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Post by Rivercurse on Mar 1, 2017 14:10:08 GMT
To provide a counterpoint, maybe it's a good thing? I don't want my squad being too efficient.
Say you've levelled up all their powers properly and you enter combat, if the AI was awesome one squadmate would incinerate the enemy with armour and then detonate a tech combo, the other would have sniped an unshielded enemy, and then perhaps overloaded the shield of another before priming them with something. Maybe one throws a grenade at the feet of a weak enemy aswell.. Ryder standing there like damn, I wanted to kill those guys, and I wanted to do it differently..
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Post by The Elder King on Mar 1, 2017 14:11:31 GMT
To provide a counterpoint, maybe it's a good thing? I don't want my squad being too efficient. Say you've levelled up all their powers properly and you enter combat, if the AI was awesome one squadmate would incinerate the enemy with armour and then detonate a tech combo, the other would have sniped an unshielded enemy, and then perhaps overloaded the shield of another before priming them with something. Maybe one throws a grenade at the feet of a weak enemy aswell.. Ryder standing there like damn, I wanted to kill those guys, and I wanted to do it differently.. I don't think people want the squadmates to be uber powerful, but efficient in fighting and covering.
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Post by Rivercurse on Mar 1, 2017 14:13:04 GMT
The sooner they go down the better then. Have a rest chaps, I'll deal with this lot.
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Post by souljahbill14 on Mar 1, 2017 15:26:37 GMT
If your teammates killed all the things, the game would be boring.
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Post by laxian on Mar 2, 2017 13:46:24 GMT
Holy shit dude. We get it. You hate this game already. Don't buy it and quit your bitching. That is NOT what he said, so stop being a dick about not agreeing with him, it's not like he stands alone with his oppinion (I for one agree, hell: I am doing another run of ME3 ATM (I finally caved and bought the DLC, despite not really liking the vanilla game (except gameplay!) much! I just needed my ME-Fix and I haven't played any DLC for Andromeda so far, except Javik's day-one-DLC!) and my companions (especially Liara!) constantly die on me (and it's not like I am ordering them into heavy fire! Nope, I order them to cover often!)) So this was a thing in past games, so it needs some attention IMHO (can't drag old mistakes along if this new game wants to become a shining beacon in the night that is the current gaming industry (some great titles and a lot of repetitive stuff!)) greetins LAX
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 2, 2017 13:49:12 GMT
Iron Bull>Sera>Dorian>Varric>Everyone elseHa. Cassandra>Everyone else Fixed dat 4U. I love Sera and Dorian, but I can't argue with this. Cass is my inky's homegirl.
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Post by Psychevore on Mar 2, 2017 15:24:57 GMT
So... did any of you guys and gals every play a squad based game where the AI was great without cheating obviously (take GTA V for example. Whoever you're not controlling simply can't die. That's cheating. I know this isn't a real squad based game, but it was the quickest example to come to mind of cheating) or you having to manually write the AI? (like DA:O)
I seriously can't think of any.
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Post by amleth on Mar 2, 2017 15:35:23 GMT
I think it's a problem with the ai prioritisation strings where the ai doesn't have a strong enough suite to adapt to changing conditions of the battlefield, It probably goes something like (target with x quality in x range - then do x action), (target shooting at you - take cover), but because they are badly prioritised the ai vacillates between actions and ends up running back and forth like a headless chicken. What is really disappointing is that this sort of coding is easy to test and implement, so much so that they even made it a game feature in DA:O, so there is really no excuse for much crap AI.
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Post by SalMasRac on Mar 2, 2017 18:09:12 GMT
To provide a counterpoint, maybe it's a good thing? I don't want my squad being too efficient. Say you've levelled up all their powers properly and you enter combat, if the AI was awesome one squadmate would incinerate the enemy with armour and then detonate a tech combo, the other would have sniped an unshielded enemy, and then perhaps overloaded the shield of another before priming them with something. Maybe one throws a grenade at the feet of a weak enemy aswell.. Ryder standing there like damn, I wanted to kill those guys, and I wanted to do it differently.. Maybe MY Ryder wanted to go make a sandwich
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Post by peabuddie on Mar 6, 2017 1:23:36 GMT
Why doesn't it bother you? Are your standards stupidly low? The core of the gameplay is a squad-based game.How do think most dev teams balance enemy AI? First, they take into account how good can a player get, along with how smart the team AI can be. THEN, they balance the entire enemy AI around those two things. They're never done separately. E.G. Dark Souls. The player has a limited set of moves, but the entire enemy AI is built around that. The point of a team is to cooperate and feel part of that team. Not to feel like you're carrying your team-mates. You're telling me BioWare is gonna patch something like this in a day 1 patch? I was interested in MEA:MP. But seeing this stuff is sending me real, real bad vibes. As if all the AI was an afterthought. What's the point of all those gameplay choices if the combat interaction is complete garbage. Maybe because I have a much cheerier disposition on life than you do? Maybe my standards are stupidly low. What of it and what is it to you? I've always played ME as a solo game. The team has only been there because I had to take them with me. And I chose based on looks. Sorry, but your points are still foreign to me. I'm not saying anything about BW are gonna fix anything. Hell, they apparently cannot fix the facial animashionssss.... Take a deep breath and realize it is only a game. Jeez. "Take a deep breath and realize it is only a game. Jeez." It isn't "only a game". It's an investment, of money and time. Money and time that we have put into Bioware games over many years and are now considering continuing to support. It's a business, it's a product and as such companies have obligations to deliver a product worthy of the consumer confidence. I agree it is because of lackadaisical attitudes of some gamers, particularly young ones. and hormonal pre-order frenzies that the gaming industry as a whole has been effected in some very negative ways. These consumer behaviors do in fact encourage practices that do not always benefit the consumer at large. Participating in pay to win schemes, pre-ordering of sight unseen products (that encourage bait and switch behaviors on the part of distributors), accepting over the top bugginess and day one 20gig patches. All of these behaviors work to undermine the consumer. Cheery disposition is one thing, but prudence and sobriety serve better when considering product purchases. The gaming industry is the ONLY industry that gets away carte blanc with a whole handful of questionable practices and are rarely held to account, occasionally (See Aliens: Colonial Marines) but rarely. There should be lemon laws applied to industry. Having said all this I'm sure MEA is going to be just fine. Not perfect but playable in every significant way.
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Post by pantherdane on Mar 6, 2017 2:58:53 GMT
If your teammates killed all the things, the game would be boring. this, but you still dont want them to be useless. If they are no worse than in ME3, then it wont be a big deal. These IGN vids show me how bad the IGN people play, too, and there is always a chance that they were only given access to an early build. The day one patch will fix it all, lol.
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Post by Sanunes on Mar 6, 2017 3:13:58 GMT
If your teammates killed all the things, the game would be boring. this, but you still dont want them to be useless. If they are no worse than in ME3, then it wont be a big deal. These IGN vids show me how bad the IGN people play, too, and there is always a chance that they were only given access to an early build. The day one patch will fix it all, lol. I do agree, I think the party AI will only be a problem for me is if it is worse then Mass Effect 3 and that will take some doing, so they would stand on cover refuse to do anything but spin in circles and die. One thing I am wondering is how old the build they were playing was. I am tempted to think it was the same build they sent off for certification to Sony and Microsoft for they probably tested that build to make sure it wouldn't fail certification.
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Post by laughingbanana on Mar 6, 2017 4:48:39 GMT
"It's fine because Bioware's last games have terrible AI too" is such a weird 'defense', if you can even call it defense. Like, would you guys find it acceptable if the AI for this game is as stupid as Varric who always seem to forget that he should be at range and NOT move in so close to folks wearing big swords?
What is funnier is people who can't stand their soon-to-be-coming-praise-it! game getting criticized. Come on, people, I am terribly excited about Andromeda as well but getting so overly defensive over any criticism levied upon it is so not cool. Why immediately rebuke OP's post with "we get it, you hate the game, now GTFO" posts instead of talking about his concerns (which I do find valid, to note)? After all, as "true fans" you want the game to be as good as possible, right?
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Post by Rico01 on Mar 6, 2017 5:34:32 GMT
Maybe because I have a much cheerier disposition on life than you do? Maybe my standards are stupidly low. What of it and what is it to you? I've always played ME as a solo game. The team has only been there because I had to take them with me. And I chose based on looks. Sorry, but your points are still foreign to me. I'm not saying anything about BW are gonna fix anything. Hell, they apparently cannot fix the facial animashionssss.... Take a deep breath and realize it is only a game. Jeez. "Take a deep breath and realize it is only a game. Jeez." It isn't "only a game". It's an investment, of money and time. Money and time that we have put into Bioware games over many years and are now considering continuing to support. It's a business, it's a product and as such companies have obligations to deliver a product worthy of the consumer confidence. I agree it is because of lackadaisical attitudes of some gamers, particularly young ones. and hormonal pre-order frenzies that the gaming industry as a whole has been effected in some very negative ways. These consumer behaviors do in fact encourage practices that do not always benefit the consumer at large. Participating in pay to win schemes, pre-ordering of sight unseen products (that encourage bait and switch behaviors on the part of distributors), accepting over the top bugginess and day one 20gig patches. All of these behaviors work to undermine the consumer. Cheery disposition is one thing, but prudence and sobriety serve better when considering product purchases. The gaming industry is the ONLY industry that gets away carte blanc with a whole handful of questionable practices and are rarely held to account, occasionally (See Aliens: Colonial Marines) but rarely. There should be lemon laws applied to industry. Having said all this I'm sure MEA is going to be just fine. Not perfect but playable in every significant way. I still think it is only a game. I'm neither young nor hormonal so that is not applicable to me if that is what you tried to do. If the game suck, it's gonna be a let down but the world will still spin. I assure you. But I do have a cheery disposition and still do not understand why some people act like Bioware (or any other game developer) insulted their mother just because they didn't program the best AI... EVER! Relax.
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Post by Sanunes on Mar 6, 2017 5:38:48 GMT
"It's fine because Bioware's last games have terrible AI too" is such a weird 'defense', if you can even call it defense. Like, would you guys find it acceptable if the AI for this game is as stupid as Varric who always seem to forget that he should be at range and NOT move in so close to folks wearing big swords? What is funnier is people who can't stand their soon-to-be-coming-praise-it! game getting criticized. Come on, people, I am terribly excited about Andromeda as well but getting so overly defensive over any criticism levied upon it is so not cool. Why immediately rebuke OP's post with "we get it, you hate the game, now GTFO" posts instead of talking about his concerns (which I do find valid, to note)? After all, as "true fans" you want the game to be as good as possible, right? I would be fine if it worked like that, for that is what I expect from a BioWare game. I would be pleased if it is improved beyond that, but I have come to expect that level of bad AI. It is probably like all the people that give Bethesda a pass for their games too, that is what people have come to expect from Bethesda and hope for better, they just know what to expect.
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Post by zeowik on Mar 6, 2017 5:51:20 GMT
I never had to worry about the AI before because I could command them. I really hope I'm not going to be as frustrated as I fear that they gutted the tactical pause from the series, a defining aspect of the series for me. I hadn't even thought about the AI or the potential problems ditching player control over them introduces.
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Post by RakiaTime on Mar 6, 2017 7:29:45 GMT
Holy shit dude. We get it. You hate this game already. Don't buy it and quit your bitching. The difference is I only bitch about important issues. I don't care about the facial animations. The core gameplay - what makes this a game for me, is completely broken for the most part. I could talk about the MASSIVE amounts of hand-holding (worse than DAI and TW3), the silly and chippering banter on alien worlds which makes zero sense, the obnoxious UI, the cover system, the animations, and the list goes on and on and on. But I'm focusing on what I think is important. Then leave, save yourself and us the annoyance Anyway, i dont care, i'll play for the story, 0 fucks given about gameplay
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Post by Blackheart on Mar 6, 2017 12:45:27 GMT
The difference is I only bitch about important issues. I don't care about the facial animations. The core gameplay - what makes this a game for me, is completely broken for the most part. I could talk about the MASSIVE amounts of hand-holding (worse than DAI and TW3), the silly and chippering banter on alien worlds which makes zero sense, the obnoxious UI, the cover system, the animations, and the list goes on and on and on. But I'm focusing on what I think is important. Then leave, save yourself and us the annoyance Anyway, i dont care, i'll play for the story, 0 fucks given about gameplay Maybe you should leave, if you can't stand some criticism. You're pretty much saying "I only care about story, so fuck everyone else who cares about other things than me." Ignorance at its finest.
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Post by TheGodlyFist on Mar 6, 2017 13:33:06 GMT
"It's fine because Bioware's last games have terrible AI too" is such a weird 'defense', if you can even call it defense. Like, would you guys find it acceptable if the AI for this game is as stupid as Varric who always seem to forget that he should be at range and NOT move in so close to folks wearing big swords? What is funnier is people who can't stand their soon-to-be-coming-praise-it! game getting criticized. Come on, people, I am terribly excited about Andromeda as well but getting so overly defensive over any criticism levied upon it is so not cool. Why immediately rebuke OP's post with "we get it, you hate the game, now GTFO" posts instead of talking about his concerns (which I do find valid, to note)? After all, as "true fans" you want the game to be as good as possible, right? Most of the people's problem is that all the negative arguments are blowing it way out of proportion. They're acting like the AI stood still and shot themselves in the head. That would be a "complete joke" of AI. Not simplistic AI from a incomplete version of the game being played by a below average player.
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Post by TheGodlyFist on Mar 6, 2017 13:37:30 GMT
Then leave, save yourself and us the annoyance Anyway, i dont care, i'll play for the story, 0 fucks given about gameplay Maybe you should leave, if you can't stand some criticism. You're pretty much saying "I only care about story, so fuck everyone else who cares about other things than me." Ignorance at its finest. Coming from the person who basically just said, "I only care about combat AI, so fuck everyone else who cares about other things than me." Arrogance at its finest.
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Post by FireAndBlood on Mar 6, 2017 13:52:28 GMT
So what happened to Wavebend?
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Post by Blackheart on Mar 6, 2017 15:21:08 GMT
Maybe you should leave, if you can't stand some criticism. You're pretty much saying "I only care about story, so fuck everyone else who cares about other things than me." Ignorance at its finest. Coming from the person who basically just said, "I only care about combat AI, so fuck everyone else who cares about other things than me." Arrogance at its finest. I basically just said that? Really? Where? Quote me on it, smartass.
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Post by theflyingzamboni on Mar 6, 2017 15:22:03 GMT
So what happened to Wavebend? Kinda wondering that myself. His account's been deleted.
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Post by TheGodlyFist on Mar 6, 2017 18:47:35 GMT
Coming from the person who basically just said, "I only care about combat AI, so fuck everyone else who cares about other things than me." Arrogance at its finest. I basically just said that? Really? Where? Quote me on it, smartass.
Implying that since he doesn't share your opinion he shouldn't be here.
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Post by Blackheart on Mar 6, 2017 19:05:32 GMT
I basically just said that? Really? Where? Quote me on it, smartass.
Implying that since he doesn't share your opinion he shouldn't be here. Classic from you, interpreting words in your way to suit your needs and prove your stupid point. Why didn't you bold the whole sentence? Oh, I know, because you know it disproves your point. I clearly said that if he can't take criticism, then he should be the one to leave. It's not his thread and he's telling OP to leave. You never fail to impress with your stupid logic. "Hey, you should leave your own topic, because I'm triggered and I don't agree with you!" What a logic.
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