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Post by commandercryptarch on Jan 31, 2017 22:44:05 GMT
Where do you live... lesbian land or something? Clearly Cora isn't a lesbian....... "Lesbian land"...lol No. I actually live in a pretty conservative area and I have probably seen like one openly lesbian woman. But short hair cuts in women are pretty common ,from young to old.It 's just trendy I suppose. The women with those hair cuts are usually very well dressed. Actually a girl in a store accross the street has exactly Cora 's haircut and it looks cool on her. Men with long hair are not considered "gay" by the public so I don't see why the opposite is an issue. Edit : I saw it was just sarcasm hahahah
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Post by Cyonan on Jan 31, 2017 23:06:01 GMT
Men with long hair are not considered "gay" by the public so I don't see why the opposite is an issue. This largely depends on what the style is attached to. Where I live at least men with longer hair would be more likely to be seen as a metalhead because that's what that style is attributed to. Sometimes a hippie, but they aren't terribly common around here. Odds probably are that short hair on a woman got attributed to being a lesbian because a lot of lesbians had short hair for whatever reason. It's kind of stupid how it works like that, but it does.
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Post by Natashina on Feb 1, 2017 0:09:24 GMT
I don't think we have to worry about all of the romances being for "dudebros." BioWare loves messing with their fans, especially with how obsessive their fanbase can be about the romances. I wouldn't read too much into it.
If anything, DA showed that BioWare is trying to write good romances for female (or GIRL*) players as well as for the guys. Also, try to remember that straight guys play these female PC romances too. They don't just play the lesbian romances either. For BioWare, their goal is to write well-rounded characters. They write the character first, then see if the character is fit for a romance, ect.
Edit: With Dorian, they made him gay because Gaider thought it would be a good reason for the character to leave his home. YMMV if it was well executed or not. Gaider did say that Dorian was written before they decided to make him a romance.
Finally, BW has come a long way since ME3. It could be argued that they dropped the ball for straight lady romances (which I do agree with,) but the last DLC for the game came out about 5 years ago. They've heard the reactions from the female and male players that didn't care for the lack of romances for straight women. As well as some of the quality; see: Jacob in ME3. Or things like the way they handled Javik in ME3 Citadel if you were an unromanced FemShep and picked the "wild party" option. Ugh.
I have confidence that they are going to keep that in mind going forward. If the romances turn out to be crap, it won't bother me that much. It wouldn't be the first time that I've done a "nomance" in a BW game because I didn't care for the options. <shrug>
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Post by bigbad on Feb 1, 2017 0:27:14 GMT
Finally, BW has come a long way since ME3. It could be argued that they dropped the ball for straight lady romances (which I do agree with,)... While acknowledging that I too am a guy IRL, I must disagree. I think the Femshep/Garrus romance was probably the best in the game, perhaps the best in the entire series.
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Post by Natashina on Feb 1, 2017 0:36:08 GMT
Finally, BW has come a long way since ME3. It could be argued that they dropped the ball for straight lady romances (which I do agree with,)... While acknowledging that I too am a guy IRL, I must disagree. I think the Femshep/Garrus romance was probably the best in the game, perhaps the best in the entire series. You're choices as a straight woman were: Garrus, who was not to everyone's taste. That romance you had to start in ME2 (makes sense and Garrus is my favorite) The other was Kaidan, who could be dead on Virmire and that some consider very boring. If a newcomer didn't know that Kaidan and Garrus were the only two options, they were SOL. Then there is a single FemShep waking up next to Javik after a "wild" party. It's heavily implied that they had sex, since Javik says, "At least there is one thing primitive are good at." He could be trolling Shep, but the way she says, "Not another word," indicates they did just that. Without the player having imput as to whether or not they do this. It wasn't very funny and in fact, some players find that insulting. It's one thing to choose to (probably) have sex with Javik, it's another when the decision is made for you. ME3 wasn't great in that department.
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Post by blastoandbubin on Feb 1, 2017 1:33:42 GMT
I'm less concerned about this than I might be if DAI hadn't had the variety it did. Bioware obviously knew about the extreme blowback in fandom over Femshep's hilariously depressing options in the romance department, and DAI seemed designed as a bit of a mea culpa for the straight guys having been so favored in ME3. I'd be very surprised if the writers for Andromeda weren't trying to make things more even-handed this time around and taking some cues from the Dragon Age team, if only to avoid another backlash (remember the chart someone actually made showing Mshep's options vs Fsheps? lol, people were not happy.)
And they've talked a lot about trying to make the romances more organic and natural, so I'm sure some will be more serious and some will be silly flings, but I highly doubt they're all going to be a raunchy frat boy brofest in terms of tone.
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Post by steamz on Feb 1, 2017 1:47:16 GMT
I do have some concern over romancing, (more questions than concern) But my one main concern is that Bioware is taking too much of a frat boy, dude bro approach to romancing. That one dev saying "the banging is pretty good" making that the main focus of romancing just seems immature. The Salarian pilot also seemed to make a pretty big deal about using the captains quarters for sex. I just hope they understand that their main audience isn't 18 year old jocks. I also wonder just how many romance options their will be, I think I heard one dev say their will be romance options outside of your own crew (not sure about that). I just hope the writing is good and they don't take an immature approach to romancing. who do you think their main audience is? i can guarantee you their primary audience is the same as any other AAA studio. bioware attracts a very specific type of crowd on the internet. a crowd that seems to live outside the world that actually spins, but they're not indicative of the several million people who purchase their games. and i already know there are people who will feel some type of way about this post, but i'm not so sure i give a fuck. soz, bros.
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Post by Natashina on Feb 1, 2017 2:11:41 GMT
Actually, the average age of a gamer is 35 years old according to the ESRB. 41% of those players are female. www.theesa.com/about-esa/industry-facts/BioWare has bore that in mind with the most recent games. BioWare's fans aren't any different than most game fans really. They tend to get crazy and sometimes focus on one specific point. For some it's romances, for some it's the gameplay. It's all the same thing.
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Post by Crim on Feb 1, 2017 3:01:41 GMT
The negativity over Cora 's hair I see almost everywhere is just way much of an overreaction. It's funny how brain works ,if u guys think about it it's all about the hair. If someone hates a haircut or associates a certain haircut with things the don't like,then the person with the haircut becomes aitomatically ugly. I bet if Cora had a blonde ponytail like Sarah, a bun like Ashley which implies she has long hair or the same side part but longer than the shoulders then NO ONE would complain. They'd say she is one of the hottest squadmates ever. And they keep saying it is boyish...When was the last time anyone stepped out the house and actually saw a guy sporting that haircut? I have seen some but they were mostly alternative looking (goth for example or ...a football player? ) but it is certainly not an average boyish haircut. On the other hand , I see plenty of women with similar haircuts everyday almost. It's way more common in women and than in men. Edit:Added comment. Where do you live... lesbian land or something? That sounds nice, most of the time it feels like this tho...
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Post by stealthfox94 on Feb 1, 2017 3:22:33 GMT
Actually, the average age of a gamer is 35 years old according to the ESRB. 41% of those players are female. www.theesa.com/about-esa/industry-facts/BioWare has bore that in mind with the most recent games. BioWare's fans aren't any different than most game fans really. They tend to get crazy and sometimes focus on one specific point. For some it's romances, for some it's the gameplay. It's all the same thing. I find that a little hard to believe, what are they classifying as "gamers"?
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Post by Mihura on Feb 1, 2017 3:42:28 GMT
Where do you live... lesbian land or something? That sounds nice, most of the time it feels like this tho... Sad that I know this all to well and it is really difficult when they flirt with you. Also gamers are people that play games, that is it. If I play only Fifa or LoL I am still a gamer, the same way that people that play candycrush and wat not.
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Post by stealthfox94 on Feb 1, 2017 3:59:01 GMT
That sounds nice, most of the time it feels like this tho... Sad that I know this all to well and it is really difficult when they flirt with you. Also gamers are people that play games, that is it. If I play only Fifa or LoL I am still a gamer, the same way that people that play candycrush and wat not. IDK I went through a phase when the only games I played where League, COD and sports games. Not sure I would have really considered myself a gamer back then.
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Post by Elsariel on Feb 1, 2017 4:04:44 GMT
Sad that I know this all to well and it is really difficult when they flirt with you. Also gamers are people that play games, that is it. If I play only Fifa or LoL I am still a gamer, the same way that people that play candycrush and wat not. IDK I went through a phase when the only games I played where League, COD and sports games. Not sure I would have really considered myself a gamer back then. Why not? I would consider that a gamer. If you play video games regularly, I think that's considered being a gamer. Now, there is a difference between hardcore gamers vs casual gamers but they're all still gamers as far as I can tell.
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Post by Mihura on Feb 1, 2017 4:07:45 GMT
Sad that I know this all to well and it is really difficult when they flirt with you. Also gamers are people that play games, that is it. If I play only Fifa or LoL I am still a gamer, the same way that people that play candycrush and wat not. IDK I went through a phase when the only games I played where League, COD and sports games. Not sure I would have really considered myself a gamer back then. Well if you assume that than there is a lot less players than you think, of any gender. Hardcore gamers are a rare breed really.
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Post by stealthfox94 on Feb 1, 2017 4:20:40 GMT
IDK I went through a phase when the only games I played where League, COD and sports games. Not sure I would have really considered myself a gamer back then. Why not? I would consider that a gamer. If you play video games regularly, I think that's considered being a gamer. Now, there is a difference between hardcore gamers vs casual gamers but they're all still gamers as far as I can tell. Fair point although I think most gamers would still classify me as a casual gamer.
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Post by steamz on Feb 1, 2017 4:57:36 GMT
Actually, the average age of a gamer is 35 years old according to the ESRB. 41% of those players are female. www.theesa.com/about-esa/industry-facts/BioWare has bore that in mind with the most recent games. BioWare's fans aren't any different than most game fans really. They tend to get crazy and sometimes focus on one specific point. For some it's romances, for some it's the gameplay. It's all the same thing. I find that a little hard to believe, what are they classifying as "gamers"? if you're wondering whether people playing candy crush and farmville on their iphones are included, the answer is yes.
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Post by bigbad on Feb 1, 2017 11:46:28 GMT
While acknowledging that I too am a guy IRL, I must disagree. I think the Femshep/Garrus romance was probably the best in the game, perhaps the best in the entire series. You're choices as a straight woman were: Garrus, who was not to everyone's taste. That romance you had to start in ME2 (makes sense and Garrus is my favorite) The other was Kaidan, who could be dead on Virmire and that some consider very boring. If a newcomer didn't know that Kaidan and Garrus were the only two options, they were SOL. Then there is a single FemShep waking up next to Javik after a "wild" party. It's heavily implied that they had sex, since Javik says, "At least there is one thing primitive are good at." He could be trolling Shep, but the way she says, "Not another word," indicates they did just that. Without the player having imput as to whether or not they do this. It wasn't very funny and in fact, some players find that insulting. It's one thing to choose to (probably) have sex with Javik, it's another when the decision is made for you. ME3 wasn't great in that department. That's fair.
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Post by Natashina on Feb 1, 2017 12:32:23 GMT
steamz I've been hearing that for years and it sounds as silly now as it did when I first heard that around 4-5 years ago. "It doesn't count if it's a mobile or causal game," as well as "Well, most of those women in that ESA statistic play only those kinds of games." My husband is the one that plays Candy Crush and Diamond Digger and all of that crap. Never payed a dime for any of it. I don't get the fascination anyhow. I stick with my AAA and occasional indie stuff, except for a bit of Plants vs Zombies every once in awhile. The automatic assumption that only girls play mobile/"causal" games and never touch AAA or indie stuff is pretty out of date. The same assumption goes that men don't play those games either. My husband likes both his Candy Crush stuff and AAA games. We're both excited for the upcoming GoW (which has been delayed by a year irrc.) Besides, when did puzzle games stop counting as gaming? It's like if someone only preferred Tetris or Breakout they aren't playing "real" games. Those games are just as real as any RPG or other big budget titles or indie titles. Causal shouldn't mean lesser. Besides, think of it as a gateway. Folks of all ages can start by playing Candy Crush or something along those lines and then they can take suggestions on bigger and frankly better games. Now, do you mean folks that gobble up every bit of gaming news and latest info out there? As well as the hardcore completionist? The "serious" gamers? That's another matter and one that's not taken into account when they do that poll. So we can guess, but we can't know for certain if less women are into the "gaming culture" or "less hardcore" than men. It's up to the company to decide how they want to approach that information. The Entertainment Software Association (ESA) is the site that companies and publishers trust when it comes to gathering statistics. I grew up on video games and it was only within the last 20 years that this type of mentality came up. Same with "girls don't play hardcore games." No one gave a crap when I was a kid if a girl played Conta or if a boy played as Princess Peach in Super Mario 2. It's odd to me, but hey, whatever floats your boat.
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Post by Elsariel on Feb 1, 2017 14:42:01 GMT
I consider myself a casual gamer, even though I play AAA titles. "Hardcore", to me, means hours and hours of dedicated playing consistently. I have a full-time job, a husband, as well as a toddler so I eke time to play whenever I can manage it. I can only manage maybe two or three playthroughs of a game like DA or ME and then I'm done... and it takes me months.
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Post by GannayevOfDreams on Feb 1, 2017 15:39:31 GMT
I don't know many working adults that could ever be anything other than casual. We've got too much shit to do.
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Post by fialka on Feb 1, 2017 16:18:17 GMT
steamz I've been hearing that for years and it sounds as silly now as it did when I first heard that around 4-5 years ago. "It doesn't count if it's a mobile or causal game," as well as "Well, most of those women in that ESA statistic play only those kinds of games." My husband is the one that plays Candy Crush and Diamond Digger and all of that crap. Never payed a dime for any of it. I don't get the fascination anyhow. I stick with my AAA and occasional indie stuff, except for a bit of Plants vs Zombies every once in awhile. The automatic assumption that only girls play mobile/"causal" games and never touch AAA or indie stuff is pretty out of date. The same assumption goes that men don't play those games either. My husband likes both his Candy Crush stuff and AAA games. We're both excited for the upcoming GoW (which has been delayed by a year irrc.) Besides, when did puzzle games stop counting as gaming? It's like if someone only preferred Tetris or Breakout they aren't playing "real" games. Those games are just as real as any RPG or other big budget titles or indie titles. Causal shouldn't mean lesser. Besides, think of it as a gateway. Folks of all ages can start by playing Candy Crush or something along those lines and then they can take suggestions on bigger and frankly better games. Now, do you mean folks that gobble up every bit of gaming news and latest info out there? As well as the hardcore completionist? The "serious" gamers? That's another matter and one that's not taken into account when they do that poll. So we can guess, but we can't know for certain if less women are into the "gaming culture" or "less hardcore" than men. It's up to the company to decide how they want to approach that information. The Entertainment Software Association (ESA) is the site that companies and publishers trust when it comes to gathering statistics. I grew up on video games and it was only within the last 20 years that this type of mentality came up. Same with "girls don't play hardcore games." No one gave a crap when I was a kid if a girl played Conta or if a boy played as Princess Peach in Super Mario 2. It's odd to me, but hey, whatever floats your boat. This. If anything I'm a way more "hardcore" gamer than my boyfriend is, and even then gaming is something I do after taking care of the kid/house/errands/part time job/work I do at home/volunteering/political stuff. My involvement in the forums is only possible because I'm typically doing other stuff on my computer at the same time. Still. my boyfriend's time is limited to mobile games and the occasional Overwatch match because it's all the time and energy he has to devote to gaming, and has other hobbies he prefers besides. Also: I never played a single video game (outside of computer hour at my school and the occasional Super Mario run at a friend's house as a kid) until I was in my mid-twenties. And it was RPGs with cool stories and female protagonists that got me interested, since before I was aware of their existence I thought games for adults were mostly about dudes (or busty hot chicks) running around shooting stuff. I realize that's an unfair stereotype, but it was a common view for non-gamers about the franchise then. Make games women want to play, and we'll start buying them. Make games with mature, compelling story lines, and older people will buy them. Which means more money for the gaming industry, which means more games. And a more diverse audience means different kind of games get made. A win-win, no? To bring this back to Andromeda: yeah, I see some of the promo, the younger cast of characters, and it being a reboot where you need not have played the trilogy, as a way to market the game to a new, younger, audience. I don't think this is necessarily a bad thing. Young doesn't necessarily mean stupid or shallow, after all. Meanwhile many gamers are older, because they started playing in the eighties and nineties and never stopped, and some are just getting into it now because free mobile games exposed them to gaming for the first time. And you're not gonna win them over with vapid story lines, shallow characters, and sex jokes. Fortunately I don't think Bioware, whatever other flaws they might have, could be criticized for leaning toward those. I'm confident they wouldn't start now.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2017 16:30:59 GMT
Finally, BW has come a long way since ME3. It could be argued that they dropped the ball for straight lady romances (which I do agree with,)... While acknowledging that I too am a guy IRL, I must disagree. I think the Femshep/Garrus romance was probably the best in the game, perhaps the best in the entire series. I was also surprised to see this remark, because to date, save for kotor2 where every character seemed to crash on the Exile, and the Atton-Bao-Disciple trio was a total sausage fest, ME2/3 was the absolute best game to play with a female pc between Thane, Garrus and Kaiden in terms of pleasant personalities, looks, variety and plot intergration of the potential male LIs. Overall, male characters were much more numerous and far stronger written than in DA:O and Awakening, and way more joy to have in the party, talk to and play with. Thane, Garrus, Kaiden, Mordin, Zaeed, Jacob and even the two Krogans certainly more real, manly, grownup and pleasant characters for me than Alistair, Zevran and Anders. Sten and Nathaniel I've liked more, but they felt more tongue in cheek, and way less cool than the ME male cast. ME2-3 where the kind of males whose attentions is flattering, Dragon Age one was more on the embarassing/oh, that's cute side.. An LI in a video game is first and foremost a character, and imo, ME2/3 did good on its males of all species. I hope MEA follows that suit.
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Post by Panda on Feb 1, 2017 18:55:57 GMT
I distinct gamer from non based on if gaming is hobby for them or something just to pass time with. Level of passion I guess and involment of the games, fandoms amd so on. But it's not something easily measured either ^^;
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Post by steamz on Feb 1, 2017 19:13:58 GMT
steamz I've been hearing that for years and it sounds as silly now as it did when I first heard that around 4-5 years ago. "It doesn't count if it's a mobile or causal game," as well as "Well, most of those women in that ESA statistic play only those kinds of games." My husband is the one that plays Candy Crush and Diamond Digger and all of that crap. Never payed a dime for any of it. I don't get the fascination anyhow. I stick with my AAA and occasional indie stuff, except for a bit of Plants vs Zombies every once in awhile. The automatic assumption that only girls play mobile/"causal" games and never touch AAA or indie stuff is pretty out of date. The same assumption goes that men don't play those games either. My husband likes both his Candy Crush stuff and AAA games. We're both excited for the upcoming GoW (which has been delayed by a year irrc.) Besides, when did puzzle games stop counting as gaming? It's like if someone only preferred Tetris or Breakout they aren't playing "real" games. Those games are just as real as any RPG or other big budget titles or indie titles. Causal shouldn't mean lesser. Besides, think of it as a gateway. Folks of all ages can start by playing Candy Crush or something along those lines and then they can take suggestions on bigger and frankly better games. Now, do you mean folks that gobble up every bit of gaming news and latest info out there? As well as the hardcore completionist? The "serious" gamers? That's another matter and one that's not taken into account when they do that poll. So we can guess, but we can't know for certain if less women are into the "gaming culture" or "less hardcore" than men. It's up to the company to decide how they want to approach that information. The Entertainment Software Association (ESA) is the site that companies and publishers trust when it comes to gathering statistics. I grew up on video games and it was only within the last 20 years that this type of mentality came up. Same with "girls don't play hardcore games." No one gave a crap when I was a kid if a girl played Conta or if a boy played as Princess Peach in Super Mario 2. It's odd to me, but hey, whatever floats your boat. that's a nice anecdote i guess. and there's nothing wrong with counting puzzle games and phone games as games, but misrepresenting statistics and pretending they apply to AAA games in order to create a narrative is goofy. i'll bet 1000 large bucks that the people buying call of duty aren't mostly middle aged men and 40% women. none of you would take that bet. not sure if you're the same mod who replied to one of my other posts with a wall of text, but if you are, you do a lot of pulling things out of thin air and putting words in people's mouths. should i start doing that? will it make my teeth white or something?
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Post by stealthfox94 on Feb 1, 2017 19:24:55 GMT
steamz I've been hearing that for years and it sounds as silly now as it did when I first heard that around 4-5 years ago. "It doesn't count if it's a mobile or causal game," as well as "Well, most of those women in that ESA statistic play only those kinds of games." My husband is the one that plays Candy Crush and Diamond Digger and all of that crap. Never payed a dime for any of it. I don't get the fascination anyhow. I stick with my AAA and occasional indie stuff, except for a bit of Plants vs Zombies every once in awhile. The automatic assumption that only girls play mobile/"causal" games and never touch AAA or indie stuff is pretty out of date. The same assumption goes that men don't play those games either. My husband likes both his Candy Crush stuff and AAA games. We're both excited for the upcoming GoW (which has been delayed by a year irrc.) Besides, when did puzzle games stop counting as gaming? It's like if someone only preferred Tetris or Breakout they aren't playing "real" games. Those games are just as real as any RPG or other big budget titles or indie titles. Causal shouldn't mean lesser. Besides, think of it as a gateway. Folks of all ages can start by playing Candy Crush or something along those lines and then they can take suggestions on bigger and frankly better games. Now, do you mean folks that gobble up every bit of gaming news and latest info out there? As well as the hardcore completionist? The "serious" gamers? That's another matter and one that's not taken into account when they do that poll. So we can guess, but we can't know for certain if less women are into the "gaming culture" or "less hardcore" than men. It's up to the company to decide how they want to approach that information. The Entertainment Software Association (ESA) is the site that companies and publishers trust when it comes to gathering statistics. I grew up on video games and it was only within the last 20 years that this type of mentality came up. Same with "girls don't play hardcore games." No one gave a crap when I was a kid if a girl played Conta or if a boy played as Princess Peach in Super Mario 2. It's odd to me, but hey, whatever floats your boat. Not trying to say that only girls play mobile games but I would imagine that the male/female ration of mobile games is closer than it is with AAA games, I'd also imagine the average age is higher. Just a reasonably educated guess. Also not sure why you seem so upset.
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