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Post by Mir Aven on Aug 17, 2016 2:36:01 GMT
Quarian and Asari. I'll get back to you on the third one, I'm not sure yet.
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Post by Grim on Aug 17, 2016 8:37:38 GMT
Drell, Geth, & Turian
Although I love the characters Thane, Legion, & Garrus. It's just that , those characters, not their race (I know you can always argue that their race makes them who they are (Garrus is tough because he's Turian, Legion is the way he is because he's synthetic, & Thane wouldn't be the same character if he wasn't dying from a disease only Drell can have)).
Drell - From a strategic stand point they are not that good of a choice anyway considering they can't handle humid environments. Their design was always just alright to me & I could live without them.
Geth - People have already said this but they're just robots, you can build more.
Turian - The hardest one for me, I could live without them however because they are mainly soldier material. Basically a cooler, better version of humans.(I would have gotten rid of Humans if possible as my third choice (except for Ryder of course)).
Why I couldn't get rid of the other ones
Asari - Just to point out if that dude Asari from the trailer is the main design get rid of them & retract my Turian choice. I can't see a Mass Effect game without them, not a big fan of them, I just see them as a major species in the universe.
Quarian - I'm influenced by Tali & their suits have the coolest designs to me (I also want to see a male Quarian squadmate).
Krogan - I couldn't get rid of the tanks of destruction (zipzap2000 influenced my decision).
Salarian - They have the friendliest smiles & you can't deny it.
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Post by Vortex13 on Aug 17, 2016 14:59:52 GMT
I would definitely pick Krogan, Asari, and Drell.
Krogan and Asari, because I feel that enough narrative exposition about them has been given, and that we should let the other species have a chance at the limelight.
The Drell, only because I feel that they would be a little shallow without the other major influence in their culture, namely the Hanar. And the serious take on the Hanar too, none of this Blasto crap that seems to have become their poster child.
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Post by GruntKitterhand on Aug 17, 2016 16:07:02 GMT
I didn't vote, partly as it's an incomplete list and partly as I don't want to contribute to the kind of data which can end up being used as justification for paid for dlc. But ignoring all that, and my morals, the Geth would already have been decommissioned (who in their right minds wants feckin Primes in Andromeda?!? Et tu, Xen?!) so I only have to pick two. The Asari are the most deserving of sanction after their Milky Way secret-hoarding-self-betterment to the detriment of the other species, both individually and collectively. Pride comes before a fall and all that. They're obviously not without their charms, but as an old school Trekkie I've always preferred my space babes to be green. Of the others, trying to be as objective as possible, I'd say the Drell have the weakest case for inclusion overall. They are somewhere alongside the Quarians in terms of perceived weakness biologically, but the Quarians have proved themselves to be the true masters of travel and self-sustenance. As such they deserve to be first on the list to stay in the upcoming game, even if Xen is off my poetry list. The Turians are next as they eat the same shit and together provide flexibility and reach, in many ways. And it should go without saying that we need the Krogans there because it'll take more than a couple of knowledgeable Quarian Female Engineers and Human Cryo Soldiers to show the other massed pyjaks how to make the most of the High Lord Claymore.
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Post by Ahriman on Aug 17, 2016 16:27:07 GMT
I'm a little surprised by amount of "asari hid the Beacon and deserve to be dropped" comments. Do they forget that there was one little race which became biggest Reaper collaborationists during Reaper War? Attempted a coup, tried to sabotage Crucible construction, were turning civilians into husks. And no, I'm not talking about geth.
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Post by Monk on Aug 17, 2016 18:09:36 GMT
I'm a little surprised by amount of "asari hid the Beacon and deserve to be dropped" comments. Do they forget that there was one little race which became biggest Reaper collaborationists during Reaper War? Attempted a coup, tried to sabotage Crucible construction, were turning civilians into husks. And no, I'm not talking about geth. Besides indoctrination being a large part of that, Cerberus are considered extremists, being all pro-human, whatever the costs. The Asari though, the way i see, were doing it out of self-preservation. It was a little bastardly but it's not like the other races would willing give up any advantages they have.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2016 19:16:39 GMT
But ignoring all that, and my morals, the Geth would already have been decommissioned (who in their right minds wants feckin Primes in Andromeda?!? Et tu, Xen?!) so I only have to pick two. It's not because I like the geth, it's because a quarian who doesn't have an obedient toaster servant, or at least isn't currently trying to leash/oppress/scrap a traitorous one isn't a true quarian. We're a bit of a package deal. That said, you've jogged my memory, and I've reconsidered a bit given that I don't think an ME multiplayer without Krogan laughter or Claymoar BOOM followed by MUAHAHA HEADSHOT is much worth playing 8). May have been basing judgement a bit too much on lolSP mode. Sorry trenchcoat frogs, but there's only like one of you and you're kinda dumb for not wearing an envirosuit instead of getting space cancer, anyway. Oh, and Recon Mine is fuckin' annoying.
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Post by vilio1 on Aug 17, 2016 21:58:35 GMT
I'd remove drell, quarians and geth as well.
The drell are no core race, imo. They never had more than a "background"-role in the series, they are out.
Geth: I like them, but I can't see a way they could be included sensibly. If the colonists leave before Rannoch, it would be hard to explain why we have geth onboard since they were hostile and later even under reaper control. If we leave after the Rannoch arc, then they could be virtually extinct.
Quarians, their story has been told as well. I also see no use for them at all. Assuming all the travelers on the ark are in stasis pods like Ryder (which could be possible) their knowledge about life on ships would be more or less useless and they don't bring anything else on the table. Why would the council races invite them?
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Post by Mir Aven on Aug 17, 2016 22:37:58 GMT
Yes, because there are no females in other species. All those female humans are just guys that like to play pretend.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Aug 19, 2016 15:47:02 GMT
But ignoring all that, and my morals, the Geth would already have been decommissioned (who in their right minds wants feckin Primes in Andromeda?!? Anyone who realizes we're going into a new and completely unknown galaxy with extremely limited resources and support with the likelyhood of encountering completely alien races and technology and as such could benefit from immortal robots and sentient programs to fly our ships, fire our weapons, upgrade and defend our systems and generally do everything better than us, for us. So really the question is who wouldn't want Primes in Andromeda? Most people here just argue for their own preferences, which is fine. But logically, in-universe it'd be holokid levels of moronic to attempt a trip like this without the geth and quarians on ships, habitats and tech and asari and salarians for meatbag needs, if you had a choice in the matter.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Aug 19, 2016 15:54:44 GMT
Assuming all the travelers on the ark are in stasis pods like Ryder (which could be possible) their knowledge about life on ships would be more or less useless and they don't bring anything else on the table. Why would the council races invite them? You're only thinking short-term, the trip there. But what about when you get there? You have to plan to house and defend a sustainable population in space indefinitely, be utterly efficient in teh use of all resources since you have very finite amounts of them, salvage and repair to an inhuman degree as you search for a suitable world to colonize in a galaxy with other sentients who more than likely don't want you muscling in on their turf. Now if only there was a race who's been doing that for four hundred years that could help out...
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Post by linksocarina on Aug 19, 2016 15:56:22 GMT
But ignoring all that, and my morals, the Geth would already have been decommissioned (who in their right minds wants feckin Primes in Andromeda?!? Anyone who realizes we're going into a new and completely unknown galaxy with extremely limited resources and support with the likelyhood of encountering completely alien races and technology and as such could benefit from immortal robots and sentient programs to fly our ships, fire our weapons, upgrade and defend our systems and generally do everything better than us, for us. So really the question is who wouldn't want Primes in Andromeda? Most people here just argue for their own preferences, which is fine. But logically, in-universe it'd be holokid levels of moronic to attempt a trip like this without the geth and quarians on ships, habitats and tech and asari and salarians for meatbag needs, if you had a choice in the matter. You are also assuming those immortal robots will be on our side, or still alive though.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Aug 19, 2016 15:58:55 GMT
You are also assuming those immortal robots will be on our side, or still alive though. I see no reason why they wouldn't be, given the vast majority of them are stated to have no hostile intent towards organics and no endings are canon.
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Post by Adhin on Aug 19, 2016 15:59:00 GMT
CrutchCricket : Quarian, sure, Geth? No. Outside of a ME3 specific outcome (which isn't going to be accounted for) as far as the Council or ANYONE else in the Milky Way Geth are evil murder robots. Seriously we talk with 1 (well a bunch inside one body) in ME2 and it's cool and all but as far as the galaxy is concerned they dun be evil robits yall. I can't even begin to figure out how the Council would spin that they have Geth onboard the ARK project. I mean making AI is wildly illegal, entirely because the Geth are galaxy spanning murder robots. Because the Geth exist, because that happened, it's illegal to make AI at all. Who wouldn't want primes on board the ARK ships? Everyone in the Milky Way except Shepard. Seriously... I don't even see how that could possibly be a question. Anyone wanting Geth in the ARK project is literally just fans wanting Geth. Which I get, they're awesome. But it would make absolutely no sense as to make it hard to take a lot of the game seriously. edit: Yes I realize Geth aren't actual murder robots, before anyone throws that at me. That's just how the WHOLE Galaxy views them. Call it racism against robots, doesn't matter, they wouldn't make it on the ships.
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Post by Panda on Aug 19, 2016 16:05:01 GMT
CrutchCricket : Quarian, sure, Geth? No. Outside of a ME3 specific outcome (which isn't going to be accounted for) as far as the Council or ANYONE else in the Milky Way Geth are evil murder robots. Seriously we talk with 1 (well a bunch inside one body) in ME2 and it's cool and all but as far as the galaxy is concerned they dun be evil robits yall. I can't even begin to figure out how the Council would spin that they have Geth onboard the ARK project. I mean making AI is wildly illegal, entirely because the Geth are galaxy spanning murder robots. Because the Geth exist, because that happened, it's illegal to make AI at all. Who wouldn't want primes on board the ARK ships? Everyone in the Milky Way except Shepard. Seriously... I don't even see how that could possibly be a question. Anyone wanting Geth in the ARK project is literally just fans wanting Geth. Which I get, they're awesome. But it would make absolutely no sense as to make it hard to take a lot of the game seriously. edit: Yes I realize Geth aren't actual murder robots, before anyone throws that at me. That's just how the WHOLE Galaxy views them. Call it racism against robots, doesn't matter, they wouldn't make it on the ships. Geth fought alongside with other alien races in ME3 in the end if they weren't destroyed by Quarians so if Ark leaving is timed after ME3 it's likely that Geths aren't seen as hostile murder robots anymore. They did plan to rebuild with Quarians after all and if Quarians can make peace with Geth there shouldn't be reason other races can't. However if Ark left before whole alliance with Geth then your point is correct, it's not likely anyone would have wanted geth on board at that time.
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Post by Adhin on Aug 19, 2016 17:25:32 GMT
Right, and it wont be leaving after ME3. They've stated the endings wont have any impact at all on MEA. No green glowy skinned people by there own words. The events of ME3 wont have taken place in MEA. Well, technically they 'will' have taken place but not by the time the ARK stuff launchs.
In fact considering some of the stuff they've mentioned it seems like the ARK project may of even been semi-public. That is to say the reasons for it might not be public but it may of been at least semi-public in it's recruitment as a one way trip to a new galaxy.
Ultimately though considering no outcome from ME3 will be taken into account, that ultimately means the Geth as that's part of it. The Genophage as well. Which probably means any of the Krogan who come along will do it because they just don't want to be part of that galaxy anymore. They're just done with things and want to at least go some place new away from it all. That's probably A LOT of peoples reasons I'd imagine.
Anyway, doesn't leave much room for Geth sadly. Unless they wanted to make a specific outcome from ME3 be canon yet still somehow not have the ending events of ME3 of taken place? Not sure how they'd manage that. Let alone make it public while keeping it from the Reapers. Just doesn't make much sense.
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Post by Vortex13 on Aug 19, 2016 17:33:04 GMT
I wish the Rachni were coming along. Out of all the species currently in the setting as of ME 3, they are the most compelling, the most 'alien'.
I would say that I am interested in seeing what new aliens BioWare will have for us in Andromeda, but truth be told, they don't have the best track record when it comes to adding in new 'alien' elements to an existing franchise.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Aug 19, 2016 17:52:44 GMT
CrutchCricket : Quarian, sure, Geth? No. Outside of a ME3 specific outcome (which isn't going to be accounted for) as far as the Council or ANYONE else in the Milky Way Geth are evil murder robots. Seriously we talk with 1 (well a bunch inside one body) in ME2 and it's cool and all but as far as the galaxy is concerned they dun be evil robits yall. I can't even begin to figure out how the Council would spin that they have Geth onboard the ARK project. I mean making AI is wildly illegal, entirely because the Geth are galaxy spanning murder robots. Because the Geth exist, because that happened, it's illegal to make AI at all. Who wouldn't want primes on board the ARK ships? Everyone in the Milky Way except Shepard. Seriously... I don't even see how that could possibly be a question. Anyone wanting Geth in the ARK project is literally just fans wanting Geth. Which I get, they're awesome. But it would make absolutely no sense as to make it hard to take a lot of the game seriously. edit: Yes I realize Geth aren't actual murder robots, before anyone throws that at me. That's just how the WHOLE Galaxy views them. Call it racism against robots, doesn't matter, they wouldn't make it on the ships. Even if you didn't make peace, Geth intentions are well documented by Shepard's interactions with them in ME2 and 3. As for the council, please. You forget the asari lead it, more recently famous for going against their own primary rule via the beacon on Thessia. Ditto for the salarians, shifty in general but also right back up to their shenanigans trying to uplift the yahg in secret. Turians might be more sticklers for rules but they're not lawfully stupid either. So yeah, if the geth could be an asset (and there's no arguing they can) you can bet the council would hesitate in covering up or flat out bullshitting "err, these are... new geth, yeah that's right. Did I say geth? I meant VIs. Oh, look a shiny thing!" Sorry but I think the negative reaction to including them is more fan bias than anything I've said. People are tired of the geth and/or them wanting to be real boys. Fair enough, but don't discount their obvious lore advantage or the possibility of them being included. Even by contrivance, for which there is plenty precedent (killed the rachni queen did you lololol)? This is kind of a thing I do in some franchises, combine the stengths of individual races or factions to come to a more powerful whole. So the ideal Ark expedition would be built/outfitted as follows: Ark construction/engineering: Rachni, geth/quarian, asari (funding) Ark operation: Geth/quarian, rachni, geth during intergalactic portion of voyage. Ark organic resource management (living space, food storage/hydroponics): quarians Ark defenses: geth Ark Medical/Organic research: Salarians Ark Technical/Scientific Research: Quarians, salarians Ark Diplomatic and Organic relations: Asari Ark Internal Mediation, Psychology and Chaplain services: Asari Ark Internal Security and Policing: Turian Ark Officer Corps: Turian Specific Situational Stuff: Exploration Long range scouting and recon: geth (space), geth, salarians (ground) First Contact: Asari Data collating and analyzing: qeth, quarians Combat (Space) Fleet Command: Turians Ark Defense Network, including cyberwarfare: geth Ark Weapons: Any Ark fighters and support craft: mix of geth and organic, Combat (ground) Command: Turians Scouts, and reconnisance: geth, salarians Ground forces: Krogan, rachni (depending on numbers available), geth, biotics. Ground forces (toxic environments) rachni, krogan, geth Stealth/sabotage: salarians, quarians There may be stuff I'm missing. I've only listed primary races for each thing, obviously other races could also do some of them. And humans of course could do any of them so it would've been redundant to add them to every line.
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Post by GruntKitterhand on Aug 19, 2016 22:02:35 GMT
(Edit: my quote messed up and I can't fix it - it was the bit about negative fan views of the geth) I wouldn't disagree with you on that. I hate the Geth. I don't trust them and I destroy them at every opportunity. My loathing is no doubt inflamed by hundreds of hours of multiplayer combat up against their cheating ways. Ideally I'd like to take off and nuke them from orbit, but it seems there's no time for aerial bombardment, so we have to negotiate them one turret at a time. As for SP, they suck and they've always sucked, even Legion, with its creepy Shepard Commander fetish. That VR server side mission was my least favourite of the entire trilogy, and I dread facing it again. Nah, no Geth for me. But beyond my own personal tastes, I don't believe there is a case for ignoring the risk of them being dangerous/going rogue, based on perceptions of them outside one single potential (unpopular) strand of Shepard's own narrative. Don't trust the AI, man, it'll think it knows better than you, eventually. Admittedly, I saw War Games and The Terminator at a formative age, and live in near constant fear that WOPR/Skynet will actually 'go live' on my watch, so to speak.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2016 14:16:45 GMT
Ooh my 3 choices are in the lead. Nice. Thanks for voting everyone.
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Post by degs29 on Aug 29, 2016 13:27:59 GMT
The Drell are the only easy choice. I don't find them interesting in the slightest. I mean, Thane was a damn assassin, and I still didn't find him that interesting. Although, somehow his death scene did pull at the heartstrings.
After the Drell, losing any of the listed races would hurt somewhat. I don't like the Quarians as a race, but I do find them to be interesting characters.... I guess they would be my second choice.
Third choice would be the Geth. I'm not one of the supporters of the Destroy ending, so this decision is merely based on personality preferences, of which you have so little to base your decision on.
1) Drell 2) Quarians 3) Geth
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Post by Atomkick Shinoski on Aug 29, 2016 13:55:27 GMT
Turian, Turian and Turian. I'm kidding I think Drell can stay (want to see females) though what BioWare should really axe out are Elcor, Volus and Hanar. And keep the Quarians please
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2016 20:10:58 GMT
"So, you work at BioWare and have to axe 3 species from Andromeda, which would they be?"
The three species with which I had questions.
But if I'm Bioware, don't I already know the answers, why do I have to axe them anything?
I should go.
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Post by Grim on Aug 29, 2016 20:19:02 GMT
Turian, Turian and Turian. I'm kidding I think Drell can stay (want to see females) though what BioWare should really axe out are Elcor, Volus and Hanar. And keep the Quarians please With deep sadness: You insult my species, I am hurt deeply by this. Elcor should be playable #PutElcorInTheFuckingGameBiowerOrIWillDrownYouInMyTearsYouSonsOfBitchesPlease Relaxed: But we should keep the Quarians as well.
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