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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 25, 2017 21:11:15 GMT
Iakus : In researching something else entirely, I ran across the Vigil conversation. It has some things to say about what Reapers do when they're not invading the Milky Way Galaxy. It also explains why they probably didn't go to Andromeda. Also, it makes sense. Shepard: How do the Reapers survive out in dark space? Vigil: We have only theories. The researchers have come to believe the Reapers enter prolonged states of inactivity to conserve energy. This allows them to survive the thousands and thousands of years it takes for organic civilization to rebuild itself. But in this state, they are vulnerable. This illustrates that the Reapers do not have infinite energy to go everywhere and do everything they might want to do. They have limits. Therefore, they sit in dark space and conserve energy for the hundreds of years they'll spend fighting organics. Then they recharge themselves, make sure the stage is set for the next cycle, and conserve energy. Hell, I can't think of an energy source that can survive for 50,000 years that isn't a celestial object. The Reapers are limited and that's why they have to find the real solution before moving onward - assuming they even cared to do so. Correct, they do not have infinite energy. However, we HAVE seen energy sources that last 50,000 years that's not even Reaper in nature, ie, Prothean artifacts. And the Reapers are far, far more advanced than the Protheans. Heck, the energy sources don't even have to last fifty thousand years: Just a couple of centuries. Reapers travel faster than our ships. It would take them even less time to reach Andromeda than it would this cycle. As I've said before, if we can get there, they could get there. OK, I'll acknowledge the Prothean beacons but also say that they're basically in an idle state until activated. And all that fast travel from the Reapers surely consumes a lot of energy given that it uses eezo, something that degrades over time (per the Leviathan DLC). At the end of the day, though, this might be covered in some way in ME:A. Since we don't have the game yet everything we discuss are just theories. How about saving the complaints about "why" before seeing if they address it? Even I admit they probably won't but we still don't know.
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Post by DoomsdayDevice on Jan 25, 2017 21:21:11 GMT
The reason why the reapers were defeated in this cycle (...) ..but were they? One thing's for sure, we're not going to find out in ME:A.
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Post by DoomsdayDevice on Jan 25, 2017 21:26:42 GMT
Wait, Vigil literally says "we only have theories".
As far as I know, it's not even sure where they go when they leave the Milky Way after a cycle. Sure, they go to dark space, but are they staying there, or just traversing intergalactic space to another galaxy?
It's not even sure they power down.
All of that is theory.
We. simply. don't. know.
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Post by Iakus on Jan 25, 2017 21:28:43 GMT
Correct, they do not have infinite energy. However, we HAVE seen energy sources that last 50,000 years that's not even Reaper in nature, ie, Prothean artifacts. And the Reapers are far, far more advanced than the Protheans. Heck, the energy sources don't even have to last fifty thousand years: Just a couple of centuries. Reapers travel faster than our ships. It would take them even less time to reach Andromeda than it would this cycle. As I've said before, if we can get there, they could get there. OK, I'll acknowledge the Prothean beacons but also say that they're basically in an idle state until activated. And all that fast travel from the Reapers surely consumes a lot of energy given that it uses eezo, something that degrades over time (per the Leviathan DLC). At the end of the day, though, this might be covered in some way in ME:A. Since we don't have the game yet everything we discuss are just theories. How about saving the complaints about "why" before seeing if they address it? Even I admit they probably won't but we still don't know. Beacons, Javik's stasis pod, the Conduit... But also recall that with the ODSY drives, the current cycle has the power to reach and colonize Andromeda. Without worrying about the breakdown of eezo.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 25, 2017 22:16:27 GMT
OK, I'll acknowledge the Prothean beacons but also say that they're basically in an idle state until activated. And all that fast travel from the Reapers surely consumes a lot of energy given that it uses eezo, something that degrades over time (per the Leviathan DLC). At the end of the day, though, this might be covered in some way in ME:A. Since we don't have the game yet everything we discuss are just theories. How about saving the complaints about "why" before seeing if they address it? Even I admit they probably won't but we still don't know. Beacons, Javik's stasis pod, the Conduit... But also recall that with the ODSY drives, the current cycle has the power to reach and colonize Andromeda. Without worrying about the breakdown of eezo. Granted. If we have that ability without several billion years, they probably do as well. Leviathans were around longer than any other race we know of so they probably could, too. That means something kept them out for some reason. Perhaps we'll discover what it was that made them stay away, though I find it unlikely. It would sort of be cool of a Remnant-maker (whatever race created these things) went to war with the Reapers and proved powerful enough to keep them out. It could explain why there's no overlord race in Andromeda and no Reapers. The Remnant is all that's left of that powerful race and nothing has yet to reach their levels of power.
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Post by Iakus on Jan 25, 2017 22:29:09 GMT
Beacons, Javik's stasis pod, the Conduit... But also recall that with the ODSY drives, the current cycle has the power to reach and colonize Andromeda. Without worrying about the breakdown of eezo. Granted. If we have that ability without several billion years, they probably do as well. Leviathans were around longer than any other race we know of so they probably could, too. That means something kept them out for some reason. Perhaps we'll discover what it was that made them stay away, though I find it unlikely. It would sort of be cool of a Remnant-maker (whatever race created these things) went to war with the Reapers and proved powerful enough to keep them out. It could explain why there's no overlord race in Andromeda and no Reapers. The Remnant is all that's left of that powerful race and nothing has yet to reach their levels of power. That is also true. IT could be the Leviathans were simply not curious, since they had everything they needed in the Milky Way. Or perhaps they did visit Andomeda, and died out, or left, or still live on in some regressed form (like the rakata in KOTOR, maybe?) I actually entertained a theory that MEA would begin by refugees finding a mysterious mass relay, older than any other, in some hidden corner of the Milky Way. One which led to Andromeda, it it was how the Leviathans survived the harvest, and occasionally still used it to keep tabs on the Milky Way. But now the Reapers have found it, and a bunch of ships pass through it while others sacrifice themselves to destroy this relay before the Reapers could follow. This was before we learned about the Andromeda Initiative, of course. Something in Andromeda being so powerful that even the memory of them is enough to keep the Reapers out of Andromeda would have to be...truly impressive. And what ended up happening to THEM?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 25, 2017 22:38:51 GMT
Iakus : In researching something else entirely, I ran across the Vigil conversation. It has some things to say about what Reapers do when they're not invading the Milky Way Galaxy. It also explains why they probably didn't go to Andromeda. Also, it makes sense. Shepard: How do the Reapers survive out in dark space? Vigil: We have only theories. The researchers have come to believe the Reapers enter prolonged states of inactivity to conserve energy. This allows them to survive the thousands and thousands of years it takes for organic civilization to rebuild itself. But in this state, they are vulnerable. This illustrates that the Reapers do not have infinite energy to go everywhere and do everything they might want to do. They have limits. Therefore, they sit in dark space and conserve energy for the hundreds of years they'll spend fighting organics. Then they recharge themselves, make sure the stage is set for the next cycle, and conserve energy. Hell, I can't think of an energy source that can survive for 50,000 years that isn't a celestial object. The Reapers are limited and that's why they have to find the real solution before moving onward - assuming they even cared to do so. As Vigil states, those were only theories. And later parts were proven to be inaccurate. Case in point, in ME2 we go to a Derelict Reaper 'corpse' that has managed to keep itself airborne and shielded for 37 million years despite being heavily damaged. That's 740 cycles worth of time using energy constantly without resupply.
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Post by themikefest on Jan 25, 2017 23:15:28 GMT
As an easter egg, Ryder finds a destroyed ship on a planet while exploring. The ship is a reaper, but Ryder doesn't know that. To him/her, its some ship that crashed a very long time ago. The player, who played the trilogy, would know its a reaper. Maybe the reaper was sent to the galaxy to monitor to see if the galaxy is good for harvesting. Don't know.
I doubt the above will be in the game, but......
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jan 26, 2017 0:37:25 GMT
Iakus : In researching something else entirely, I ran across the Vigil conversation. It has some things to say about what Reapers do when they're not invading the Milky Way Galaxy. It also explains why they probably didn't go to Andromeda. Also, it makes sense. Shepard: How do the Reapers survive out in dark space? Vigil: We have only theories. The researchers have come to believe the Reapers enter prolonged states of inactivity to conserve energy. This allows them to survive the thousands and thousands of years it takes for organic civilization to rebuild itself. But in this state, they are vulnerable. This illustrates that the Reapers do not have infinite energy to go everywhere and do everything they might want to do. They have limits. Therefore, they sit in dark space and conserve energy for the hundreds of years they'll spend fighting organics. Then they recharge themselves, make sure the stage is set for the next cycle, and conserve energy. Hell, I can't think of an energy source that can survive for 50,000 years that isn't a celestial object. The Reapers are limited and that's why they have to find the real solution before moving onward - assuming they even cared to do so. As Vigil states, those were only theories. And later parts were proven to be inaccurate. Case in point, in ME2 we go to a Derelict Reaper 'corpse' that has managed to keep itself airborne and shielded for 37 million years despite being heavily damaged. That's 740 cycles worth of time using energy constantly without resupply. Correct me if I am wrong but is not the Derelict Reaper in a star-system in the Milky-Way Galaxy in which it orbits a proto-planet or the proto-planets' star? Could not the half-beat and baked reaper be involuntarily taking matter and converting into energy for it use from either of those two? Kind of how a human breathes even if knocked unconscious.
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Post by Nightlife on Jan 26, 2017 0:50:54 GMT
I don't think the Reapers should be any kind of a threat in ME:A (been there, done that) - BUT - I would like a reference to them - maybe in a convo by someone from Andromeda. Or as themikefest said, Ryder happening upon a crashed Reaper or something - perhaps an ancient one. Or you find an ancient data storage device that references them and Ryder's like "They don't seem scary to me." I also like the idea that the Reapers tried to take over Andromeda in the past, but they failed. Perhaps the victors of that battle are these Remnants. I guess the new ultimate threat in Andromeda is the humans (and the other Ark beings) being wiped out completely by the new bad guys. I don't think the stakes can get as high as the Reaper threat was though. I guess that's okay.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 26, 2017 1:07:44 GMT
As Vigil states, those were only theories. And later parts were proven to be inaccurate. Case in point, in ME2 we go to a Derelict Reaper 'corpse' that has managed to keep itself airborne and shielded for 37 million years despite being heavily damaged. That's 740 cycles worth of time using energy constantly without resupply. Correct me if I am wrong but is not the Derelict Reaper in a star-system in the Milky-Way Galaxy in which it orbits a proto-planet or the proto-planets' star? Could not the half-beat and baked reaper be involuntarily taking matter and converting into energy for it use from either of those two? Kind of how a human breathes even if knocked unconscious. The Derelict Reaper is in the upper atmosphere of the brown dwarf Mnemosyne. Interesting theory, however the Reaper is using the mass effect to produce an envelope in the area around itself to protect it against the heat and wind which means there is nothing in that vacuum for it to convert into energy. That implies that the Reaper through nothing but its own heart is able to keep itself alive for that long. It maybe is using the sunlight from Thorne, but if that is enough to power the Reapers then there is no need for them to enter hibernation to preserve power.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jan 26, 2017 5:05:25 GMT
Correct me if I am wrong but is not the Derelict Reaper in a star-system in the Milky-Way Galaxy in which it orbits a proto-planet or the proto-planets' star? Could not the half-beat and baked reaper be involuntarily taking matter and converting into energy for it use from either of those two? Kind of how a human breathes even if knocked unconscious. The Derelict Reaper is in the upper atmosphere of the brown dwarf Mnemosyne. Interesting theory, however the Reaper is using the mass effect to produce an envelope in the area around itself to protect it against the heat and wind which means there is nothing in that vacuum for it to convert into energy. That implies that the Reaper through nothing but its own heart is able to keep itself alive for that long. It maybe is using the sunlight from Thorne, but if that is enough to power the Reapers then there is no need for them to enter hibernation to preserve power. Granted. It is true that there would be nothing in that vacuum around this nearly dead reaper should it have a field that powerful for it to feed on. It is also true that the Reaper would not be able to keep itself alive of its own shear willpower. These were not the intended messages I meant to convey and again my apologies. What I was trying to imply was that this derelict ship now would only have a very basic operating system level of function -like a Reaper version of an autonomous nervous system. The possibility may exist that the derelict Reaper can gather energy through the field while it is active. Maybe some sort or form of energy collection; more than likely in the form of Solar energy. The Reaper Ships are a rather dark color by default and maybe the Reapers' very hull can capture solar energy. Not to mention the Reapers who hibernate are the ones outside the galaxy where stars and solar energy are way lacking. Now. As to implying the Reaper has a heart and actually uses it: I will not be able to sleep tonight for in my dreams I will see a Reaper Heart beating over the Milky-Way Galaxy. Great my imagination is hitting overdrive -guess this simply must mean::::::: I. Need. A. Vacation.
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Post by Iakus on Jan 26, 2017 18:30:47 GMT
As an easter egg, Ryder finds a destroyed ship on a planet while exploring. The ship is a reaper, but Ryder doesn't know that. To him/her, its some ship that crashed a very long time ago. The player, who played the trilogy, would know its a reaper. Maybe the reaper was sent to the galaxy to monitor to see if the galaxy is good for harvesting. Don't know. I doubt the above will be in the game, but...... Liam: Do you hear that hum? Is it just me?
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