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Post by straykat on Aug 12, 2016 16:23:06 GMT
I think DAI sucks, but I'd still say to ignore Biscuit Okay Stray, you don't like it. *sigh* I want to love you, I really do, but sometimes you make it so hard. lol. No, no.. I'm mostly agreeing with you. I'd say to ignore Biscuit because of his bias. I liked every Bioware game up to DAI. I don't hate it out of bias. I liked DA2 and ME3, after all...which get most of the hate.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2016 16:27:05 GMT
Okay Stray, you don't like it. *sigh* I want to love you, I really do, but sometimes you make it so hard. lol. No, no.. I'm mostly agreeing with you. I'd say to ignore Biscuit because of his bias. I liked every Bioware game up to DAI. I don't hate it out of bias. I liked DA2 and ME3, after all...which get most of the hate. Oh I know, you genuinely dislike it. I know you'll have given it a fair shot and will have wanted to like it. I'm lucky cause I do, it'd be awful if I didn't. Not that I'm obsessed with BioWare and have no life or anything.....
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Post by corpusdei on Aug 12, 2016 16:28:21 GMT
I'll probably wait until it's in the Origin bargain bin... I only just bought DA:I a coupla weeks back since it was only about £15 - not actually got around to playing it yet. ... unless it gets totally panned by TotalBiscuit, ZeroPunctuation and/or PC Gamer (especially PC Gamer since they seem to love everything BioWare - if they pan it, it'll have to be really bad). Don't pay too much attention to TB. I've been following him for 6 years and he has a bias against Bioware if anything. He loved Origins and Jade Empire, but after only 10 hrs of DA2 is happy to announce to the world it's a pile of shit. In reality it takes that long to get going, and when played with Legacy DLC is not too shabby at all. I really enjoy it. He also judges the entirety of ME3 by 'pick a colour, any colour' and the day one DLC. Valid points of course, but in doing so he disregards 40 hours of pretty good gaming. Then for DAI he had, for many consecutive weeks, guests who said they were enjoying the game (including Jesse and Dodger) but loudly declares again and again that it's crap. As if his word is god, while Jesse just shuts up cause you know he liked it. TBH it'll probably be PC Gamer that'll swing it for me, I wouldn't have got DA:I at all but they gave it an 85% (mainly for the characters I suspect) so when it was in the bargain bin I figured I might as well. The main problem I had with DA2 was asset re-use; I could never remember where anywhere was because everywhere felt so similar - then when I played the Witcher 2 shortly afterwards, where every location felt hand-crafted and unique, I realised how bad DA2 really was and it sort of soured me to the game ever since. I should probably give DA:2 another shot at some point but there are just sooooo many games (and there's just been a new Hearthstone expansion).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2016 16:35:37 GMT
Don't pay too much attention to TB. I've been following him for 6 years and he has a bias against Bioware if anything. He loved Origins and Jade Empire, but after only 10 hrs of DA2 is happy to announce to the world it's a pile of shit. In reality it takes that long to get going, and when played with Legacy DLC is not too shabby at all. I really enjoy it. He also judges the entirety of ME3 by 'pick a colour, any colour' and the day one DLC. Valid points of course, but in doing so he disregards 40 hours of pretty good gaming. Then for DAI he had, for many consecutive weeks, guests who said they were enjoying the game (including Jesse and Dodger) but loudly declares again and again that it's crap. As if his word is god, while Jesse just shuts up cause you know he liked it. TBH it'll probably be PC Gamer that'll swing it for me, I wouldn't have got DA:I at all but they gave it an 85% (mainly for the characters I suspect) so when it was in the bargain bin I figured I might as well. The main problem I had with DA2 was asset re-use; I could never remember where anywhere was because everywhere felt so similar - then when I played the Witcher 2 shortly afterwards, where every location felt hand-crafted and unique, I realised how bad DA2 really was and it sort of soured me to the game ever since. I should probably give DA:2 another shot at some point but there are just sooooo many games (and there's just been a new Hearthstone expansion). I just try to remember they only had what....18 months? They asked for another year but the suits said no. It was when I played MotA and Legacy that I realised what DA2 could've been given more time, they have great environments and new assets. And the companions make it for me, they're awesome.
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Post by Cyonan on Aug 12, 2016 16:41:24 GMT
I'll probably wait until it's in the Origin bargain bin... I only just bought DA:I a coupla weeks back since it was only about £15 - not actually got around to playing it yet. ... unless it gets totally panned by TotalBiscuit, ZeroPunctuation and/or PC Gamer (especially PC Gamer since they seem to love everything BioWare - if they pan it, it'll have to be really bad). Don't pay too much attention to TB. I've been following him for 6 years and he has a bias against Bioware if anything. He loved Origins and Jade Empire, but after only 10 hrs of DA2 is happy to announce to the world it's a pile of shit. In reality it takes that long to get going, and when played with Legacy DLC is not too shabby at all. I really enjoy it. He also judges the entirety of ME3 by 'pick a colour, any colour' and the day one DLC. Valid points of course, but in doing so he disregards 40 hours of pretty good gaming. Then for DAI he had, for many consecutive weeks, guests who said they were enjoying the game (including Jesse and Dodger) but loudly declares again and again that it's crap. As if his word is god, while Jesse just shuts up cause you know he liked it. Personally I prefer primarily watching TB just for the technical side of things of the PC port of a game, which he'll go into great detail about usually. Honestly I feel like reviews and videos that amount to "this is my opinion on the game" are becoming increasingly obsolete in a world of let's plays and streams. Watching a video on TB talking about how he doesn't like DA2 means he's going to focus on the negative and the video will have a natural bias towards that(even if you try to avoid it, it's going to be there for 99.99% of people making videos). Meanwhile somebody like Jesse is just recording the gameplay with commentary and not making many cuts, so I get a far more pure view of what the game actually is by watching his let's plays over somebody else's reviews. The only thing that reviews can typically catch is stuff that doesn't crop up until later in the game, unless you're going to wait a month or more for the let's player to release that many videos to get into the mid-late game of the game.
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Post by ToLazy4Name on Aug 12, 2016 16:42:49 GMT
>actually relying on reviewers instead of just watching gameplay and forming your own opinion
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Post by themikefest on Aug 12, 2016 17:14:15 GMT
I think DAI sucks, but I'd still say to ignore Biscuit I enjoyed the game. With the biscuit thing. I had one the other morning when I went to McDonalds for breakfast
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Post by straykat on Aug 12, 2016 17:15:50 GMT
I think DAI sucks, but I'd still say to ignore Biscuit I enjoyed the game. With the biscuit thing. I had one the other morning when I went to McDonalds for breakfast Yeah, still makes no sense to me. We seem to like everything else about equally
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Post by Panda on Aug 12, 2016 17:32:51 GMT
The only thing I find a little strange is people who are fans of ME3 say they'll get this. I'm a fan of ME3 too and not a hater.. but it's precisely why I question this game. It seems to be made for people who hated it. Not liked it. Like they're trying a big "redo". When I never asked for one, personally. Personally I see ME:A as Mass Effect DAI, I feel like that's general direction Bioware is wanting to go with their games. Open world and focus on exploration. I actually liked ME3 as well- other than endings and DAI is my least fav DA game so I'm not too happy with direction- but still I value Bioware's games pretty high so even if ME:A goes on DAI's direction.. its probably going to be good game. Not as good as previous ME games, but good still.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2016 18:14:29 GMT
Don't pay too much attention to TB. I've been following him for 6 years and he has a bias against Bioware if anything. He loved Origins and Jade Empire, but after only 10 hrs of DA2 is happy to announce to the world it's a pile of shit. In reality it takes that long to get going, and when played with Legacy DLC is not too shabby at all. I really enjoy it. He also judges the entirety of ME3 by 'pick a colour, any colour' and the day one DLC. Valid points of course, but in doing so he disregards 40 hours of pretty good gaming. Then for DAI he had, for many consecutive weeks, guests who said they were enjoying the game (including Jesse and Dodger) but loudly declares again and again that it's crap. As if his word is god, while Jesse just shuts up cause you know he liked it. Personally I prefer primarily watching TB just for the technical side of things of the PC port of a game, which he'll go into great detail about usually. Honestly I feel like reviews and videos that amount to "this is my opinion on the game" are becoming increasingly obsolete in a world of let's plays and streams. Watching a video on TB talking about how he doesn't like DA2 means he's going to focus on the negative and the video will have a natural bias towards that(even if you try to avoid it, it's going to be there for 99.99% of people making videos). Meanwhile somebody like Jesse is just recording the gameplay with commentary and not making many cuts, so I get a far more pure view of what the game actually is by watching his let's plays over somebody else's reviews. The only thing that reviews can typically catch is stuff that doesn't crop up until later in the game, unless you're going to wait a month or more for the let's player to release that many videos to get into the mid-late game of the game. He's very good at getting under the hood of a game, that's true. And many pieces of his commentary about the games industry and games media are spot on and need to be said. So I have respect for him, but he also does my head in sometimes. At first I was influenced by reviewers, especially on Youtube. But as I started to play the games myself and disagree with them, I've stopped watching them and take what they say with a pinch of salt. Nowadays I watch Cry or Jesse play a game for a while to judge if I want to buy it. Then stop watching, play it myself, then pick up their videos where I left off and see how they played it. It's a much more accurate indicator of whether I'm going to like it tbh.
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Post by Panda on Aug 12, 2016 18:21:25 GMT
Personally I prefer primarily watching TB just for the technical side of things of the PC port of a game, which he'll go into great detail about usually. Honestly I feel like reviews and videos that amount to "this is my opinion on the game" are becoming increasingly obsolete in a world of let's plays and streams. Watching a video on TB talking about how he doesn't like DA2 means he's going to focus on the negative and the video will have a natural bias towards that(even if you try to avoid it, it's going to be there for 99.99% of people making videos). Meanwhile somebody like Jesse is just recording the gameplay with commentary and not making many cuts, so I get a far more pure view of what the game actually is by watching his let's plays over somebody else's reviews. The only thing that reviews can typically catch is stuff that doesn't crop up until later in the game, unless you're going to wait a month or more for the let's player to release that many videos to get into the mid-late game of the game. He's very good at getting under the hood of a game, that's true. And many pieces of his commentary about the games industry and games media are spot on and need to be said. So I have respect for him, but he also does my head in sometimes. At first I was influenced by reviewers, especially on Youtube. But as I started to play the games myself and disagree with them, I've stopped watching them and take what they say with a pinch of salt. Nowadays I watch Cry or Jesse play a game for a while to judge if I want to buy it. Then stop watching, play it myself, then pick up their videos where I left off and see how they played it. It's a much more accurate indicator of whether I'm going to like it tbh. I love Cry Uh, I mean when you know better what you like as well you get more out of reviews. Maybe reviewer is saying this one thing makes game bad- but maybe you actually like that thing (for example art style, game feature) or it isn't that important for you. Although game reviews often focus on things I don't value in games that much, they can still give some useful information.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2016 18:28:32 GMT
He's very good at getting under the hood of a game, that's true. And many pieces of his commentary about the games industry and games media are spot on and need to be said. So I have respect for him, but he also does my head in sometimes. At first I was influenced by reviewers, especially on Youtube. But as I started to play the games myself and disagree with them, I've stopped watching them and take what they say with a pinch of salt. Nowadays I watch Cry or Jesse play a game for a while to judge if I want to buy it. Then stop watching, play it myself, then pick up their videos where I left off and see how they played it. It's a much more accurate indicator of whether I'm going to like it tbh. I love Cry Uh, I mean when you know better what you like as well you get more out of reviews. Maybe reviewer is saying this one thing makes game bad- but maybe you actually like that thing (for example art style, game feature) or it isn't that important for you. Although game reviews often focus on things I don't value in games that much, they can still give some useful information. I love Cry too. A bit too much. I wanna cuddle him till he bursts.
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Post by dalinne on Aug 12, 2016 18:57:38 GMT
I love Cry Uh, I mean when you know better what you like as well you get more out of reviews. Maybe reviewer is saying this one thing makes game bad- but maybe you actually like that thing (for example art style, game feature) or it isn't that important for you. Although game reviews often focus on things I don't value in games that much, they can still give some useful information. I love Cry too. A bit too much. I wanna cuddle him till he bursts. Here! Another Cryaotic fan! Attachment Deleted
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Post by Panda on Aug 12, 2016 19:14:29 GMT
Hahaa, nice to find fellow Cry fans! He's my favorite gaming youtuber, but it seems like he's not that talked about (compared to Pewdie, Mark and Jack) so I wasn't expecting seeing fellow fans
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Post by Larry-3 on Aug 12, 2016 20:51:11 GMT
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Post by fchopin on Aug 12, 2016 21:19:16 GMT
I will wait until we have real information about the game before anything. Same, i will wait for more info.
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Post by Tonymac on Aug 12, 2016 21:29:51 GMT
I don't really care about them shutting down the boards - That's just BioWare doing the same thing they did when the boards were ablaze after ME3 released. This is their final denial.
For my own learning experience, once bitten, twice shy. Game reviewers are told what to say and are not reliable in my opinion. I will wait until I see real reviews and gameplay from gamers.
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Post by The Biotic Trebuchet on Aug 12, 2016 21:30:59 GMT
This remind me that Turian at the entrace of the Citadel back on ME2 I love your avatar. Who doesn't? Anyway, where's the ryncol?!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2016 22:10:45 GMT
I'll probably wait until it's in the Origin bargain bin... I only just bought DA:I a coupla weeks back since it was only about £15 - not actually got around to playing it yet. ... unless it gets totally panned by TotalBiscuit, ZeroPunctuation and/or PC Gamer (especially PC Gamer since they seem to love everything BioWare - if they pan it, it'll have to be really bad). Don't pay too much attention to TB. I've been following him for 6 years and he has a bias against Bioware if anything. He loved Origins and Jade Empire, but after only 10 hrs of DA2 is happy to announce to the world it's a pile of shit. In reality it takes that long to get going, and when played with Legacy DLC is not too shabby at all. I really enjoy it. He also judges the entirety of ME3 by 'pick a colour, any colour' and the day one DLC. Valid points of course, but in doing so he disregards 40 hours of pretty good gaming. Then for DAI he had, for many consecutive weeks, guests who said they were enjoying the game (including Jesse and Dodger) but loudly declares again and again that it's crap. As if his word is god, while Jesse just shuts up cause you know he liked it. Uh, the thing TB is against is the "nickel-and-diming" aspect of the DLCs, especially if data-miners find certain content that is supposed to be in the game but "are not available due to time constraints." It gives the false impression that BioWare purposely cut out relevant content in the game for additional cash. ME3 felt like a big offender with Javik, Leviathan, and possibly Omega. Flawed analogy, but here is how I viewed Mass Effect 3. Imagine ME3 as this highly sought after meal that you wanted to try out, and the ending is the proverbial turd that you found in the bottom of your dish. You may have spent a lot of time enjoying the food, but the turd will always taint your experience (i.e. Getting sick from the poorly prepared meal). In the case of the game, it doesn't matter how much time you spent enjoying the game. The destination needs to have a significant payoff for your journey, and I already spent $250 dollars on the entire trilogy alone (i.e. Bought all of the story DLCs). Every consumer should have the right to voice their displeasure and vote with their wallet if they feel burned.
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Post by wolfsite on Aug 12, 2016 22:16:14 GMT
I'm waiting for the game to make me decide if I want to buy it.
Hell people are still saying they will buy Half-Life 3 and Valve has been actively trolling and making fun of there fan base for years yet they blindly hold on to some hope they have the game in production somewhere..... ya Bioware is much much better than that.
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Post by ComradeShepard7 on Aug 12, 2016 22:29:22 GMT
Nope. I'll still be waiting for the "game of the year" edition to be at the bottom of the bargain bin, and even then still might not buy it. I'll probably get a good idea of whether it's something I'll find interesting early on from let's play and community reception, but I'm also concerned about whether they will do a decent job with the PC interface and whether they will put in the long term effort to address any technical issues it may have. Regardless, BioWare games aren't worth their full price anymore, at least for me.
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Post by Crim on Aug 13, 2016 2:56:05 GMT
Oh absolutely, I was always a first day buyer of their games, now... nope. Gonna be a bargain bin buy fo' sure, ideally someone else will buy it for me so I won't have to give em my hard earned cash.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2016 6:03:52 GMT
I am truly amazed at the poor, disorganized, and amateurish-level of communication coming from BW (the staff and Andromeda specific websites); the current faux pas being the deafening silence regarding the release of the prequel novel Andromeda: Initiation. And if there is a short supply for sale and it goes out-of-stock right away, BW's credibility will tank in my view. MESSAGING NEEDS TO BE COHERENT, TIMELY, AND UP TO DATE. How can the EA/BW CEO's and board Chairmen tolerate this situation? Their reputations are on the line too, and if I was a stock investor I'd be more upset as well. The failure to have a coherent public communication scheme is just shameful. Still, poor marketing and communication is not an indicator of game quality and success (in my view). There are certainly instances of great marketing for a pathetic game/product too.
What will determine whether I buy Andromeda during the first week or not is the quality of information produced during the 90 days prior to the game's release date. The quality of the prequel novel will be a big influence for me as well. I'd rather not hear anything, given the drivel I'm reading from the staff tweets. It's a ridiculous situation that BW is doing to itself.
Perhaps some people will be fired after the book and game are released. If I were the CEO, that's what I'd do. It's not a good idea to shake everything up so close to the release dates. In the meantime, I'd tell everyone at BW to shut up, and reorganize the BW and Andromeda websites immediately. It's absurd to make people review multiple twitter and facebook pages to find out the latest announcements. I want just one website to learn everything coming out of BW's mouth. 'nuf said before I get really worked up over this. I'm just focusing on playthroughs for ME-2 and -3, and looking forward to reading an amazing prequel novel.
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Post by SalMasRac on Aug 13, 2016 6:07:07 GMT
I think Andromeda is too ambitious ('A bridge too far'),
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Post by Zjarcal on Aug 13, 2016 6:48:32 GMT
Then for DAI he had, for many consecutive weeks, guests who said they were enjoying the game (including Jesse and Dodger) but loudly declares again and again that it's crap. As if his word is god, while Jesse just shuts up cause you know he liked it. Uhh, Jesse doesn't like DAI much either... Not sure if he had a positive opinion at first, but he speaks mostly negative of it now (mostly the open world stuff to be fair, he does like the story and characters). It's also hilarious he still hasn't finished his Let's Play of it, lol. I wouldn't say TB's opinion on DAI is unfair (even if I disagree with it), but yeah, he does kinda seem to not even want to try to like BW games at this point. He does kind of wear that bias on his sleeve at least. On the actual topic, lol no, I will buy it day one, I've yet to not extract hundreds of hours of enjoyment of even my least favorite BW games,so until the day that changes, I'm buying their stuff asap. I don't care one bit about the forum shutdown drama, and while I can agree that some of those people hired may be obnoxious, every company has obnoxious people, I'd starve myself of entertainment if I avoided things based on that (unless it's an extreme case, which to be fair does happen). "Never meet your idols"
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