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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2017 13:17:05 GMT
Zelda is a dude trying so save princess Link Also he's shaped like a huge pink sphere, can eat anything, and spit out fire. Sometimes he eats a feather, though, to become a flying squirrel.
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Post by admiralbonetopickmk2 on Mar 3, 2017 13:34:51 GMT
That statement is hardly hyperbole when it sits at a 98 out of over 60 reviews from game reviewers rather than the userscore. It is seeing reviews very few games gets. With regards to Breath of the Wild getting such crazy high praise and GOAT talk etc... You have to remember that Zelda receives the same treatment from most gaming sites... ie. A total lack of objectivity due to just being Zelda/Nintendo. Whereas other rpg games(like say Horizon Zero Dawn) get criticised for being "unoriginal" and "not innovate enough" while being compared to every other rpg out there while the latest Zelda, which is the most generic Zelda yet and borrows ideas from every rpg game out there gets an "Greatest game ever, masterpiece" talk just for being Zelda. Gotta love those double standards. Essentially every Zelda game that is released is the greatest of all time, till the next one comes out. PS. Also at the same time i remember all the same gaming critics and journos gushed over Dragon Age:Inquisition in a similiar fashion with glowing reviews as well... So yeeeaah im a gonna take these overly positive reviews of Zelda BOTW with a large grain of salt. From what ive read and seen its not doing anything that other games havent done better before it, but because its Zelda im meant to think its the best thing since sliced bred. No thank you. I give it six months to a year later when everyone will be saying it wasn't that awesome after all, and there will be redactions and a dialing down of the ott hyperbolic praise and a more honest appraisal can be had. Thats what usually happens with Zelda games.
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Post by hector535 on Mar 3, 2017 16:21:06 GMT
That statement is hardly hyperbole when it sits at a 98 out of over 60 reviews from game reviewers rather than the userscore. It is seeing reviews very few games gets. With regards to Breath of the Wild getting such crazy high praise and GOAT talk etc... You have to remember that Zelda receives the same treatment from most gaming sites... ie. A total lack of objectivity due to just being Zelda/Nintendo. Whereas other rpg games(like say Horizon Zero Dawn) get criticised for being "unoriginal" and "not innovate enough" while being compared to every other rpg out there while the latest Zelda, which is the most generic Zelda yet and borrows ideas from every rpg game out there gets an "Greatest game ever, masterpiece" talk just for being Zelda. Gotta love those double standards. Essentially every Zelda game that is released is the greatest of all time, till the next one comes out. PS. Also at the same time i remember all the same gaming critics and journos gushed over Dragon Age:Inquisition in a similiar fashion with glowing reviews as well... So yeeeaah im a gonna take these overly positive reviews of Zelda BOTW with a large grain of salt. From what ive read and seen its not doing anything that other games havent done better before it, but because its Zelda im meant to think its the best thing since sliced bred. No thank you. I give it six months to a year later when everyone will be saying it wasn't that awesome after all, and there will be redactions and a dialing down of the ott hyperbolic praise and a more honest appraisal can be had. Thats what usually happens with Zelda games. I agree, i know that zelda is a classic, but i don't see anything special. It looks very solid and complete but i don't see anything ground breaking. I would like to play it to actually have an opinion on the game, but I won't be buying a switch for just 1 game.
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Post by danielhungary on Mar 3, 2017 23:41:57 GMT
Zelda BotW isn't a success at all. 7.8 from the players/readers and 98 from the mainstream indicates that there is a huge distance between the two groups.
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Post by Nightlife on Mar 4, 2017 2:04:54 GMT
Surprised this thread is still going, but, I got Zelda today and it's hard. No hand-holding and minimal tutorials. Then they kinda just release you on to the world. I'm getting one-shot in the first area LOL. It's massive and beautiful at least.
I'm glad that ME:A will have a bit more structure to it.
P.S. I think I might just go for ME3 since I finished ME2 last night, then do Zelda after ME:A. We'll see. So far, I'm more interested in playing ME3 again.
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Post by spacev3gan on Mar 5, 2017 8:32:03 GMT
Awards don't mean anything.
'Breath of the Wild' should have zero impact on how good or bad a game ME:A will be. It a brand new title that having just been release should have zero influence on the development of ME:A.
As for reviews, chances are ME:A won't be getting any perfect 10/10 from major reviewers anyway. It is going to score below 'Breath of the Wild', pretty much regardless of which one is better. In fact most if not all games this generation will be scoring less than 'Breath of the Wild', since they all get scrutinized for minor technical issues, flaws, reviewers bias, lack of this or that, facial animations, etc.
As for sales, they are completely different platforms and for the most part different customers as well. Most people don't have a spare Nintendo Switch lying around so they can just buy the new Zelda game and play - if they had, the sales could be affected, indeed. However, most people who are going to buy Zelda + Nintendo Switch have already committed their money for that long ago, and they are much more excited for that than for this EA Andromeda game that they don't know much about; and obviously the same argument can be said about Mass Effect fanboys in regards to Zelda.
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Post by Cypher on Mar 5, 2017 8:46:06 GMT
Zelda BotW isn't a success at all. 7.8 from the players/readers and 98 from the mainstream indicates that there is a huge distance between the two groups. A relative 8/10 and a relative 10/10 aren't drastic differences and well within the range of "shit's awesome." And that's factoring in that user review scores are subject to troll scores to bring scores down and many gaming publications like to slap 10/10's on anything Zelda and Nintendo related just cuz.
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Post by qwib on Mar 5, 2017 9:31:14 GMT
I love how we've started this cycle actually. What's the next game release before March 23rd that's going to negatively impact MEA, I wonder? Well I don't know if that's accurate, but on the 16th a game called SENRAN KAGURA: PEACH BEACH SPLASH gets released. The last game before ME:A. I mean... they kind of have guns and nearly naked girls. If that thread pops up, I'm going to run....
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Post by smilesja on Mar 5, 2017 10:29:27 GMT
Well it has nothing to do with Breath of the Wild but:
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Post by slimgrin on Mar 5, 2017 14:11:08 GMT
There's no question Nintendo gets coddled by critics or nostalgia takes over. I mean Zelda looks great, but to get 98 it'd have to be reinventing a genre or be basically perfect.
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Post by wolfsite on Mar 5, 2017 14:16:32 GMT
There's no question Nintendo gets coddled by critics or nostalgia takes over. I mean Zelda looks great, but to get 98 it'd have to be reinventing a genre or be basically perfect. Well Breath of the Wild is a huge departure from the traditional "Zelda" formula by being open world and allowing you to tackle the game in any order you wish (Miyamoto has even stated you could go straight to the end game from the start).
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Post by neiljwd on Mar 5, 2017 14:18:28 GMT
I think it's naive to think Zelda hasnt affected ME:A's sales.
A brand new console is expensive. As are games.For anyone who was trying to decide between the two, only able to afford one, then Zelda releasing 1st to 10/10's across the board will have turned many heads. This will affect 1st week sales, which are crucial to publishers.
Ofc the big question is how much? To what extent they'll be an effect...
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Mar 5, 2017 14:36:49 GMT
just what I was thinking like Horizon it's a platform exclusive the only thing reall ythat we should compare MEA with is another game that's being released on multiple systems if you'er to compare it with anything at all. TBH I consider ME to be pretty unique in that there aren't many if any other games like it. Especially as there aren' tmany games that have RPG elements that take place in the galaxy and allow you to pick up and throw bad guys using your mind and shoot them all in one game. ME does have all that and moer given you can explore the galaxy as well to a point too and I look forward to see how they'er continuing this in MEA especially as I've been impressed with everything they've shown us so far. I'm not saying MEA won't have problems or issues but for the most part the game looks pretty solid.
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Post by lastpawn on Mar 5, 2017 14:39:40 GMT
Had a chance to watch a friend play the new Zelda game. Looks great, plays pretty well, surprisingly hard for a kids game which makes me think it's aimed more at people who grew up playing Zelda games.
Here's something I liked. No overbearing handsholding. It's a "kids game" (see above) that doesn't treat its players like someone who's not only never played a single game but can't even distinguish a hole in the ground from their ass. I can't tell you how refreshing that is.
Compare to ME:A scanning mechanic which appears to be: "Hold down a button and someone tells you what to do." I hope this new Zelda does fantastically well and other publishers learn from this.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Mar 5, 2017 15:08:42 GMT
There's no question Nintendo gets coddled by critics or nostalgia takes over. I mean Zelda looks great, but to get 98 it'd have to be reinventing a genre or be basically perfect. Well Breath of the Wild is a huge departure from the traditional "Zelda" formula by being open world and allowing you to tackle the game in any order you wish (Miyamoto has even stated you could go straight to the end game from the start). It's a huge departure for Zelda, but it's not "reinventing a genre," as open world games have been doing this for at least 15 years now. You are certainly able to go to Hyrule Castle immediately if you want. You'll just die instantly because you are in no way qualified or prepared to actually be there. I'd consider that more so an illusion of choice than actual player agency. I think it's naive to think Zelda hasnt affected ME:A's sales. A brand new console is expensive. As are games.For anyone who was trying to decide between the two, only able to afford one, then Zelda releasing 1st to 10/10's across the board will have turned many heads. This will affect 1st week sales, which are crucial to publishers. Ofc the big question is how much? To what extent they'll be an effect... You assume most of Mass Effect's fan base hasn't already pre-ordered MEA. I'd guarantee you a large portion of the fan base already set money aside for this game. There's also no way of determining how many Mass Effect Andromeda fans are also Legend of Zelda fans. I happen to be both (and I have Breath of the Wild), but that in no way was going to stop me from getting MEA. Truthfully, I'm anticipating MEA a little more than I was BotW. Had a chance to watch a friend play the new Zelda game. Looks great, plays pretty well, surprisingly hard for a kids game which makes me think it's aimed more at people who grew up playing Zelda games. Here's something I liked. No overbearing handsholding. It's a "kids game" (see above) that doesn't treat its players like someone who's not only never played a single game but can't even distinguish a hole in the ground from their ass. I can't tell you how refreshing that is. Compare to ME:A scanning mechanic which appears to be: "Hold down a button and someone tells you what to do." I hope this new Zelda does fantastically well and other publishers learn from this. BotW is definitely meant to appeal more so to those who grew up on Zelda (age 20-30) rather than just kids or newcomers. It's the kind of Zelda game I've really wanted for the past 15 years, so I'm glad Nintendo has finally made this jump. I believe that's part of the reason the metacritic score is so high because it really is a game made for the older Nintendo fans that Nintendo, in some cases, lost to the Wii and Wii U.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Mar 5, 2017 15:16:43 GMT
It's crazy how we're living in a time now, where we're worried about the reviews a Bioware game will get. Until this year, the biggest concerns Bioware fans would have, is who they can romance. I get it though. EA/Bioware have done a truly terrible job marketing this game. This is the sad mark of EA. This game is the actual crucible for Mass Effect, and for Bioware if you ask me. If they come out of the gates strong, you kids are loving it so much I have to buy it and avoid getting too far behind... Then Bioware is back, all is forgiven, sing your favorite song and skip around like the Iron Bull was giving you the best ride of your life! If it is meh, or actually bad, your post shows that the death knell had begun long before. Our fanbase has changed. Old Bioware forums, and then OG BSN, was mostly fans that were: hardcore, had Bioware's back, and if they laid out criticism, it was well-informed and not hateful... Because there was trust, and a love-affair. I felt it. With DA2 some of us got uneasy. I was still in the hardcore fan department, as I was still a very active part of modding KotOR and visited Bioware and NWN for Lexicon help, scripting lessons, etc. Lots of lurking in those days. ME3 and how you feel about it is a horse beaten to death, here there and everywhere. A house was divided, that cannot be argued. DAI was.... Special. It still is. The only Biower game I have been unable to get into for a second playthrough. Barely touched the MP, I couldn't really tell what the fuck I was doing; it felt like playing a bad remake of Gauntlet. Yet, some of you love it... (See house divided comment). Now we are here. Coming slowly out of cryo, about to arrive in Andromeda. And anxiously waiting. There are some still wearing the rosiest of tinted glasses, and will love the game magically no matter what. They tell us so everyday. Most of us are now firmly in the camp of some level of concern, from mild concern to serious doubt. And, as there has always been, there is a camp of people that actively seem to want abject failure, love to trash the game. They would seemingly sabotage the game if they could, to see it all burn. I live in the serious doubt camp, but I hope for success and not failure. I haz popcorn.
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Post by drclawixp on Mar 5, 2017 16:14:12 GMT
Zelda BotW isn't a success at all. 7.8 from the players/readers and 98 from the mainstream indicates that there is a huge distance between the two groups. Eh... if you look into the user scores, you'll see a lot of 0s from people who: hate nintendo, have never played the game, are just trolling, etc. And then a lot of people giving it 10s to offset the 0s. I saw several people who, in their review, gave it a 7/8 out of 10 and then marked it 0 for some asinine reason. While I'm not certain the game rates as high as 98, user scores on Metacritic aren't often a good source of determining the quality.
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Post by Elessar on Mar 5, 2017 16:18:24 GMT
User scores are pretty much useless.
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Post by jastall on Mar 5, 2017 16:21:49 GMT
Zelda BotW isn't a success at all. 7.8 from the players/readers and 98 from the mainstream indicates that there is a huge distance between the two groups. Metacritic user scores are awful, however. Look at all the 0s it got mere hours after release! Sure, it's ''balanced out'' and then some by fanboys giving it an automatic 10, but that only proves my point; the total lack of curation in a self-selecting sample size is not reliable. I'm not saying BotW is the best game ever (as I'm not going to play it in my life) but user scores can easily be just a unreliable and unrepresentative as overhyped review scores.
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Post by Elessar on Mar 5, 2017 16:28:13 GMT
I have never owned a Nintendo console, their games are not my cup of tea but i gotta say Breath of the Wild is the first time that a game of theirs made me go "hmm that looks rather nice. i could see me playing this". One one side the open exploration, the number of different systems and yet a simplicity to it all. That said, i doubt it's THE BEST GAME EVER! as the scores would imply...
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Post by nolerhn on Mar 5, 2017 16:45:36 GMT
BoTw didnt affect my purchase of ME:A I already have 2 ME copies preordered, and last night I downloaded BoTW which I haven't played yet, but will be waiting for me when I get home from work tonight.
No switch, bought it for the WiiU, whose library needed company of my only other wii U game, xenoblade X.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 16:49:17 GMT
I will never understand the /10 ratings in the video game industry. It seems anything that gets below a 7/10 is considered awful. Shouldn't 5/10 mean the game is mediocre (average, decent) and the score goes up or down depending on the positive aspects of it? It'd make more sense, at least for me.
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Post by our_lady_of_darkness on Mar 5, 2017 17:56:13 GMT
I will never understand the /10 ratings in the video game industry. It seems anything that gets below a 7/10 is considered awful. Shouldn't 5/10 mean the game is mediocre (average, decent) and the score goes up or down depending on the positive aspects of it? It'd make more sense, at least for me. Hear, hear. I'm getting really tired of this whole Best Game Evah Since Bread Was Invented hype (Zelda), countered only by Worst Thing In the World, Made By Satan Himself (see some comments on DAI, for example). I know it's the realm of marketing, etc., but, by the goddess, I've come to appreciate all the "mixed" reviews as they at least make an effort at explaining the good, the bad and the ugly of the game in question.
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Post by Jacket on Mar 5, 2017 18:57:53 GMT
So what's good about Zelda again?
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