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Post by straykat on Sept 11, 2016 11:00:39 GMT
I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt Thank you kindly. However, you are missing the point, individuals are not what I have a problem with, rather their racial manifestation of the "planet of hats" trope. Honestly, I don't think we got enough of "real Turians". Their homeworld was skipped in 3 and it had a lot of potential. Sounds like there were cool battles there. I ended up tying a lot of stories together in my head.. but I would have rather played it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2016 12:29:01 GMT
Never saw turians in general as honorable. There are a whole gaggle of them that are conniving, corrupt, underhanded and often violent scumbags. You have Saren, the first councilor, Lorik Qu'iin, Warren Kuril, Jacobus and I'd even throw General Oraka in there (blackmailing due to being a jilted lover?). Even the "good" one (Garrus) seems to be convinced he has the moral authority to disregard any rule he finds inconvienent (such as due process) and just randomly off people he doesn't like from a sniper perch with no warning.
If anything, they're just generic imperialist space militarists, not unlike Romulans with a better makeup budget (even down to the Roman style names and cultural references to birds).
If ME has a species "honor" hat then the quarians come closest to wearing it, but with them it's more loyalty than some universal code. Tali's ME2 mission is essentially about salvaging her dad/family "honor" but she's willing to lie to everyone and obstruct justice in order to do it.
There are also the Justicars, who seem to follow an honor code, but they don't represent the (quite morally relativist) primary asari culture as a whole.
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Post by straykat on Sept 11, 2016 12:33:17 GMT
Never saw turians in general as honorable. There are a whole gaggle of them that are conniving, corrupt, underhanded and often violent scumbags. You have Saren, the first councilor, Lorik Qu'iin, Warren Kuril, Jacobus and I'd even throw General Oraka in there (blackmailing due to being a jilted lover?). Even the "good" one (Garrus) seems to be convinced he has the moral authority to disregard any rule he finds inconvienent (such as due process) and just randomly off people he doesn't like from a sniper perch with no warning. If anything, they're just generic imperialist space militarists, not unlike Romulans with a better makeup budget (even down to the Roman style names and cultural references to birds). If ME has a species "honor" hat then the quarians come closest to wearing it, but with them it's more loyalty than some universal code. Tali's ME2 mission is essentially about salvaging her dad/family "honor" but she's willing to lie to everyone and obstruct justice in order to do it. There are also the Justicars, who seem to follow an honor code, but they don't represent the (quite morally relativist) primary asari culture as a whole. Oraka kind of cracks me up though. Such a strange quest. Relative to others at least. Tali annoys me in her mission tbh. I'd have thought Xen would agree with me.
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Post by fruitster on Sept 11, 2016 12:59:55 GMT
Geth, Drell and Quarians for the chop. Turians and Krogan are must have's for me.
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Post by RageUnderFire on Sept 11, 2016 20:33:23 GMT
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Sept 11, 2016 21:06:21 GMT
And the Turians because I'm tired of the (supposedly) "honorable" trope. Ever heard of Saren and Warden Kuril? The latter was the main antagonist in Jack's recruitment mission and the former was only the best villain in the entire Mass Effect series. So are you saying you do not want to kick the turians out of MEA because you want them to be available to play villains?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2016 8:14:52 GMT
I thought about it some more and if I want to be perversely mean then the races that would "pitch in" with humanity-
Asari-long life span combined with a sense of adventure and discovery
Krogan- long lifespan and most do not desire to return to Tuchanka but fight and get paid to do it, according to Wrex
Salarian- for the science!
Turians- what are those humans up to now, we must investigate!
Volus- cliented to turians, profit to be made why not
elcor- "We elcor prefer the familiarity of our own colonies to the confines of space travel", according to the elcor ambassador
hanar- don't they need to return to large bodies of water eventually, so no
drell- hanar man/woman servants, so no
vorcha- seen as troublesome and vermin by most species if not all, so no
batarians- isolationist to the bitter end, so no
geth- still considered hostile enemies up to the Rannoch story line conclusion, the middle of reaper war, so no
rachni- still considered hostile enemies up to the middle of reaper war, so no
quarians- did not all get called back in the time leading up to the reaper war back to the flotilla to retake Rannoch, are not most exiles potential dangerous individuals, like Golo and the viralogist serial killer on Omega Garrus kills by coughing, could we gather up enough quarians for a viable breeding population, maybe, but probably no
I'm being very mean.
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Post by KaiserShep on Sept 12, 2016 8:53:00 GMT
Well, the top 3 on this poll easily make the most sense.
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Post by BadgerladDK on Sept 12, 2016 9:16:49 GMT
Where exactly were the Turians, Asari or Salarians during all this and how did that go over in the galactic community, that the Council were content to sit back and let billions of individuals from an intelligent species die? I know, right, and to a productive, allied and completely law abiding Citadel member state no less? As if that wasn't enough, they did everything they could to spitefully piss on their ancestors for 3 centuries as well, all the way up to endorsing slavery and ethnic cleansing. Oh not the rats....you mean the other intelligent species they were too busy ignoring in their ivory tower? Right, the frogs. Guess they all deserved to starve. Dummies shoulda uplifted a galactic scourge of battletoads or something to save themselves like a real species. Still, Council could've done worse. Either could have ended up like the rachni. I'd axe all the non human Council species. Better yet, kill off the asari (they're a quick breeding plague like the rachni, who are at least nice enough to only take dump planets noone wants). Kill 99.5% of the turians and force the rest to live in deep space, enslaving them if they come into yours. Then, put krogan on the salarian homeworld (seems only fair, it's their fault), watch the former eat everything and then force the latter into a dumb compact where they have to do boring science and mathshit for everyone else that we can't be bothered with. Seems only fair. Oh, and when the next big galactic menace comes, I want an air quoting amnesiac quarian, a comically racist krogan and a conniving, secret hoarding volus to first deny it exists, then pointlessly obstruct the people trying to fight it, only to deny it some more before finally deciding to do absolutely nothing about it. Not the world's biggest fan of your galactic extinction event, but just wanted to point out that I love the phrase "galactic scourge of battletoads". If Krogan were as hard as Battle Toads, we'd all be screwed.
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Post by Duke Cameron on Sept 13, 2016 1:10:48 GMT
Krogan, Salarian and Turian
Asari - Offers romance options to both sexes. Keep them. Drell - We only saw two of them in the original series. I want to see more. Geth - Are awesome looking synthetics. Don't get rid of them. Quarians - I want to see if they've evolved any. Keep them.
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Post by Stinja on Sept 24, 2016 20:42:15 GMT
Voted, but if Biower was only doing 4 races i'd choose to include races which haven't been fleshed out much, or would be best for exploring:
- Vorcha. Surely a great race to take exploring, as they'd be able to adapt to different hostile environments. Bonus of flamers, flamers everywhere! - Krogan. Meat shields. Headbutt parties. Bonus conversationalists: Ryder. Wrex. Ryder. Wrex. Ryyyyderrrr... - Volus. You need someone to count all the loot this new galaxy will have. They'll be useful on high-G worlds. Bonus for pushing diversity and inclusion in videogames: forget LGBT, Biower representing vertically challenged people. - Asari. Blue bewbies. And TBH do you really want to date the others? Bonus of bewbies; which are blue.
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Post by maxon on Sept 24, 2016 22:40:28 GMT
I can't choose - the only one I'd slightly vote for would be the asari and I still want to see them. I'm concerned by the lack of a sighting of a turian in the stuff we've had so far.
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Post by Spectr61 on Sept 24, 2016 22:57:37 GMT
None.
If we have a big ass Ark, why not bring'em all?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2016 23:31:48 GMT
My money is on Drell, Geth and Salarians - none of them were able to be on your squad in ME3 (even during the Citadel DLC). If they continue that trend, they're gone.
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Post by FireAndBlood on Sept 25, 2016 10:54:57 GMT
My money is on Drell, Geth and Salarians - none of them were able to be on your squad in ME3 (even during the Citadel DLC). If they continue that trend, they're gone. There was a salarian in the E3 video.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2016 13:00:19 GMT
My money is on Drell, Geth and Salarians - none of them were able to be on your squad in ME3 (even during the Citadel DLC). If they continue that trend, they're gone. There was a salarian in the E3 video. ... They could still get wiped out in the early going. We're talking about the company that killed off their main character in the first few minutes of the second game of a trilogy, right? What I really think is that it will be the drell, geth, hanar, vorcha, elcor, batarians and volus that go... along with the Protheans, Collectors and Reapers of all types (cannibals, brutes, ravagers, banshees, harvesters, husks and their varieties like creepers, etc.). They are also eliminating the morphed design of TIM, the thresher maw, rachni, and the thorian. With all of those old enemy race designs that can easily be tossed, I honestly don't think they would have to eliminate any primary races to introduce Andormedan races and save on design costs. The Salarians as squad mates were effectively already eliminated in ME3... so if the issue is making room for Andromedans on the squad... I still say the Salarians are gonzo... they might (and probably will) still be on the ARK.
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Post by SofaJockey on Sept 25, 2016 13:22:22 GMT
On a new platform, each race, each character has a cost in construction, voice acting and story telling. Arriving in Andromeda brings a necessity for new races and characters, so jettisoning a few is entirely logical, particularly when you consider that subsequent DLC and games may introduce even more. - Having Geth on board seem illogical from a plot perspective.
- Drell were pretty much an off-shoot of one character, so no need for those.
- Vorcha? Not much depth there.
- Quarians? Fairly disposable, though easier to animate I guess as mostly humanoid with a helmet.
If none of the above appeared, I wouldn't be troubled.
Not including the Turians would be a surprise but I'd accept it as a necessary choice.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2016 13:25:56 GMT
On a new platform, each race, each character has a cost in construction, voice acting and story telling. Arriving in Andromeda brings a necessity for new races and characters, so jettisoning a few is entirely logical, particularly when you consider that subsequent DLC and games may introduce even more. - Having Geth on board seem illogical from a plot perspective.
- Drell were pretty much an off-shoot of one character, so no need for those.
- Vorcha? Not much depth there.
- Quarians? Fairly disposable, though easier to animate I guess as mostly humanoid with a helmet.
If none of the above appeared, I wouldn't be troubled.
Not including the Turians would be a surprise but I'd accept it as a necessary choice.
Thank you, that was my point when making the poll. Many ppl don't seem to understand the reality do they? It costs a lot of money for every race, hard choices have to be made. 'Taking everyone' is unbelievably impractical from a development standpoint.
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Post by Monk on Sept 25, 2016 15:12:18 GMT
I think it's possible to bring every (known) species on the Arks. It doesn't mean, however, that every species has to be an option in the squad.
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Post by Lavochkin on Sept 25, 2016 16:54:24 GMT
On a new platform, each race, each character has a cost in construction, voice acting and story telling. Arriving in Andromeda brings a necessity for new races and characters, so jettisoning a few is entirely logical, particularly when you consider that subsequent DLC and games may introduce even more. - Having Geth on board seem illogical from a plot perspective.
- Drell were pretty much an off-shoot of one character, so no need for those.
- Vorcha? Not much depth there.
- Quarians? Fairly disposable, though easier to animate I guess as mostly humanoid with a helmet.
If none of the above appeared, I wouldn't be troubled.
Not including the Turians would be a surprise but I'd accept it as a necessary choice.
Vorcha would actually be great to have onboard lore-wise in terms of colonization due to how well they adapt to new environments(especially ones unsuitable for others). There's no better race to have for construction,mining, security and other tasks than my boys the Vorcha. This would grant them more depth than as mere blood pack mooks as they were before.
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Post by Spectr61 on Sept 25, 2016 19:06:16 GMT
When exploring a new galaxy, best send a philosopher, and a poet. Hopefully both.
With an eidietic memory for perfect recall.
Send a Drell.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 25, 2016 20:16:16 GMT
'Taking everyone' is unbelievably impractical from a development standpoint. And not taking everyone is unbelievably impractical from a writing standpoint.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2016 21:01:18 GMT
'Taking everyone' is unbelievably impractical from a development standpoint. And not taking everyone is unbelievably impractical from a writing standpoint. Huh? Taking every race in the galaxy is absolutely impractical from every standpoint, especially for the narrative of the game.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 26, 2016 4:45:17 GMT
And not taking everyone is unbelievably impractical from a writing standpoint. Huh? Taking every race in the galaxy is absolutely impractical from every standpoint, especially for the narrative of the game. No it isn't. There is nothing impractical about saying how all the species we know and love made the trip, where leaving them behind causing multiple issues. In terms of resources, just because all came along doesn't mean all need to be front and center in this game. Merely having them mentioned as being with us but not getting any screentime costs practically nothing in terms of resources and yet keeps all the doors open and available for the future.
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