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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Feb 28, 2017 20:05:04 GMT
Taken and modified from DA:I. You can see it in the way they walk around during idle moments. It's the same problem as DA:I. They keep turning forwards and backwards if you stand still. Dude, there's so many problems showing at this point I think this game is beyond mere polish to make it better. It looks like something that would've needed not just an overhaul (and this goes across the board with other things too) but a better talent to make it. There's just too many things adding up at this point. I'm kinda ready to play the game and find myself being so disappointed I put it down before finishing. There are things in what has been shown that just turn me off completely. Like, they're not really scratching whatever itch I was hoping at all. Judging by this footage I just felt depressed watching it becuase it looked so uninteresting, like it grates on you. Man, this is frustrating.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 20:08:16 GMT
I think it's a combination of weak AI and shitty player, since he didn't do anything to move squadmates out of the way and just let them stand there, soaking up damage while missing 78% of the shots he made by 404 feet. I swear, IGN people play horrible on purpose. So I didn't imagine that. He really did just ignore his squad. PeeBee even begged for aid and then collapsed, so he had to revive her.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Feb 28, 2017 20:08:51 GMT
The game has already gone gold, the footage we get should reflect that. Why would IGN grab their footage from an old, buggy build, and most importantly, why would BioWare let them? Anti-datamining? The build they have might be good enough for demo purposes but not contain plot relevant things that can be leaked. Just a thought.
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Post by Croatsky on Feb 28, 2017 20:09:07 GMT
Well, at least this will give me an incentive to issue tactical commands.
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Post by Croatsky on Feb 28, 2017 20:11:29 GMT
The game has already gone gold, the footage we get should reflect that. Why would IGN grab their footage from an old, buggy build, and most importantly, why would BioWare let them? Anti-datamining? The build they have might be good enough for demo purposes but not contain plot relevant things that can be leaked. Just a thought. Also game went Gold merely three days ago. And IGN guy claims he is playing this mission post completing main story mission. Not a chance he got to play and complete ME:A under 3 days.
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Post by Cypher on Feb 28, 2017 20:13:38 GMT
I think it's a combination of weak AI and shitty player, since he didn't do anything to move squadmates out of the way and just let them stand there, soaking up damage while missing 78% of the shots he made by 404 feet. I swear, IGN people play horrible on purpose. So I didn't imagine that. He really did just ignore his squad. PeeBee even begged for aid and then collapsed, so he had to revive her. She was two feet away, out in the open next to where Ryder was hunkered down into cover, getting blasted in the face, and he didn't bother to reposition her. If Drack weren't Drack, he would've suffered the same fate. The guy casually falling into lava was just icing on a really shitty cake. I mean yeah, quad AI isn't what geniuses are made from, but I highly doubt that they're that dumb; they're still dependent on player input even with their autonomy.
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Post by daniel on Feb 28, 2017 20:13:56 GMT
Its IGN they haven't the foggiest how to play a Mass Effect game so don't worry to much. Also its obviously a pre load demo so nothing has been properly customised.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 20:14:06 GMT
It says "Pre-release footage" in the video in the very beginning as well. That said, the team AI doesn't look like deep thought or that other chess computer by any means. Does it bother me? No. I've never been able to use my squad in any form or fashion in the other BW games other than meat shields... so this isn't an important selling point for me, nor is it a point to disregard the game as a pile of goo. If you want to do that, be my guest since that is your right. Same for me, it's my right to not care about your points. Why doesn't it bother you? Are your standards stupidly low? The core of the gameplay is a squad-based game.How do think most dev teams balance enemy AI? First, they take into account how good can a player get, along with how smart the team AI can be. THEN, they balance the entire enemy AI around those two things. They're never done separately. E.G. Dark Souls. The player has a limited set of moves, but the entire enemy AI is built around that. The point of a team is to cooperate and feel part of that team. Not to feel like you're carrying your team-mates. Here's an exploded enemy behavior tree from The Division : You're telling me BioWare is gonna patch something like this on day 1? I was interested in MEA:MP. But seeing this stuff is sending me real, real bad vibes. As if all the AI was an afterthought. What's the point of all those gameplay choices if the combat interaction is complete garbage.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 20:14:29 GMT
Anti-datamining? The build they have might be good enough for demo purposes but not contain plot relevant things that can be leaked. Just a thought. Also game went Gold merely three days ago. And IGN guy claims he is playing this mission post completing main story mission. Not a chance he got to play and complete ME:A under 3 days. Yeah. If we look at the mixed reviews on relationship interactions, everyone had different saves at different points. Some early in the game, some mid-game. It was obviously all intentional.
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Post by ATR16 on Feb 28, 2017 20:14:40 GMT
Taken and modified from DA:I. You can see it in the way they walk around during idle moments. It's the same problem as DA:I. They keep turning forwards and backwards if you stand still. Dude, there's so many problems showing at this point I think this game is beyond mere polish to make it better. It looks like something that would've needed not just an overhaul (and this goes across the board with other things too) but a better talent to make it. There's just too many things adding up at this point. I'm kinda ready to play the game and find myself being so disappointed I put it down before finishing. There are things in what has been shown that just turn me off completely. Like, they're not really scratching whatever itch I was hoping at all. Judging by this footage I just felt depressed watching it becuase it looked so uninteresting, like it grates on you. Man, this is frustrating. The game is out in like 3 weeks exact. I laugh at all the "They're still polishing it" comments. So either, they haven't gone into physical production of the game yet (absurd idea) or the game is going to be woefully inept unless you download a massive day 1 patch because that is truly reassuring about the game quality. I guess people just gotta hope the Day 1 patch that fixes everything also doesn't happen to break anything else, because that hasn't happened before. The dev team has been working OT since August and will probably be working OT until after release. Thats an absurd OT schedule.
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Post by stealthfox94 on Feb 28, 2017 20:14:58 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 20:17:24 GMT
So I didn't imagine that. He really did just ignore his squad. PeeBee even begged for aid and then collapsed, so he had to revive her. She was two feet away, out in the open next to where Ryder was hunkered down into cover, getting blasted in the face, and he didn't bother to reposition her. If Drack weren't Drack, he would've suffered the same fate. The guy casually falling into lava was just icing on a really shitty cake. I mean yeah, quad AI isn't what geniuses are made from, but I highly doubt that they're that dumb; they're still dependent on player input even with their autonomy. Yeah that lava fall wasn't pretty lol at least I learned we get a sort of countdown before combustion and I'm actually glad he took Drack because I have a feeling it would have been embarrassingly bad if any other squadmate had joined.
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Post by Croatsky on Feb 28, 2017 20:19:11 GMT
The game is out in like 3 weeks exact. I laugh at all the "They're still polishing it" comments. So either, they haven't gone into physical production of the game yet (absurd idea) or the game is going to be woefully inept unless you download a massive day 1 patch because that is truly reassuring about the game quality. I guess people just gotta hope the Day 1 patch that fixes everything also doesn't happen to break anything else, because that hasn't happened before. The dev team has been working OT since August and will probably be working OT until after release. Thats an absurd OT schedule. Actually they've been polishing the game for months and they will continue to polish it for Day 1 patch, that might be out for 16th March 10 hours trial.
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Post by Cypher on Feb 28, 2017 20:19:53 GMT
Taken and modified from DA:I. You can see it in the way they walk around during idle moments. It's the same problem as DA:I. They keep turning forwards and backwards if you stand still. Dude, there's so many problems showing at this point I think this game is beyond mere polish to make it better. It looks like something that would've needed not just an overhaul (and this goes across the board with other things too) but a better talent to make it. There's just too many things adding up at this point. I'm kinda ready to play the game and find myself being so disappointed I put it down before finishing. There are things in what has been shown that just turn me off completely. Like, they're not really scratching whatever itch I was hoping at all. Judging by this footage I just felt depressed watching it becuase it looked so uninteresting, like it grates on you. Man, this is frustrating. The game is out in like 3 weeks exact. I laugh at all the "They're still polishing it" comments. So either, they haven't gone into physical production of the game yet (absurd idea) or the game is going to be woefully inept unless you download a massive day 1 patch because that is truly reassuring about the game quality. I guess people just gotta hope the Day 1 patch that fixes everything also doesn't happen to break anything else, because that hasn't happened before. The dev team has been working OT since August and will probably be working OT until after release. Thats an absurd OT schedule. They are still polishing it; it's why there's going to be a (likely a pretty big) day one patch. There's going to be bug fixes and patches in it. Doubtful it'll turn the AI into geniuses, but it should address issues. But as I already said, what we saw is mostly due to a shitty player and the fact that regardless of how fine tuned squad AI is, it's still largely balanced for player input, so if the player is shitty, the AI still will appear worse than it actually is. edit: As for their overtime schedule, that's pretty standard for major release. It's an industry practice, has nothing specific to do with the course of development of Andromeda, and is horrible regardless of which studio is doing it and should never be a thing.
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Post by Rico01 on Feb 28, 2017 20:20:27 GMT
Why doesn't it bother you? Are your standards stupidly low? The core of the gameplay is a squad-based game.How do think most dev teams balance enemy AI? First, they take into account how good can a player get, along with how smart the team AI can be. THEN, they balance the entire enemy AI around those two things. They're never done separately. E.G. Dark Souls. The player has a limited set of moves, but the entire enemy AI is built around that. The point of a team is to cooperate and feel part of that team. Not to feel like you're carrying your team-mates. You're telling me BioWare is gonna patch something like this in a day 1 patch? I was interested in MEA:MP. But seeing this stuff is sending me real, real bad vibes. As if all the AI was an afterthought. What's the point of all those gameplay choices if the combat interaction is complete garbage. Maybe because I have a much cheerier disposition on life than you do? Maybe my standards are stupidly low. What of it and what is it to you? I've always played ME as a solo game. The team has only been there because I had to take them with me. And I chose based on looks. Sorry, but your points are still foreign to me. I'm not saying anything about BW are gonna fix anything. Hell, they apparently cannot fix the facial animashionssss.... Take a deep breath and realize it is only a game. Jeez.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 20:24:38 GMT
Maybe because I have a much cheerier disposition on life than you do? Maybe my standards are stupidly low. What of it and what is it to you? I'm not saying anything about BW are gnna fix anything. Hell, they apparently cannot fix the facial animashionssss.... Take a deep breath and realize it is only a game. Jeez. People like you are exactly why the AAA industry keeps producing shit games, because you like being fed trash. BioWare is one of the few developers with a history of excellence. It's why I've always been a fan since Baldur's Gate. I hate to be a gamer sometimes.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 20:24:47 GMT
I think it's implied that the patch will be 55GB or something like that on PC.
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Post by Rico01 on Feb 28, 2017 20:27:39 GMT
People like you are exactly why the AAA industry keeps producing shit games, because you like being fed trash. BioWare is one of the few developers with a history of excellence. It's why I've always been a fan since Baldur's Gate. I hate to be a gamer sometimes. Aww, poor little buddy. Don't be sad. I love you too!
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Post by Revan Reborn on Feb 28, 2017 20:29:11 GMT
Perhaps it's just me, but who actually ever relied on squadmates anyway? I always play Mass Effect on Insanity and I would use them as meat shields... Shepard always did all of the work. I don't expect this to be any different in Andromeda with Ryder. Bring on the fun!!!
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Post by ATR16 on Feb 28, 2017 20:30:30 GMT
The game is out in like 3 weeks exact. I laugh at all the "They're still polishing it" comments. So either, they haven't gone into physical production of the game yet (absurd idea) or the game is going to be woefully inept unless you download a massive day 1 patch because that is truly reassuring about the game quality. I guess people just gotta hope the Day 1 patch that fixes everything also doesn't happen to break anything else, because that hasn't happened before. The dev team has been working OT since August and will probably be working OT until after release. Thats an absurd OT schedule. They are still polishing it; it's why there's going to be a (likely a pretty big) day one patch. There's going to be bug fixes and patches in it. Doubtful it'll turn the AI into geniuses, but it should address issues. But as I already said, what we saw is mostly due to a shitty player and the fact that regardless of how fine tuned squad AI is, it's still largely balanced for player input, so if the player is shitty, the AI still will appear worse than it actually is. edit: As for their overtime schedule, that's pretty standard for major release. It's an industry practice, has nothing specific to do with the course of development of Andromeda, and is horrible regardless of which studio is doing it and should never be a thing. The polish thing is kind of my point. How much more is realistically going to be done? 3 weeks, 6 weeks, sounds like a long time, but it really isn't. It is a lot to ask of a Day 1 patch to fix a lot of the concerns people have been expressing. After DAI, I have less confidence that it will be sufficient. Regardless of how shit the dude was, I would hope my AI doesn't stand in the open and call for help unless I direct them to cover every single time. A lot of the decision making in the game seems to be done to remove perceived micro managing, but then to have AI be dumb unless you hold their hand is contradictory.
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Post by Rico01 on Feb 28, 2017 20:32:59 GMT
Perhaps it's just me, but who actually ever relied on squadmates anyway? I always play Mass Effect on Insanity and I would use them as meat shields... Shepard always did all of the work. I don't expect this to be any different in Andromeda with Ryder. Bring on the fun!!! Wohoo! I'm not alone! Actually, that sounded wrong, but what you wrote was what Isaid a couple of posts back. I better slip out undetected now before the OP gets an aneurysm.
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Post by smilesja on Feb 28, 2017 20:33:34 GMT
Maybe because I have a much cheerier disposition on life than you do? Maybe my standards are stupidly low. What of it and what is it to you? I'm not saying anything about BW are gnna fix anything. Hell, they apparently cannot fix the facial animashionssss.... Take a deep breath and realize it is only a game. Jeez. People like you are exactly why the AAA industry keeps producing shit games, because you like being fed trash. BioWare is one of the few developers with a history of excellence. It's why I've always been a fan since Baldur's Gate. I hate to be a gamer sometimes.
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Post by KaiserShep on Feb 28, 2017 20:33:36 GMT
Since when is bringing up valid concerns about gameplay (with evidence) bitching? You people I think it's a much bigger issue now that you can't move them while paused or revive them with medi-gel. I can only hope they've worked on squad AI since then. Revival with medigel was always kind of wierd. It's like administering pain medication over wifi.
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Post by vonuber on Feb 28, 2017 20:34:42 GMT
Am I the only person who didn't play mass effect for the combat?
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Post by llandwynwyn on Feb 28, 2017 20:35:30 GMT
Maybe because I have a much cheerier disposition on life than you do? Maybe my standards are stupidly low. What of it and what is it to you? I'm not saying anything about BW are gnna fix anything. Hell, they apparently cannot fix the facial animashionssss.... Take a deep breath and realize it is only a game. Jeez. People like you are exactly why the AAA industry keeps producing shit games, because you like being fed trash. BioWare is one of the few developers with a history of excellence. It's why I've always been a fan since Baldur's Gate. I hate to be a gamer sometimes. Don't fall for "positive baiters", wavebend. The problems we see are all in our head; we are negative, trolls, should be on 4chan, "dutchy", negative nancies, finding reason to blame poor biower for sport, illogical, non pleasers and then more. And even though they dismiss and belittle our opinion, we are always the asshole in the thread.
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