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Post by Kantr on Dec 3, 2016 14:07:54 GMT
Or Batman's Detective sense in the Arkham games. I'm fine with the scanning. It's the crafting and the reason behind it that doesnt make sense. Resources won't be scarce in a galaxy of a trillion stars, just compatible technology. I don't want to spend my time collecting space elfroot. You know what? I'm betting (and by betting I am fully prepared to be proven wrong however you're only hurting yourself by being dishonest)that the same people who are complaining about crafting in this game crafted to their hearts content in The Witcher 3? Am I right? be honest? If this is indeed the case why is it acceptable in fantasy games but not sci-fi? I dont understand it. How do you know resources won't be scarce? Have you ever been to Andromeda? How on Earth am I being dishonest??? No I don't really enjoy crafting at all, I'm terrible at it and I don't feel it's acceptable in games where it doesn't make sense. However if it's a case of scanning for resources and then letting someone else pick them up rather than DA:I did it, then that's fine. As for fantasy, it really depends if you're on your own for a long period of time then yeah you'll need to gather resources for yourself. If there's cities then not so much. As for scracity. It's a galaxy with a trillion stars, the only scarce resource is going to be hydrogen to form new stars. If there are planets there are metals. |
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Post by warbaby2 on Dec 3, 2016 14:18:59 GMT
I wont go into too much of a rent here, because I'm kinda over it with AAA RPGs these days, so I'll just say: Yes, I pretty much agree, but that's what open world RPGs do these days, and I didn't really expect EA/BioWare to do anything new this time. The scanning (in one form or the other) and crafting are staples of mainstream game design these days.
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Post by linksocarina on Dec 3, 2016 14:19:50 GMT
This is so hilarious. "There is no mystery, no brainwork behind these 'puzzles' you just point and click"... I mean, what do you want exactly? Do you want to solve advanced mathematic problems each time you open a door? Remember solving the crime on Dantooine in the original KotOR? I want to see more stuff like that. It wasn't terribly hard, but it was still engaging, and satisfying if you got it on your first try. We might get a bit of that, but it seems like they are going the Arkham Asylum Route for Puzzle Solving and relying on the scanner to provide visual clues for the player. I am ok with that, so long as we get variety. I wouldn't mind a "kings wise man" style puzzle again, a sort of inductive reasoning puzzle to work through. As for the crafting...honestly what did you guys expect? The reason for the scarcity I bet is due to the lack of resources and economy that the Milky Way Races have. Trading with locals...or fighting each other for scraps...always good conflict in there to follow. The impression is a group broke away from the Andromeda Initiative...my guess is were heading into wild west territory where it's every man for themselves. |
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Post by warbaby2 on Dec 3, 2016 14:42:21 GMT
Remember solving the crime on Dantooine in the original KotOR? I want to see more stuff like that. It wasn't terribly hard, but it was still engaging, and satisfying if you got it on your first try. We might get a bit of that, but it seems like they are going the Arkham Asylum Route for Puzzle Solving and relying on the scanner to provide visual clues for the player. I am ok with that, so long as we get variety. I wouldn't mind a "kings wise man" style puzzle again, a sort of inductive reasoning puzzle to work through. As for the crafting...honestly what did you guys expect? The reason for the scarcity I bet is due to the lack of resources and economy that the Milky Way Races have. Trading with locals...or fighting each other for scraps...always good conflict in there to follow. The impression is a group broke away from the Andromeda Initiative...my guess is were heading into wild west territory where it's every man for themselves. ...and if they manage to at least transport that well in gameplay, I'll be a happy camper. |
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Post by amleth on Dec 3, 2016 15:25:42 GMT
Yes but the question here regards the challenges between getting into the position to press that button.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2016 15:56:13 GMT
You know what? I'm betting (and by betting I am fully prepared to be proven wrong however you're only hurting yourself by being dishonest)that the same people who are complaining about crafting in this game crafted to their hearts content in The Witcher 3? Am I right? be honest? If this is indeed the case why is it acceptable in fantasy games but not sci-fi? I dont understand it. How do you know resources won't be scarce? Have you ever been to Andromeda? How on Earth am I being dishonest??? No I don't really enjoy crafting at all, I'm terrible at it and I don't feel it's acceptable in games where it doesn't make sense. However if it's a case of scanning for resources and then letting someone else pick them up rather than DA:I did it, then that's fine. As for fantasy, it really depends if you're on your own for a long period of time then yeah you'll need to gather resources for yourself. If there's cities then not so much. As for scracity. It's a galaxy with a trillion stars, the only scarce resource is going to be hydrogen to form new stars. If there are planets there are metals. *sigh*.....So, back to my original question. Why, if you are no good at something and dont like doing it, are you bothered that it's there since its optional? It doesnt affect you. |
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Post by Bioware-Critic on Dec 3, 2016 16:38:23 GMT
There really isn't a need to be so rude. We are simply voicing concerns about certain systems and discussing how they can be implemented in a way which is fun. I believe that is called constructive criticism. You literaly know 4min52sec of gameplay which was heavily edited(confirmed on twitter) before being shown yesterday, either because of spoilers or any other reasons. How is jumping the gun in criticize the game for being "to similar to DAI" constructive? Yeah, well ... in my book that is called: "... discussing things you deeply care about with an honest voice ..." Of course nobody "knows" anything for a fact. The stuff is in development and not even the developers know for sure what will be cut out or changed. But voicing your opinion because you care is something that is your damn right! And you cannot just go and tell people what they cannot say ...  ...  I mean, wouldn't you think that people maybe know it themselves, that this is short? Nevertheless, 4:52 min. of gameplay that shows a heck of a lot of details for the hud, gameplay, ... By the way, I have many concerns about ME:A. "There are a lot of good things that can be done wrong ... Tastes are so very particular and different ..." |
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Post by Sanunes on Dec 3, 2016 16:38:23 GMT
Whenever I see a thread like this it comes across as a "make the game I want and ignore everyone else". I have issues with a lot of games out there, but I understand different mechanics are what people want. People were upset at the lack of crafting in Mass Effect 1 and 3, I didn't see the need, but according to the Internet it is a mandatory requirement of what makes a RPG just like Inventory and Exploration.
Now I can only imagine the threads if BioWare left the credit based system of Mass Effect 3 to acquire armor and weapons in the game with "How can Andromeda gear work on a Human we are just arriving" or "how do we have so much of their currency" and if we found gear on planets it would be "how does their armor fit us". No matter what BioWare does or does not do someone will be taking an issue with it.
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Post by warbaby2 on Dec 3, 2016 16:39:10 GMT
How on Earth am I being dishonest??? No I don't really enjoy crafting at all, I'm terrible at it and I don't feel it's acceptable in games where it doesn't make sense. However if it's a case of scanning for resources and then letting someone else pick them up rather than DA:I did it, then that's fine. As for fantasy, it really depends if you're on your own for a long period of time then yeah you'll need to gather resources for yourself. If there's cities then not so much. As for scracity. It's a galaxy with a trillion stars, the only scarce resource is going to be hydrogen to form new stars. If there are planets there are metals. *sigh*.....So, back to my original question. Why, if you are no good at something and dont like doing it, are you bothered that it's there since its optional? It doesnt affect you. Hm, fomo? |
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Post by Sartoz on Dec 3, 2016 17:01:07 GMT
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Rest assured that "go collect 3 Elf Roots" is NOT in the game. That is one of the lessons Bio took to heart. otherwise, we would hear that submarine ping. You use the scanner to examine flora / fauna. when you need resources, when you want to find blueprints and doing detective work. AND, if you are looking for "mysteries", Bio mentioned there are puzzles to solve.
Crafting is tedious and a time filler in DA:I. Again, Bio mentioned they learned form DA:I's mistakes. Gear upgrades were smooth in ME3. Why would it be slower in ME:A?
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Post by SofNascimento on Dec 3, 2016 17:06:42 GMT
The gunplay looked quite bad. I then understood why they waited so long to show it.
Hopefully it's just a bad impression.
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Post by warbaby2 on Dec 3, 2016 17:22:27 GMT
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Rest assured that "go collect 3 Elf Roots" is NOT in the game. That is one of the lessons Bio took to heart. otherwise, we would hear that submarine ping. You use the scanner to examine flora / fauna. when you need resources, when you want to find blueprints and doing detective work. AND, if you are looking for "mysteries", Bio mentioned there are puzzles to solve. Crafting is tedious and a time filler in DA:I. Again, Bio mentioned they learned form DA:I's mistakes. Gear upgrades were smooth in ME3. Why would it be slower in ME:A? Well, there still was a "units" counter next to that element, so collecting resources seams to still be a thing... but I doubt we'll have to actually "pick it all up" in person. |
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Post by Sanunes on Dec 3, 2016 17:35:36 GMT
*´¨) ¸.•´¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨) (¸.•´ (¸.•` ¤ Mass Effect Andromeda
Rest assured that "go collect 3 Elf Roots" is NOT in the game. That is one of the lessons Bio took to heart. otherwise, we would hear that submarine ping. You use the scanner to examine flora / fauna. when you need resources, when you want to find blueprints and doing detective work. AND, if you are looking for "mysteries", Bio mentioned there are puzzles to solve. Crafting is tedious and a time filler in DA:I. Again, Bio mentioned they learned form DA:I's mistakes. Gear upgrades were smooth in ME3. Why would it be slower in ME:A? Well, there still was a "units" counter next to that element, so collecting resources seams to still be a thing... but I doubt we'll have to actually "pick it all up" in person. For me at least I am not going to judge the system yet for I don't know anything about the crafting aside from that one little bit of a short video. I didn't like the crafting in Inquisition only because so much of what I gathered was unless due to different crafting items being for different levels and the Fade-Touched upgrades. If it is more like Mass Effect 2 where you have only a few collectible crafting materials that are used I think I will be okay with it, what would make it even better is if the crafted items carried over with NG+ unlike Inquisition so you have to collect items once since the skill system has changed too and no longer requires a clean start to try another class. |
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Post by Bioware-Critic on Dec 3, 2016 18:27:47 GMT
And BioWare go: 'what, a game that shares mechanics with GOTY winning DAI is a problem?' ;-) Eight power limit Poor KB&M support Insanely long load times Hilariously fast respawn of enemies Pretty but pointless areas to explore Overly strong reliance on trinity play Yeah, Id hope they'd want to tweak that a bit rather than rest on their laurels 
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Post by Sartoz on Dec 3, 2016 18:42:54 GMT
The gunplay looked quite bad. I then understood why they waited so long to show it. Hopefully it's just a bad impression. *´¨) ¸.•´¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨) (¸.•´ (¸.•` ¤ Mass Effect Andromeda
Remember that this is a cinematic video of gameplay recordings from various combat levels and squad mates. They were heavily edited and stitched together to show off weapons, armour, enemies, biotics, etc.... . You can look at it as a visual info dump. That's why the combat is chaotic. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2016 19:00:54 GMT
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Remember that this is a cinematic video of gameplay recordings from various combat levels and squad mates. They were heavily edited and stitched together to show off weapons, armour, enemies, biotics, etc.... . You can look at it as a visual info dump. That's why the combat is chaotic. I agree. I also noted the VO's comment at Time Code: 1:50 - "for the sake of time we're going to speed up our adventure". The combat game play was so fast that I presume I'll be dying a thousand deaths. Hopefully were were viewing hardcore combat at a faster video speed. |
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Post by Silcron on Dec 3, 2016 21:20:42 GMT
The gunplay looked quite bad. I then understood why they waited so long to show it. Hopefully it's just a bad impression. I've been replaying ME3 a bit and I have to agree. I don't use the revenant much if at all but when I saw it in the trailer it took me a while to notice it was the revenant. It didn't feel like the beast that spews lots of hard hitting bullets but is inaccurate as hell, in all honesty I remember looking at the enemy trying to figure out what it was because I didn't see any feedback of the enemy being hit, not even flashes of the bullets hitting it. The higher mobility is something I like. As someone that plays Destiny a lot I'm used to moving around like that but I'm a bit worried about the gunplay itself as you said. Hopefully they can improve that and at least get it to ME3 level, that was good. |
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Post by Sartoz on Dec 3, 2016 22:36:00 GMT
The gunplay looked quite bad. I then understood why they waited so long to show it. Hopefully it's just a bad impression. I've been replaying ME3 a bit and I have to agree. I don't use the revenant much if at all but when I saw it in the trailer it took me a while to notice it was the revenant. It didn't feel like the beast that spews lots of hard hitting bullets but is inaccurate as hell, in all honesty I remember looking at the enemy trying to figure out what it was because I didn't see any feedback of the enemy being hit, not even flashes of the bullets hitting it. The higher mobility is something I like. As someone that plays Destiny a lot I'm used to moving around like that but I'm a bit worried about the gunplay itself as you said. Hopefully they can improve that and at least get it to ME3 level, that was good. *´¨) ¸.•´¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨) (¸.•´ (¸.•` ¤ Mass Effect Andromeda
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Post by SofNascimento on Dec 4, 2016 0:03:30 GMT
The gunplay looked quite bad. I then understood why they waited so long to show it. Hopefully it's just a bad impression. *´¨) ¸.•´¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨) (¸.•´ (¸.•` ¤ Mass Effect Andromeda
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Post by Warrick on Dec 4, 2016 1:10:31 GMT
I'm not worried, but I'm not intrigued or even interested either I'm sorry to say. It looks like same old same old, bringing nothing new to the table.
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Post by warbaby2 on Dec 4, 2016 1:12:56 GMT
I'm not worried, but I'm not intrigued or even interested either I'm sorry to say. It looks like same old same old, bringing nothing new to the table. Well... there is a jet pack now!  |
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Post by Kantr on Dec 4, 2016 13:27:55 GMT
*sigh*.....So, back to my original question. Why, if you are no good at something and dont like doing it, are you bothered that it's there since its optional? It doesnt affect you. Well as long as it's not a major part of the game, I don't mind. It just seems unnecessary and the resources used to develop it could have been better spent elsewhere. |
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Post by Sanunes on Dec 4, 2016 13:49:47 GMT
*sigh*.....So, back to my original question. Why, if you are no good at something and dont like doing it, are you bothered that it's there since its optional? It doesnt affect you. Well as long as it's not a major part of the game, I don't mind. It just seems unnecessary and the resources used to develop it could have been better spent elsewhere. The problem I have with that statement is I could probably say the same thing about an aspect of the game you like. There are people out there that want some type of crafting system in the game and just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is a waste of resources. |
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Post by Silcron on Dec 4, 2016 14:45:48 GMT
I've been replaying ME3 a bit and I have to agree. I don't use the revenant much if at all but when I saw it in the trailer it took me a while to notice it was the revenant. It didn't feel like the beast that spews lots of hard hitting bullets but is inaccurate as hell, in all honesty I remember looking at the enemy trying to figure out what it was because I didn't see any feedback of the enemy being hit, not even flashes of the bullets hitting it. The higher mobility is something I like. As someone that plays Destiny a lot I'm used to moving around like that but I'm a bit worried about the gunplay itself as you said. Hopefully they can improve that and at least get it to ME3 level, that was good. *´¨) ¸.•´¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨) (¸.•´ (¸.•` ¤ Mass Effect Andromeda
Can you provide a video time stamp? I'd like to look at it in slow mo. Thanks Sure, at 3:42 the fight hasn't started yet but the revenant's firing from around 3:44. I can see muzzle flash animations and hitmarkers but that's about it. Aside from the healthbar going down I don't see any kind of feedback on the enemy that a weapon is being fired at him. I don't expect him to stagger, but still. Edit: sentences need verbs, omiting verbs tends to be a bad idea. |
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Post by crossngen on Dec 4, 2016 15:27:24 GMT
You know what was bothering me with collecting in DAI compared to TW3 and FO4? the fucking animation, THAT was the time waster, THAT was what made me stop gathering and later on crafting, it was those damn animations, they didn't look bad, but when I had 5 corpses to loot, or 3-4 nodes to collect, I felt like I was about to indulge in a tedious mission of first looting the object, waiting for the animation to finish, look at what's inside the object, and if there was nothing there I wanted it felt like I just wasted my time, and now I have to potentially do the same for 4 other objects one after the other.
The Witcher 3 and Fallout 4 allowed me to just press E, see what's inside, and either loot or exit the window in a matter of a second or two, no padding, no nonsense. it was even easier in FO4 since you can just look at a corpse and loot from there without opening any extra menus.
Thankfully, from the few seconds of mineral collecting we've seen in the trailer, there doesn't seem to be any looting animations, a window just pops up, telling us how much we're picking up, and that's it.
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I mean, wouldn't you think that people maybe know it themselves, that this is short? Nevertheless, 4:52 min. of gameplay that shows a heck of a lot of details for the hud, gameplay, ...
