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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jan 8, 2017 12:46:34 GMT
[[[“Population genetics theory, calculations and computer modeling determine that a properly screened and age- and sex-structured total founding population (Nc) of anywhere from roughly 14,000 to 44,000 people would be sufficient to survive such journeys in good health,” Dr. Smith wrote. “A safe and well-considered Nc figure is 40,000, an Interstellar Migrant Population (IMP) composed of an Effective Population [Ne] of 23,400 reproductive males and females, the rest being pre- or post-reproductive individuals.]]] projectnovaeuropa.com/how-many-people-are-required-to-create-a-genetically-stable-colony/So maybe there are more than 20k aboard the arks. Just the 20K that are in charge of continuing the species There doesn't need to be more than 20k on the Arks since there could be 5-10k on the Nexus itself. Plus, if they brought over egg and sperm samples, they could increase the population and genetic diversity even further. Granted, convincing people to become inseminated with random people's DNA who're billions of miles away and 600 years in the past might be hard, but I'm sure some would bite. If the numbers that were for it were not high enough that would be a fail of the expenditure. Something that would be unacceptable for the Andromeda Initiative -it MUST succeed no room for failure. Going over quota like in that link briefing -just seems more efficient and that is an absolute necessity when dealing with the magnitudes of a project like this that simply does NOT have the luxury of failing. |
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Post by Warrick on Jan 8, 2017 15:11:47 GMT
Yes they would need to breed like rabbits and women would not at all be placed in combat roles due to risk of death in the battlefield. But this is bioware and female representation is 50/50 for combat roles even though it shouldn't for this scenario since they should be breeders. Yep. They don't want to go back to the days when women were treated like property and kept at home to spit out kids. Even though there was a practical reason. In the 22nd century, at least they could have safer jobs aboard the Nexus. I definitely understand the reasoning by letting women be combatants in a video game. I wouldn't want to be forced to play a male only even though I plan to play both. Maybe they've got some women who are set aside as surrogates? That would be to "Handmaiden's Tale" but possible. Please, every scifi story has artificial incubators to spit out children. CJ Cherryh's Cyteen for example deals with this exact problem. Keep in mind limiting 50% of the greatest minds to breeding is also a huge waste of talent that a colony in its first stages cannot afford. The Marie Curies, Margaret Hamiltons, and Vera Rubins of the group are far too valuable as researchers, programmers, overseers, etc. to be assigned that role. |
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Post by Iakus on Jan 8, 2017 16:13:50 GMT
Anybody else think this is too low? Besides the travellers in the nexus the total number of colonists is at 80,000 which is too small imo to colonize dozens of worlds and presumably be at war with a giant force like the Khet. It doesn't seem feasible. Thoughts? From a biological perspective it is entirely feasible. From a war perspective, you're absolutely right, which is why they should avoid a war narrative. Yup. Genetic diversity is only one aspect. You also have to account for the work it takes to, you know RAISE the next generation. Feed them. Clothe them. Teach them how to become productive members of the new society. They're not going to just magically spring from the med bay fully grown and ready to be assigned a job. IF everything goes perfectly, sure 20,000 is plenty to get a new colony started. So if you take the standard dangers of colonizing a strange new world who's information is a couple million years out of date, conflict with a space-faring race who's fleet is MUCH MUCH closer than your own, and trying to raise a new generation of colonists and keep them live long enough to eventually inherit the colony, this plan is looking so half-baked I wonder if the oven is even on... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2017 19:24:53 GMT
Plus, if they brought over egg and sperm samples, they could increase the population and genetic diversity even further. Granted, convincing people to become inseminated with random people's DNA who're billions of miles away and 600 years in the past might be hard, but I'm sure some would bite. I always figured they could easily take plenty of frozen embryos to ensure optimal diversity. Also, I'm not entirely sure women are needed to carry them. There may be technological surrogates available. Miranda, Oriana, and cloneShep were all created in labs. The offspring will need to be cared for and raised, however. Whether that will be done in traditional family units or take some other form remains to be seen. |
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 8, 2017 20:09:23 GMT
IF everything goes perfectly, sure 20,000 is plenty to get a new colony started. So if you take the standard dangers of colonizing a strange new world who's information is a couple million years out of date, conflict with a space-faring race who's fleet is MUCH MUCH closer than your own, and trying to raise a new generation of colonists and keep them live long enough to eventually inherit the colony, this plan is looking so half-baked I wonder if the oven is even on... Robo-nannies can raise these random kids. Keep in mind that a device exists right now that reads bedtime stories to your kids. Fast forward a hundred years (never mind the 600, but no tech progress will have occurred in that time for them) and there's no doubt robots are raising kids, even if they're strictly VI. SAM could oversee it. |
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Post by Xerxes52 on Jan 8, 2017 20:28:15 GMT
IF everything goes perfectly, sure 20,000 is plenty to get a new colony started. So if you take the standard dangers of colonizing a strange new world who's information is a couple million years out of date, conflict with a space-faring race who's fleet is MUCH MUCH closer than your own, and trying to raise a new generation of colonists and keep them live long enough to eventually inherit the colony, this plan is looking so half-baked I wonder if the oven is even on... Robo-nannies can raise these random kids. Keep in mind that a device exists right now that reads bedtime stories to your kids. Fast forward a hundred years (never mind the 600, but no tech progress will have occurred in that time for them) and there's no doubt robots are raising kids, even if they're strictly VI. SAM could oversee it. You could also tank-breed humans, asari, turians, salarians, etc. Grow them from fertilization to adulthood within x amount of time, and program them to know everything they need to be functional members of society. Also you wouldn't need frozen egg and sperm samples, if you're trying to save space. The genetic data could be carried in a computer's digital storage and the zygotes would just be constructed directly through molecular nanotech in the tank. |
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Post by keiji on Jan 12, 2017 16:50:35 GMT
Hello everyone, I'm french so excuse my english.
Actually 20,000 humans seem pretty accurate and good in my book. A lot of what I will write was already said :
1) It's easy for them to create new babies so the number is not a problem. They can do 80,000 more humans if they want.
2) It's cost a lot and use a lot tech to take care of the 20,000 humans and keep them alive for so long, so more humans into the Ark would be problem.
3) 20,000 is perfect for begin a colonisation with DNA diversity before to create humans if needed later.
4) They must find 20,000 volunteers who fit this incredible mission and are ready for it.
As for Sloanne Kelly, the warlord, we will probably have more info into the books or/and the game but she could have fit as a chief officer but you can't anticipate that she could be problem later.
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Post by DoomsdayDevice on Jan 12, 2017 17:30:14 GMT
The Arks are not logical, they are just there so we can have a new Mass Effect game. I would give this 20,000 likes if I could. A truer truth has never been spoken. |
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