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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2017 18:56:34 GMT
There is zero, as in absolutely no indication that the Reapers were restricted to this galaxy. There mandate "as stated by both Leviathans and the Catalyst itself" was to preserve life at all costs. Not Milky Way life, life in general. You keep conflating different parts of the programming. In a program designed to create a solution, there would be a base data set, a problem statement / definition, and then the processing logic. At least, that's how computers as we know them today work. Logic needs something to process, whether it be a database, user input, or a message from another automated process. The base data set would presumably include what the Leviathans know of the Milky Way and its history. We know that the processing logic allowed the AI to gather additional information, because it did do a lot of experimenting and researching throughout the galaxy. And the Leviathans are very clear about that scope: "Before the cycles, our kind was the apex of life in the galaxy." "You cannot conceive of a galaxy that bends to your will." "It created an army of pawns that searched the galaxy, gathering this data." "The galaxy itself became an experiment. Evolution its tool." The Leviathans pretty much flat out tell you that the AI never went beyond The Milky Way. The mandate was to "preserve life at any cost." Clearly, the AI had a different definition / understanding of "life" than we organics do, but the "at any cost" bit means that they were not restricted in the kinds of solutions they could deploy. That the AI found a "solution" the Leviathans did not expect does not mean they ever changed the initial scope of the problem definition.
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Post by theorigcylonhybrid on Jan 24, 2017 18:38:20 GMT
So, where would it end? Why would be reapars stop at other neighboring galaxies when the entire infinite universe could be a threat. You just go on a never ending and unhelpful tangent in which the original goal of protecting organic life is now impossible to achieve. This is why we set parameters in models and this is the answer to your question OP.
This premise set by other people that reapers had to control parameters outside the milky way is therefore not logical. I understand what they are trying to say that to control all the paramters of their experiment they would have to control outside forces. But since the outside forces border on the infinite, it is beyond both the abilities and the scope of the reaper experiment to look outside the ME galaxy. The reapers themselves are not infinite which would be a requirement to fulfil this function.
You have to recognize in science that every experiment is not perfect and has its limitations, that does not mean its then not logical or it is lacking critical thought to pursue the experiment. These people talking about controlling other galaxies are obviously not scientists and ignore the reality of actually doing an experiment.
This is basically the only real answer to your premise in this thread.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jan 24, 2017 18:52:14 GMT
Even if the reapers decided they were going to do the same thing to Andromeda, would they really have enough time from the point they began construction of the MW relay network to Shepard's timeline? Sure, a billion years is a long time, but considering the sheer distance between all these points in the galaxy, the time to construct each one, and then the intervals of the cycles, it's doubtful that they even got a chance to establish a totally new network elsewhere. Aside from that, it's never been established that the catalyst can even extend its influence that far, seeing as how it controls the reapers.....apparently.
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Post by themikefest on Jan 24, 2017 19:24:04 GMT
They didn't have time to go to Andromeda. They were busy with other stuff
After each cycle, they all meet back at Club DarkSpace
Harbinger: Ok. Before I release everyone, I have a few announcements. Destroyer #23192 had the most kills for all destroyers. You are promoted to Capital Ship. Everyone give him a round of applause. He deserves it. #23192 head over to the upgrade building immediately #23192: Thank you Harbingerboss. Harbinger: Capital ship #10435. You had the most kills for the whole cycle. You will have the honor of leading us for the next harvest. #10435: Thank you my Lord. I will not fail you Harbinger: Going over these reports, there are areas we can improve on. I especially want to cut down the amount of time it takes to harvest the organics. If there's nothing more, I will see all of you in 48 000 years. Harbinger heads to his office to plan the next harvest. He works out plans to cut the time down. 48 000 years later. All reapers get their oil changed. The tires rotated. All dents and scratches fixed. A new paint job. The rest of the time Harbinger puts them through drills to get them in shape. The day has come. They all gather at the Hall of Dead. They pay tribute to ones that have been destroyed. Harbinger: Capital Ship #10435. It is time. #10435: Yes my Lord. All Reapers. FORWARD. MARCH. FTL in 3..2...1
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Post by Iakus on Jan 24, 2017 20:12:49 GMT
There is zero, as in absolutely no indication that the Reapers were restricted to this galaxy. There mandate "as stated by both Leviathans and the Catalyst itself" was to preserve life at all costs. Not Milky Way life, life in general. You keep conflating different parts of the programming. In a program designed to create a solution, there would be a base data set, a problem statement / definition, and then the processing logic. At least, that's how computers as we know them today work. Logic needs something to process, whether it be a database, user input, or a message from another automated process. The base data set would presumably include what the Leviathans know of the Milky Way and its history. We know that the processing logic allowed the AI to gather additional information, because it did do a lot of experimenting and researching throughout the galaxy. And the Leviathans are very clear about that scope: "Before the cycles, our kind was the apex of life in the galaxy." "You cannot conceive of a galaxy that bends to your will." "It created an army of pawns that searched the galaxy, gathering this data." "The galaxy itself became an experiment. Evolution its tool." The Leviathans pretty much flat out tell you that the AI never went beyond The Milky Way. Which is untrue. The Reapers leave the galaxy after every single cycle. They hang out in dark space. for tens of thousands of years. More than enough time for them to visit nearby galaxies and return. But it does show that they measure things very differently. They do not take into account limitations the Leviathans thought to be implicit. And there were no real limits placed on the Reapers "life" rather than "galactic life" and "at any cost", giving them free reign over, well, everything to do with finding a solution
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Post by malanek on Jan 24, 2017 20:30:09 GMT
Leaving aside any pre-shep Reaper motivation, under a Control or Synthesis ending it would not make sense for the Reapers to not go to Andromeda at the conclusion of ME3 to hook up with the Andromeda Initiative and help them get established in Andromeda. They would actually arrive prior to the AI. I really think the writers should have done a better job at coming up with an explanation over how they got there.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2017 21:34:03 GMT
You keep conflating different parts of the programming. In a program designed to create a solution, there would be a base data set, a problem statement / definition, and then the processing logic. At least, that's how computers as we know them today work. Logic needs something to process, whether it be a database, user input, or a message from another automated process. The base data set would presumably include what the Leviathans know of the Milky Way and its history. We know that the processing logic allowed the AI to gather additional information, because it did do a lot of experimenting and researching throughout the galaxy. And the Leviathans are very clear about that scope: "Before the cycles, our kind was the apex of life in the galaxy." "You cannot conceive of a galaxy that bends to your will." "It created an army of pawns that searched the galaxy, gathering this data." "The galaxy itself became an experiment. Evolution its tool." The Leviathans pretty much flat out tell you that the AI never went beyond The Milky Way. Which is untrue. The Reapers leave the galaxy after every single cycle. They hang out in dark space. for tens of thousands of years. More than enough time for them to visit nearby galaxies and return. Killing time hanging out in dark space =/= traveling to any other galaxies to do any research or experimentation. The Leviathans explicitly tell us that the AI's focus for research and experimentation was the galaxy, full stop. As I suggested in my original reply - the AI's view of what it means to preserve life would apparently include converting organics to goo and using them to construct reapers. Having free reign over finding a solution =/= freedom to change the scope (or definition) of the original problem it was designed to solve.
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Post by Iakus on Jan 24, 2017 21:44:56 GMT
]Killing time hanging out in dark space =/= traveling to any other galaxies to do any research or experimentation. The Leviathans explicitly tell us that the AI's focus for research and experimentation was the galaxy, full stop. And how do the Leviathans know what the Reapers do in dark space? They can't even know what happens in this galaxy without their spheres and thralls. We know the Leviathans are stuck in this galaxy. But we also know the Reapers are not. This galaxy could be one laboratory experiment of many. The Reapers' goal is to "preserve life" "Life" is the scope. Not "galactic life". That's the Leviathan's implicit meaning as far as scope goes. And in any case, I have demonstrated how the existence of intergalactic travel can interfere with the Reapers' experiment even if they did limit themselves to one galaxy. And as such it should be painfully obvious to them that they should establish a presence in those galaxies if it was at all possible.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2017 21:49:21 GMT
Well, a single soldier from the Milky Way was able to give the Reapers so much trouble and even managed to destroy them in the end (or whatever you chose). It seemed that cycle after cycle things were getting more difficult for them (and that in one single galaxy). In fact, from what I gathered, it was just a matter of time before they were defeated for good (from the refuse ending). We just happened to be the ones that accomplished that.
I don't think going after unknown life in additional galaxies and possibly exposing your army to unpredictable variables were attractive prospects for them.
They seemed very careful at what they did, and had extensive knowledge about the Milky Way, hence, their edge over everyone. Indeed, their goal was to preserve life at any cost, not just Milky Way life, but I don't think they would risk expanding their area of work so soon. They didn't have that much power.
But, the Reapers were arrogant to the point of never believing anyone would be able to challenge them, and that's why they lost. Maybe that's also why they weren't reasonable enough to establish themselves in another galaxy in case shit hit the fan for them.
But, of course, this is my opinion, not a fact.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 24, 2017 22:46:43 GMT
It's all just opinion over fact. Nevertheless, the Reapers aren't in Andromeda so your ideas on the subject are as good as anyone's who works with that fact.
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Post by themikefest on Jan 24, 2017 22:49:40 GMT
The reason why the reapers were defeated in this cycle is because they were made stupid.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Jan 24, 2017 22:57:08 GMT
The reason why the reapers were defeated in this cycle is because they were made stupid.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2017 23:17:31 GMT
The reason why the reapers were defeated in this cycle is because they were made stupid. Stupid beings do go to other galaxies, proven by our beloved Ai. Oops... Reapers confirmed in Andromeda then. Now, if only we could meet Fred there.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2017 0:04:30 GMT
And how do the Leviathans know what the Reapers do in dark space? They can't even know what happens in this galaxy without their spheres and thralls. We know the Leviathans are stuck in this galaxy. But we also know the Reapers are not. This galaxy could be one laboratory experiment of many. Well, I guess you can (and apparently will) make up whatever you like about the reapers. "Life" is the scope. Not "galactic life". You keep conflating the problem with the solution. They're not the same thing. If I wanted to plan a party to host 20 people, there would be many possible solutions, and different ways to think outside the box in creating that social event. If I changed the guest list to include 200 people, however, the same plans (like the venue selected) might not work - because I've changed the scope of the event I want to plan. A different problem (hosting 200 people) would require a different solution. The Leviathans were concerned only with life in this galaxy. The AI had the freedom to think outside the box in creating a solution (at any cost), but we have no indication that it was empowered to change the problem definition (including the scope).
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Post by theorigcylonhybrid on Jan 25, 2017 0:13:44 GMT
And how do the Leviathans know what the Reapers do in dark space? They can't even know what happens in this galaxy without their spheres and thralls. We know the Leviathans are stuck in this galaxy. But we also know the Reapers are not. This galaxy could be one laboratory experiment of many. Well, I guess you can (and apparently will) make up whatever you like about the reapers. "Life" is the scope. Not "galactic life". You keep conflating the problem with the solution. They're not the same thing. If I wanted to plan a party to host 20 people, there would be many possible solutions, and different ways to think outside the box in creating that social event. If I changed the guest list to include 200 people, however, the same plans (like the venue selected) might not work - because I've changed the scope of the event I want to plan. A different problem (hosting 200 people) would require a different solution. The Leviathans were concerned only with life in this galaxy. The AI had the freedom to think outside the box in creating a solution (at any cost), but we have no indication that it was empowered to change the problem definition (including the scope). Guys, I don't know why you are having this argument. I answered the OP with the correct answer which negates this argument. Lets think about it logically step by step. Pasqaule said: 'We know the Leviathans are stuck in this galaxy. But we also know the Reapers are not. This galaxy could be one laboratory experiment of many.' So lets say the reapers perform this experiment in 10 other galaxies, what about the hundreds of other galaxies in our local group? By the same argument, why be limited to 10 galaxies when you need to control variables outside this new experiment. Lets say the reapers control all the galaxies in the local group, what about the other hundreds of millions of galaxies (probably more) in the one universe. Lets say the reapers control all the galaxies in the entire universe, what about the infinite number of universes that exist in our space time? The reapers cannont be infinite because the universe is only 14 billion years old and it would require an infinite amount of time to have an infinite amount of reapers. Therefore that premise fails.Therefore there must be limits put on the scope of the experiment to make it achievable and not an impossibility, otherwise the mandate to protect organic life will never be achieved. Therefore you must always have an experiment in which there exists outside variables uncontrollable by the catalyst. There is no evidence to suggest that this experiment exists beyond the milky way based on available data. Therefore the reapers existing in other galaxies is only a supposition and has no real weight behind it and cannot be argued until further evidence to the contrary is presented. Otherwise you undergo a tangent of unhelpful arguments with no basis.
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Post by Iakus on Jan 25, 2017 16:18:20 GMT
And how do the Leviathans know what the Reapers do in dark space? They can't even know what happens in this galaxy without their spheres and thralls. We know the Leviathans are stuck in this galaxy. But we also know the Reapers are not. This galaxy could be one laboratory experiment of many. Well, I guess you can (and apparently will) make up whatever you like about the reapers. Merely pointing out that the Reapers can and do leave the galaxy. And for extended periods of time. The opportunity is there The Leviathans essentially told the Reapers "host a party" They did not specify how many people. Or where. Or how. And even assuming it was "20 people" (whcih, again, is a major assumption) The Reapers would have to account for people from other galaxies potentially "crashing" the party and messing up their plans. Because, you know, intergalactic travel.
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Post by Iakus on Jan 25, 2017 16:26:32 GMT
Guys, I don't know why you are having this argument. I answered the OP with the correct answer which negates this argument. Lets think about it logically step by step. Pasqaule said: 'We know the Leviathans are stuck in this galaxy. But we also know the Reapers are not. This galaxy could be one laboratory experiment of many.' So lets say the reapers perform this experiment in 10 other galaxies, what about the hundreds of other galaxies in our local group? By the same argument, why be limited to 10 galaxies when you need to control variables outside this new experiment. Lets say the reapers control all the galaxies in the local group, what about the other hundreds of millions of galaxies (probably more) in the one universe. Lets say the reapers control all the galaxies in the entire universe, what about the infinite number of universes that exist in our space time? The reapers cannont be infinite because the universe is only 14 billion years old and it would require an infinite amount of time to have an infinite amount of reapers. Therefore that premise fails.Therefore there must be limits put on the scope of the experiment to make it achievable and not an impossibility, otherwise the mandate to protect organic life will never be achieved. Therefore you must always have an experiment in which there exists outside variables uncontrollable by the catalyst. There is no evidence to suggest that this experiment exists beyond the milky way based on available data. Therefore the reapers existing in other galaxies is only a supposition and has no real weight behind it and cannot be argued until further evidence to the contrary is presented. Otherwise you undergo a tangent of unhelpful arguments with no basis. Actually, I was the one who said the Milky Way could be one experiment of many. You are correct, the Reapers cannot be infinite. They do have limits. However, with the existence of intergalactic travel and the distances involved in the local group, it only makes sense that they would take into account the galaxies that are within their effective range. And gradually spread out. Remember, the intelligence started out with NO Reapers, and grew to the point where they have effectively controlled this galaxy for millions of years. Has anyone wondered what happened to those original machines? Could they not have gone to Andromeda, created new Reapers there, and start the cycles there as well? And to however many other galaxies in the local cluster? When you are trying to find a "solution", isn't it smart (not to mention efficient) to run several different experiments at once, rather than one after another after another in a linear fashion?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2017 18:02:38 GMT
Well, I guess you can (and apparently will) make up whatever you like about the reapers. Merely pointing out that the Reapers can and do leave the galaxy. And for extended periods of time. The opportunity is there Like I said awhile ago, the Leviathans are very specific in telling us: 1) Their area of concern was the galaxy, galaxy, galaxy, galaxy. 2) The AI / reapers confined their research and experimentation to the galaxy. You can take what's presented in-game at face value - or not. And I knew I'd regret providing an example of scope creep.
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Post by Iakus on Jan 25, 2017 18:37:05 GMT
Merely pointing out that the Reapers can and do leave the galaxy. And for extended periods of time. The opportunity is there Like I said awhile ago, the Leviathans are very specific in telling us: 1) Their area of concern was the galaxy, galaxy, galaxy, galaxy. 2) The AI / reapers confined their research and experimentation to the galaxy. You can take what's presented in-game at face value - or not. And I knew I'd regret providing an example of scope creep. 1) Irrelevant. They were also concerned about keeping their thralls from being mulched. That didn't work out either. 2) And how would the Leviathans know this if the Reapers leave the galaxy and they do not? I take Reaper behavior, the phrasing of their mandate, and extrapolate how they would be likely to act, if we throw in intergalactic travel. Hey, just because I poked holes in your example that further reinforced my point...
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Post by KaiserShep on Jan 25, 2017 18:40:41 GMT
Guys, I don't know why you are having this argument. I answered the OP with the correct answer which negates this argument. Lets think about it logically step by step. Pasqaule said: 'We know the Leviathans are stuck in this galaxy. But we also know the Reapers are not. This galaxy could be one laboratory experiment of many.' So lets say the reapers perform this experiment in 10 other galaxies, what about the hundreds of other galaxies in our local group? By the same argument, why be limited to 10 galaxies when you need to control variables outside this new experiment. Lets say the reapers control all the galaxies in the local group, what about the other hundreds of millions of galaxies (probably more) in the one universe. Lets say the reapers control all the galaxies in the entire universe, what about the infinite number of universes that exist in our space time? The reapers cannont be infinite because the universe is only 14 billion years old and it would require an infinite amount of time to have an infinite amount of reapers. Therefore that premise fails.Therefore there must be limits put on the scope of the experiment to make it achievable and not an impossibility, otherwise the mandate to protect organic life will never be achieved. Therefore you must always have an experiment in which there exists outside variables uncontrollable by the catalyst. There is no evidence to suggest that this experiment exists beyond the milky way based on available data. Therefore the reapers existing in other galaxies is only a supposition and has no real weight behind it and cannot be argued until further evidence to the contrary is presented. Otherwise you undergo a tangent of unhelpful arguments with no basis. Actually, I was the one who said the Milky Way could be one experiment of many. You are correct, the Reapers cannot be infinite. They do have limits. However, with the existence of intergalactic travel and the distances involved in the local group, it only makes sense that they would take into account the galaxies that are within their effective range. And gradually spread out. Remember, the intelligence started out with NO Reapers, and grew to the point where they have effectively controlled this galaxy for millions of years. Has anyone wondered what happened to those original machines? Could they not have gone to Andromeda, created new Reapers there, and start the cycles there as well? And to however many other galaxies in the local cluster? When you are trying to find a "solution", isn't it smart (not to mention efficient) to run several different experiments at once, rather than one after another after another in a linear fashion? That depends on whether or not the reapers have the capacity to assemble two entire networks across 2 galaxies in this timeframe. Frankly, their being grossly overpowered as they were got old. Being able to totally occupy two galaxies and build what would take eons to establish is pushing it. At this point, trying to stick to any hard logic regarding the reapers' sphere of influence is kind of meaningless, especially when the whole cyclical extermination bit doesn't really hold up that well to serious scrutiny either. This narrative just has little to no worth since BioWare pretty much played all their hands by the end of the trilogy. But, since we're on about this, it does get me wondering about the implications of reapers occupying Andromeda. Presumably, the catalyst would have some sort of means of communicating with the Andromeda reapers, and if these MWborn killbots were taking control of 2 galaxies, it stands to reason that they would create a bridge between the two so they can stay connected and minimize time to transport assets. They wouldn't futz about with a longer trip once they got to the other side.
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Actually, I was the one who said the Milky Way could be one experiment of many. You are correct, the Reapers cannot be infinite. They do have limits. However, with the existence of intergalactic travel and the distances involved in the local group, it only makes sense that they would take into account the galaxies that are within their effective range. And gradually spread out. Remember, the intelligence started out with NO Reapers, and grew to the point where they have effectively controlled this galaxy for millions of years. Has anyone wondered what happened to those original machines? Could they not have gone to Andromeda, created new Reapers there, and start the cycles there as well? And to however many other galaxies in the local cluster? When you are trying to find a "solution", isn't it smart (not to mention efficient) to run several different experiments at once, rather than one after another after another in a linear fashion? That depends on whether or not the reapers have the capacity to assemble two entire networks across 2 galaxies in this timeframe. Frankly, their being grossly overpowered as they were got old. Being able to totally occupy two galaxies and build what would take eons to establish is pushing it. At this point, trying to stick to any hard logic regarding the reapers' sphere of influence is kind of meaningless, especially when the whole cyclical extermination bit doesn't really hold up that well to serious scrutiny either. This narrative just has little to no worth since BioWare pretty much played all their hands by the end of the trilogy. But, since we're on about this, it does get me wondering about the implications of reapers occupying Andromeda. Presumably, the catalyst would have some sort of means of communicating with the Andromeda reapers, and if these MWborn killbots were taking control of 2 galaxies, it stands to reason that they would create a bridge between the two so they can stay connected and minimize time to transport assets. They wouldn't futz about with a longer trip once they got to the other side. Possible. Or they could establish separate broods, like the 13 and 17 year cicadas in North America: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periodical_cicadas#Broods Multiple Reaper broods, operating more or less independently, would also be in line with Vendetta saying the Reapers are themselves part of a "greater cycle" I certainly don't disagree that the Reapers got stupidly overpowered by the end. TO the point where you have to wonder what the writers were on and whether it was medicinal or recreational.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2017 20:08:28 GMT
Like I said awhile ago, the Leviathans are very specific in telling us: 1) Their area of concern was the galaxy, galaxy, galaxy, galaxy. 2) The AI / reapers confined their research and experimentation to the galaxy. You can take what's presented in-game at face value - or not. And I knew I'd regret providing an example of scope creep. 1) Irrelevant. They were also concerned about keeping their thralls from being mulched. That didn't work out either. 2) And how would the Leviathans know this if the Reapers leave the galaxy and they do not? I take Reaper behavior, the phrasing of their mandate, and extrapolate how they would be likely to act, if we throw in intergalactic travel. Hey, just because I poked holes in your example that further reinforced my point... I started to respond to your (once again) taking things totally out of context, but realized it's a waste of time. You're obviously determined to fill in any blanks the writers left (and they are legion) with your own headcanon, what-ifs, whatever. Have at it.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 25, 2017 20:19:29 GMT
Iakus: In researching something else entirely, I ran across the Vigil conversation. It has some things to say about what Reapers do when they're not invading the Milky Way Galaxy. It also explains why they probably didn't go to Andromeda. Also, it makes sense. Shepard: How do the Reapers survive out in dark space? Vigil: We have only theories. The researchers have come to believe the Reapers enter prolonged states of inactivity to conserve energy. This allows them to survive the thousands and thousands of years it takes for organic civilization to rebuild itself. But in this state, they are vulnerable. This illustrates that the Reapers do not have infinite energy to go everywhere and do everything they might want to do. They have limits. Therefore, they sit in dark space and conserve energy for the hundreds of years they'll spend fighting organics. Then they recharge themselves, make sure the stage is set for the next cycle, and conserve energy. Hell, I can't think of an energy source that can survive for 50,000 years that isn't a celestial object. The Reapers are limited and that's why they have to find the real solution before moving onward - assuming they even cared to do so.
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Post by Iakus on Jan 25, 2017 20:27:02 GMT
Iakus : In researching something else entirely, I ran across the Vigil conversation. It has some things to say about what Reapers do when they're not invading the Milky Way Galaxy. It also explains why they probably didn't go to Andromeda. Also, it makes sense. Shepard: How do the Reapers survive out in dark space? Vigil: We have only theories. The researchers have come to believe the Reapers enter prolonged states of inactivity to conserve energy. This allows them to survive the thousands and thousands of years it takes for organic civilization to rebuild itself. But in this state, they are vulnerable. This illustrates that the Reapers do not have infinite energy to go everywhere and do everything they might want to do. They have limits. Therefore, they sit in dark space and conserve energy for the hundreds of years they'll spend fighting organics. Then they recharge themselves, make sure the stage is set for the next cycle, and conserve energy. Hell, I can't think of an energy source that can survive for 50,000 years that isn't a celestial object. The Reapers are limited and that's why they have to find the real solution before moving onward - assuming they even cared to do so. Correct, they do not have infinite energy. However, we HAVE seen energy sources that last 50,000 years that's not even Reaper in nature, ie, Prothean artifacts. And the Reapers are far, far more advanced than the Protheans. Heck, the energy sources don't even have to last fifty thousand years: Just a couple of centuries. Reapers travel faster than our ships. It would take them even less time to reach Andromeda than it would this cycle. As I've said before, if we can get there, they could get there.
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Post by tjmitchem on Jan 25, 2017 20:47:28 GMT
Maybe the Reapers went to Andromeda and got their asses kicked, then said "fuck this shit, we out". We've seen some Remnant (probably) tech that looks far more advanced than anything we saw from the Reapers. Edit: Now that I've thought about it, I hope this isn't the case. Anybody strong enough to bitchslap the Reapers, and not dead/extinct, will crush Humanity like a bug. We're outgunned enough as it is
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