dealing with facts and evidence, not guessing a bunch of numbers. Try guessing which Edition you will get for Andromeda. Probably the most colored one. Well, here's a fact for ya: I already pre-ordered a game due out in 1Q 2017. But it's not set in Andromeda. It's set on Earth, a billion years in the future. I predict that it will take me a good long time to finish it too, based on the Early Access I've been playing around with. If I do get Andromeda, it will be after I have thoroughly spoiled myself regarding the game. Just as I did with DAI. Because, as noted, they lost my trust. Xenu : The Scientologist Who Loved Him? Sorry, I'm really down on Scientology as a religion (*cough*cult*cough*). Your comment about the billion years struck a chord with me though.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Dec 1, 2016 7:03:45 GMT
I've regarded Andromeda with a healthy amount of skepticism considering the marketing of ME3 versus what was actually delivered. I was heartened by Flynn's talk of going back to ME1 and trying to bring out more of what they were going for when they started establishing the game universe. Perhaps it will be a return to more world-building and adherence to lore rather than nonsensical "rule of cool" wow moments that totally ignore the positives of an immersive setting. Plus he mentioned bringing in developers who were fans of the older ME games and learning from them a new perspective.
So maybe, just maybe, there's less chance of Walter's "lore be damned" story telling tendencies.
Only time will tell.
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Post by Ivory Samoan on Dec 1, 2016 7:13:07 GMT
No, I predict the future dealing with facts and evidence, not guessing a bunch of numbers. Try guessing which Edition you will get for Andromeda. Probably the most colored one. Well, here's a fact for ya: I already pre-ordered a game due out in 1Q 2017. But it's not set in Andromeda. It's set on Earth, a billion years in the future. I predict that it will take me a good long time to finish it too, based on the Early Access I've been playing around with. If I do get Andromeda, it will be after I have thoroughly spoiled myself regarding the game. Just as I did with DAI. Because, as noted, they lost my trust. 1. I also have Torment booked and locked in for some seriously delicious adventuring next year...can't wait! 2. I'm curious, why would you want to spoil the game if you ever think you may play it: isn't that a bit self flagellating? What if the story/twist is amazing and you miss out on them Sixth Sense reveal feels....you don't want that surely.
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 1, 2016 9:04:42 GMT
Well, here's a fact for ya: I already pre-ordered a game due out in 1Q 2017. But it's not set in Andromeda. It's set on Earth, a billion years in the future. I predict that it will take me a good long time to finish it too, based on the Early Access I've been playing around with. If I do get Andromeda, it will be after I have thoroughly spoiled myself regarding the game. Just as I did with DAI. Because, as noted, they lost my trust. 1. I also have Torment booked and locked in for some seriously delicious adventuring next year...can't wait! 2. I'm curious, why would you want to spoil the game if you ever think you may play it: isn't that a bit self flagellating? What if the story/twist is amazing and you miss out on them Sixth Sense reveal feels....you don't want that surely. I think because he doesn't want to buy a Bioware game without knowing something like ME3 would happen again. While there's the negative side of being spoiled, he avoids the negative part of feeling how he felt during ME3, while playing, with all the emotional investment you might have while playing. Also, as a general rule, people don't all feel the same in regards of spoilers. For some, knowing how a story or plot goes doesn't make it less enjoyable.
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Post by pdusen on Dec 1, 2016 13:32:57 GMT
If I do get Andromeda, it will be after I have thoroughly spoiled myself regarding the game. Just as I did with DAI. Because, as noted, they lost my trust. I'm guessing that you're the guy who facebook-stalks your ex-girlfriend who dumped you and always comments on her posts telling her what a terrible person she is. Seriously, go read a book.
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Post by Pounce de León on Dec 1, 2016 13:35:00 GMT
By the time he started talking about new IP I stopped listening. Did he tell anything concrete?
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Post by Addictress on Dec 1, 2016 15:17:31 GMT
I honestly don't see Inquisition get bashed enough. I feel like I see scatterings of occasional bashing which I'm drawn to like a beacon because they're not the majority.
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Post by Addictress on Dec 1, 2016 15:20:28 GMT
I'm still hoping the new IP is a contemporary setting with magic, basically I want Shadowrun since Harebrained Schemes is doing their whatever giant robot thing and I need my fix. Your avatar! Hehe
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Post by AnDromedary on Dec 1, 2016 15:57:53 GMT
Watched it. The GI guy really tried his best (I liked how he tried to push the budget question) but still, all he got was heaps and heaps of PR speech and bladibla.
I honestly didn't get one single piece of info out of this.
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