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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 18:00:33 GMT
Don't hit me.... she's not a good enough actress tho.AAAAHHHHHHH! WHAT?? But, I...I... Love her. Valid opinion though. 
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Post by The Hype Himself on Jul 17, 2017 19:30:14 GMT
Has there been any male companions before? Purely male companions? Unsure. Not since Doctor 9, anyway. There's Captain Jack and Rory, of course. Handles, if you count "him". I'm not a Whovian encyclopedia, however, so if someone told me differently I would believe them. I believe he references male companions, though. Oh yes, there have been plenty. In the context of the revived series (the 9th Doctor-onward), we've had Captain Jack Harkness (as you say), that one little idiot who got kicked off the TARDIS after 1 episode (they expanded on his character in the comics), Mickey (who in fairness was more of an accessory to Rose and Martha and wasn't a permanent fixture on the crew), Wilfred Mott (admittedly less of a companion since he never really traveled with the Doctor except for 10's final adventure, but was still a good character that is well-loved), Rory Williams (as you say, and who was a person who had to grow into the role, before finally accepting it and loving it), and most recently, we had Nardole (though he's admittedly not exactly human...) There has always been a disposition towards female companions for the Doctor (including and especially when he's a 'younger' version such as the 5th Doctor, the 10th and 11th Doctors, and the 8th Doctor to a lesser extent) however. The Doctor's first companion after all was his own Granddaughter, Susan, way back in the 60's when the show first aired. But of course, there have always been a healthy amount of male companions. Ian and Barbara were the first two non-Time Lord companions that we saw him gather.
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Post by The Hype Himself on Jul 17, 2017 19:38:21 GMT
As for those calling timing suspicious and the like, I have a genuine question, as I have been following Twitter, YouTube, and Facebook comments as well. At what point does something like this go from interesting story idea to "SJW pandering"? Was it pandering when they turned Colonel Fury black? I think, for one, having the female Thor really worked because it allowed for the Unworthy Thor storyline. I wish that I could take a shot of something every time something is called 'SJW pandering.' It's basically just reactionary snarl phrase at this point, most often used in places where its not warranted (like, well, here.) It's used as a flimsy means of shutting down discussion. I just ignore the people who whine about stuff being 'SJW' at this point. They're not exactly worthy of respectable discussion.
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Post by The Hype Himself on Jul 17, 2017 19:46:57 GMT
AAAAHHHHHHH! WHAT?? But, I...I... Love her. Valid opinion though.  I wouldn't say that it's she's not a good actress (I really enjoy her performance on Broadchurch) so much as it is that I don't think she's the right actress, but hey, that might just be how I see it. I admit, as I did a couple of pages ago, that, fairly or unfairly, I don't know how I feel about a younger woman taking on the role of the Doctor, particularly one who is also fairly attractive in my estimation. I mean, I personally thought that when it finally happened, they'd elect for someone like Olivia Coleman or Tilda Swinton or the like. I was expecting a Doctor that looked more like 'Missy'. That said, I will give her the benefit of the doubt. I don't mind being wrong here. I'd welcome it. It might give us a chance to see an attractive actress playing something beyond the role of 'an attractive female actress.' And I think that that's a powerful statement to portray. I wish Mrs. Whittaker the absolute best.
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Post by DomeWing333 on Jul 17, 2017 19:50:23 GMT
So from what I can gather, "The Doctor" is some sort of transdimensional time alien...thing that takes a new form every once in a while because reasons. Unless I'm missing something, the only question that should be raised by it taking a female form now is "Why haven't you done that before?" What the hell does it care what shape its genital take?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 19:57:53 GMT
I wouldn't say that it's she's not a good actress (I really enjoy her performance on Broadchurch) so much as it is that I don't think she's the right actress, but hey, that might just be how I see it. I admit, as I did a couple of pages ago, that, fairly or unfairly, I don't know how I feel about a younger woman taking on the role of the Doctor, particularly one who is also fairly attractive in my estimation. I mean, I personally thought that when it finally happened, they'd elect for someone like Olivia Coleman or Tilda Swinton or the like. I was expecting a Doctor that looked more like 'Missy'. That said, I will give her the benefit of the doubt. I don't mind being wrong here. I'd welcome it. It might give us a chance to see an attractive actress playing something beyond the role of 'an attractive female actress.' And I think that that's a powerful statement to portray. I wish Mrs. Whittaker the absolute best. Ummm...I was talking about Emma Watson. I agree with you about Jodie, she's good and all but I don't think she's right for the role. Olivia Coleman would have been fantastic.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 20:01:56 GMT
So from what I can gather, "The Doctor" is some sort of transdimensional time alien...thing that takes a new form every once in a while because reasons. Unless I'm missing something, the only question that should be raised by it taking a female form now is "Why haven't you done that before?" What the hell does it care what shape its genital take? Technically he takes a new form every now and then because the franchise is decades old and they wanted to keep going when actors left. They should've had a woman years ago but the BBC is always a little slow on the uptake. Ppl care because you can't sneeze on the internet without it being a SJW conspiracy these days, and Jodie saying something about being a feminist really didn't help.
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Post by The Hype Himself on Jul 17, 2017 20:09:35 GMT
So from what I can gather, "The Doctor" is some sort of transdimensional time alien...thing that takes a new form every once in a while because reasons. Unless I'm missing something, the only question that should be raised by it taking a female form now is "Why haven't you done that before?" What the hell does it care what shape its genital take? Technically he takes a new form every now and then because the franchise is decades old and they wanted to keep going when actors left. They should've had a woman years ago but the BBC is always a little slow on the uptake. Ppl care because you can't sneeze on the internet without it being a SJW conspiracy these days, and Jodie saying something about being a feminist really didn't help. I see absolutely nothing wrong with calling oneself a feminist, but I do see where you're coming from there. A lot of people are in arms all because she labeled herself a feminist? Yeah, that'll stir the hate from several quarters.
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Post by Cyonan on Jul 17, 2017 20:12:31 GMT
So from what I can gather, "The Doctor" is some sort of transdimensional time alien...thing that takes a new form every once in a while because reasons. Unless I'm missing something, the only question that should be raised by it taking a female form now is "Why haven't you done that before?" What the hell does it care what shape its genital take? The lore explanation is that Time Lords(the species which the Doctor belongs to) have the ability to regenerate which would cause every cell in their body to change and they would take on a new physical appearance and have a bit of an altered personality. Usually it happens whenever the Doctor has become too injured to survive. In reality what they needed was an in-universe reason as to why they were going to replace William Hartnell as the very first Doctor way back in the 60s as he was unable to continue the show due to health issues. Ever since it's been a staple of the series that the Doctor changes every couple of seasons and we all get to argue about who our favourite Doctor is(and those who don't say Tom Baker are wrong =P). Up until now the Doctor has always been played by a male actor but they've never actually explained why he never turned into a woman before. To be honest I bet they could have gotten away with it 10 years ago a lot easier than they will now, because it's been a fan theory since the original show in the 60s that a Time Lord might be able to regenerate into a different gender even though we only got actual confirmation in the last few years.
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Post by Draining Dragon on Jul 17, 2017 20:17:51 GMT
Yep! Riri (or aka Iron Heart) is basically female Iron Man. Pepper Potts did it first. It's also far from a newfangled SJW crusade. Comics have been obsessed with giving male superheroes miniature distaff counterparts since the 50s. Even before Supergirl came on the scene, Lois Lane had a brief stint as "Superwoman." Also, Batgirl, X-23, Miss Sinister, SheHulk, Hawkgirl, Aquagirl, Harley Quinn, Miss Martian, Ms. Marvel, Dani Cage, Lady Octopus, and lots and lots of others are all designed as versions of established superheroes and supervillains but with breasts, and most of them have been around for decades. This isn't a new trend, it's an enduring obsession in the industry. And also, just for the record, I've always seen it as lazy. I would say that whether it's "lazy" depends on how it's handled. Some of those characters were essentially just the female versions of established heroes (at least when they started; many of them have since gained complexity as characters), but others (such as Batgirl and especially Harley Quinn) very much have their own identities as associates of major heroes or villains. I don't think Harley Quinn could ever be mistaken for a "female Joker." I think a lot of the anger about these "remakes" of characters comes from them replacing a beloved existing character and then not being "up to snuff" in terms of filling the previous character's shoes.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 20:55:02 GMT
Yep! Riri (or aka Iron Heart) is basically female Iron Man. Pepper Potts did it first. It's also far from a newfangled SJW crusade. Comics have been obsessed with giving male superheroes miniature distaff counterparts since the 50s. Even before Supergirl came on the scene, Lois Lane had a brief stint as "Superwoman." Also, Batgirl, X-23, Miss Sinister, SheHulk, Hawkgirl, Aquagirl, Harley Quinn, Miss Martian, Ms. Marvel, Dani Cage, Lady Octopus, and lots and lots of others are all designed as versions of established superheroes and supervillains but with breasts, and most of them have been around for decades. This isn't a new trend, it's an enduring obsession in the industry. Yes, but none of them ruined their male counterpart by taking over their place permanently. It's a really quite disrespectful move to be honest.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 21:01:17 GMT
So from what I can gather, "The Doctor" is some sort of transdimensional time alien...thing that takes a new form every once in a while because reasons. Unless I'm missing something, the only question that should be raised by it taking a female form now is "Why haven't you done that before?" What the hell does it care what shape its genital take? Technically he takes a new form every now and then because the franchise is decades old and they wanted to keep going when actors left. They should've had a woman years ago but the BBC is always a little slow on the uptake.Ppl care because you can't sneeze on the internet without it being a SJW conspiracy these days, and Jodie saying something about being a feminist really didn't help.BBC is going to fail like Marvel Comics did after they decided to do what they did to pre-existing male characters.
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Post by DomeWing333 on Jul 17, 2017 21:05:01 GMT
Yes, but none of them ruined their male counterpart by taking over their place permanently. It's a really quite disrespectful move to be honest. Would you say the same of males taking over said roles?
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Post by smilesja on Jul 17, 2017 21:14:57 GMT
At the same time you can't go anywhere without a single thing being racist and sexist.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 17, 2017 21:16:11 GMT
Technically he takes a new form every now and then because the franchise is decades old and they wanted to keep going when actors left. They should've had a woman years ago but the BBC is always a little slow on the uptake. Ppl care because you can't sneeze on the internet without it being a SJW conspiracy these days, and Jodie saying something about being a feminist really didn't help. I see absolutely nothing wrong with calling oneself a feminist, but I do see where you're coming from there. A lot of people are in arms all because she labeled herself a feminist? Yeah, that'll stir the hate from several quarters. I think it's because of what some feminists do.
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Post by The Hype Himself on Jul 17, 2017 21:19:44 GMT
Technically he takes a new form every now and then because the franchise is decades old and they wanted to keep going when actors left. They should've had a woman years ago but the BBC is always a little slow on the uptake.Ppl care because you can't sneeze on the internet without it being a SJW conspiracy these days, and Jodie saying something about being a feminist really didn't help.BBC is going to fail like Marvel Comics did after they decided to do what they did to pre-existing male characters. And if they don't fail? The Master/Mistress received stellar applause when Michelle Gomez took over the role of the Doctor's personal foil and nemesis. I wouldn't say that changing characters based on gender is something that is inherently flawed. Now, there is a point to be had if they keep shoving the fact that the Doctor is a woman down our throats every episode, but they may well not do that. I mean, Jodie Whittaker has only just been announced as the Doctor, and beyond basic pre-production, nothing has even been made for the character yet. Hell, 12/Capaldi still has a Christmas special before he totally regenerates into 13/Whittaker. The announcement is less than 48 hours old, and you're already seeing people here (several of whom admit to never having even watched the show) shouting from the high heavens that its some kind of SJW-pandering ploy. Has anyone actually stopped and considered that maybe Jodie Whittaker wasn't hired because she's a woman, but because she's a good actress? The show doesn't exist just so that it can trigger some people who like to pretend that a glass ceiling doesn't exist. It exists because its entertainment, it's profitable, and the show has a long history of selecting doctors based on merit. I see no difference here for Mrs. Whittaker, even if I do have some reservations on her specific style of acting being right for the role.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 17, 2017 21:23:14 GMT
And if you question this casting you're seen as a sexist person determined to bring down entertainment.
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Post by The Hype Himself on Jul 17, 2017 21:24:24 GMT
I see absolutely nothing wrong with calling oneself a feminist, but I do see where you're coming from there. A lot of people are in arms all because she labeled herself a feminist? Yeah, that'll stir the hate from several quarters. I think it's because of what some feminists do. Just as it's the same for many sexists and racists to come on and denounce a lot of material unjustly as 'SJW-propaganda'. Just saying. My advice; quit playing to dog whistle politics and snarl words, and stop looking for ammunition to use in some bizarre sense of cultural warfare. That applies every bit to alt-right MRA nutjobs and wingnuts as it does to moonbat SJW tumblrinas and snowflakes.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 21:29:24 GMT
BBC is going to fail like Marvel Comics did after they decided to do what they did to pre-existing male characters. Now, there is a point to be had if they keep shoving the fact that the Doctor is a woman down our throats every episode, but they may well not do that. I mean, Jodie Whittaker has only just been announced as the Doctor, and beyond basic pre-production, nothing has even been made for the character yet. Hell, 12/Capaldi still has a Christmas special before he totally regenerates into 13/Whittaker. The announcement is less than 48 hours old, and you're already seeing people here (several of whom admit to never having even watched the show) shouting from the high heavens that its some kind of SJW-pandering ploy.Because it probably is. Go watch the newest season of Doctor Who, lol.
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Post by The Hype Himself on Jul 17, 2017 21:29:47 GMT
And if you question this casting you're seen as a sexist person determined to bring down entertainment. Pretty odd, considering that the entertainment industry is rather well known and documented for its sexism (*cough* gender-pay gap *cough*.) And not just in Hollywood, mind you.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 21:30:10 GMT
Yes, but none of them ruined their male counterpart by taking over their place permanently. It's a really quite disrespectful move to be honest. Would you say the same of males taking over said roles? I was actually thinking that would piss off feminists too no end if they did something like that.
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Post by fiannawolf on Jul 17, 2017 21:31:32 GMT
I'd have to agree with this guy quite a bit. It feels more like a political maneuver rather then something to support the story. Who knows...maybe it will pleasantly surprise people.
But for the sake of fairness, lets see what I can find on the other side for this:
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Post by DomeWing333 on Jul 17, 2017 21:31:50 GMT
Would you say the same of males taking over said roles? Potentially, yes. "Potentially" depending on what? If it's the act of permanently replacing a male character in a role that tarnishes that role, then it shouldn't matter who you replace them with.
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Post by The Hype Himself on Jul 17, 2017 21:32:24 GMT
Now, there is a point to be had if they keep shoving the fact that the Doctor is a woman down our throats every episode, but they may well not do that. I mean, Jodie Whittaker has only just been announced as the Doctor, and beyond basic pre-production, nothing has even been made for the character yet. Hell, 12/Capaldi still has a Christmas special before he totally regenerates into 13/Whittaker. The announcement is less than 48 hours old, and you're already seeing people here (several of whom admit to never having even watched the show) shouting from the high heavens that its some kind of SJW-pandering ploy.Because it probably is. Go watch the newest season of Doctor Who, lol. I did watch it. I rather enjoyed it, and I think your opinion of it being such is quite unwarranted. Otherwise, I'm seeing a lot of white noise here...
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