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Post by Hrulj on Mar 17, 2017 18:59:09 GMT
They've done this with every game. Only, with the other games you had more options. then why are ninety nine percent of their protags white? Why have i never seen an asian Shepard or an inquisitor that looks like Josephine? I mean yes their audience is mostly white but i doubt it's by that huge a majority. The audience is mostly white, no you can't dismiss that. The fact that a company whose customer base is mostly white skips white people like this is alarming show of SJW mentality.
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Post by colfoley on Mar 17, 2017 19:02:02 GMT
then why are ninety nine percent of their protags white? Why have i never seen an asian Shepard or an inquisitor that looks like Josephine? I mean yes their audience is mostly white but i doubt it's by that huge a majority. The audience is mostly white, no you can't dismiss that. The fact that a company whose customer base is mostly white skips white people like this is alarming show of SJW mentality. no its not. Look my skin completion is almost that of Jon Snow up there so I don't have any special bias. But you can be white in a total of six presets including both defaults. That's not unrepresentative by any stretch of the imagination.
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Post by midnight tea on Mar 17, 2017 19:03:47 GMT
They've done this with every game. Only, with the other games you had more options. then why are ninety nine percent of their protags white? Why have i never seen an asian Shepard or an inquisitor that looks like Josephine? I mean yes their audience is mostly white but i doubt it's by that huge a majority. I'm fairly sure you'll find a considerable number of people who played characters with skintone of Josephine (my main character does), but not necessarily her features. Why? Because people are having fun playing an elf or a qunari or a dwarf After all, unlike ME, DA lets us play something different than humans. And I know that statistically people played humans most of all races, but with Inquisition we've seen a lot more folks enjoying playing other races as well, elves especially. In other games it's also sometimes the matter of graphics. The dark skintones in DAO after all weren't much to talk about. Not sure about original ME, 'cause I didn't play it yet.
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Post by I'm Not Dead Just Yet on Mar 17, 2017 19:03:58 GMT
The CC definitely skews darker. The slider is actually different on the different presets too. I used male Preset 5 for the basis of the guy in my profile pic. And my guy is the lightest that this preset can get: And his father was definitely not a default black guy. His skin tone did not seem much darker than my character (and seemed lighter than the preset, but I can't be sure). When I used this preset, I was able to make him pretty pale. Even more pale than the guy I'm using who seems more tan than pale. But this preset gives you really severe crow's feet wrinkles. I don't mind wrinkles, but these are pretty jarring and not well done, so I had to scrap the guy I made here (no pics saved, unfortunately). But he was a few clicks paler than the preset. oh look a wild white guy appears. Sigh. Looks like another thread created before the OP actually did their research. OP was talking about daddy Ryder's ethnicity not matching Bro/Sis Ryder's, not about being unable to create a white Ryder at all. People are changing the subject. I made a SisRyder with preset 8 and made her as pale as I could. She turned out looking kind of Portuguese which was okay with me, but then Alec turned out to be a really dark African and looked nothing like her at all.
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Post by midnight tea on Mar 17, 2017 19:05:51 GMT
then why are ninety nine percent of their protags white? Why have i never seen an asian Shepard or an inquisitor that looks like Josephine? I mean yes their audience is mostly white but i doubt it's by that huge a majority. The audience is mostly white, no you can't dismiss that. The fact that a company whose customer base is mostly white skips white people like this is alarming show of SJW mentality. ... How do you know that Bioware's customer base is mostly white? Where do you get statistics from?
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Post by Hrulj on Mar 17, 2017 19:06:30 GMT
The audience is mostly white, no you can't dismiss that. The fact that a company whose customer base is mostly white skips white people like this is alarming show of SJW mentality. no its not. Look my skin completion is almost that of Jon Snow up there so I don't have any special bias. But you can be white in a total of six presets including both defaults. That's not unrepresentative by any stretch of the imagination. It's an RPG game. The whole point of it is to create a character that resembles you. Their character designer allows you to make several dozen drag queen transgendered characters, but not a single pale white character. I'm surprised blonde hair is in there at all, and blue eyes.
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Post by Hrulj on Mar 17, 2017 19:07:49 GMT
The audience is mostly white, no you can't dismiss that. The fact that a company whose customer base is mostly white skips white people like this is alarming show of SJW mentality. ... How do you know that Bioware's customer base is mostly white? Where do you get statistics from? Bioware makes most of their sales in Europe and America. Last I remember both those places are majority white. I know, horror. Bioware sales in Zimbabwe aren't stellar I hear.
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Post by Zemgus on Mar 17, 2017 19:09:02 GMT
The audience is mostly white, no you can't dismiss that. The fact that a company whose customer base is mostly white skips white people like this is alarming show of SJW mentality. no its not. Look my skin completion is almost that of Jon Snow up there so I don't have any special bias. But you can be white in a total of six presets including both defaults. That's not unrepresentative by any stretch of the imagination. You can't be though, not if your supposed biological father is black and has distinct african features. (and some of the presets really don't have pale enough skin tones to pass as a white person) It's not just about the colour of the skin but also of cultural identity. If I want my Ryder to be of clear european heritage then it simply doesn't work if her father looks like african. None of this would be such a problem if they'd just make all the lighter and darker skin tones available to ALL presets and let us decide our fathers appearance.
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Post by warbaby2 on Mar 17, 2017 19:10:09 GMT
no its not. Look my skin completion is almost that of Jon Snow up there so I don't have any special bias. But you can be white in a total of six presets including both defaults. That's not unrepresentative by any stretch of the imagination. It's an RPG game. The whole point of it is to create a character that resembles you. Their character designer allows you to make several dozen drag queen transgendered characters, but not a single pale white character. I'm surprised blonde hair is in there at all, and blue eyes. No, that's actually not the point of a RPG... in the contrary. I know, the current "generation representation" doesn't quite get it, but the original intention of a RPG was to "play a role"... someone or something that usually isn't you or even looks like you, but is imagined/created by you. The presets are still horrible, though...
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Post by Hrulj on Mar 17, 2017 19:13:05 GMT
It's an RPG game. The whole point of it is to create a character that resembles you. Their character designer allows you to make several dozen drag queen transgendered characters, but not a single pale white character. I'm surprised blonde hair is in there at all, and blue eyes. No, that's actually not the point of a RPG... in the contrary. I know, the current "generation representation" doesn't quite get it, but the original intention of a RPG was to "play a role"... someone or something that usually isn't you or even looks like you, but is imagined/created by you. The presets are still horrible, though... Then there shouldn't be a character designer in the game, they should have created a character for us and we play as one. Or went Halo route with Master Chief lookalike in total armor for the whole time. They didn't. Games should cater to their audience, and due to the SJW's in Bioware's headquarters they are doing the exact opposite of that
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Post by hathur on Mar 17, 2017 19:15:25 GMT
oh look a wild white guy appears. Sigh. Looks like another thread created before the OP actually did their research. OP was talking about daddy Ryder's ethnicity not matching Bro/Sis Ryder's, not about being unable to create a white Ryder at all. People are changing the subject. Correct, at no point was i complaining about not being able to make a caucasian / white character.. I can, the skin tone sliders function fine on all the preset heads.. my complaint was simply that neither Alec Ryder or the mother match my character in appearance whatsoever (in terms of ethnicity... forget skin tone... my character's father looks like a man from africa, my character's mother looks like she's from India or some other part of Asia or the middle east but both Sara and Scott ryder appear to be caucasian europeans. It's just weird.. not a big deal, but it would be nice to have consistency in the parents at least slightly resembling their two children's ethnicity.
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Post by Elsariel on Mar 17, 2017 19:16:14 GMT
no its not. Look my skin completion is almost that of Jon Snow up there so I don't have any special bias. But you can be white in a total of six presets including both defaults. That's not unrepresentative by any stretch of the imagination. You can't be though, not if your supposed biological father is black and has distinct african features. It's not just about the colour of the skin but also of cultural identity. If I want my Ryder to be of clear european heritage then it simply doesn't work if her father looks like african. None of this would be such a problem if they'd just make all the lighter and darker skin tones available to ALL presets and let us decide our fathers appearance.This. And include the skin tone of the defaults. Or hell, just allow me to edit the defaults. I'll even take that.
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Post by warbaby2 on Mar 17, 2017 19:16:45 GMT
No, that's actually not the point of a RPG... in the contrary. I know, the current "generation representation" doesn't quite get it, but the original intention of a RPG was to "play a role"... someone or something that usually isn't you or even looks like you, but is imagined/created by you. The presets are still horrible, though... Then there shouldn't be a character designer in the game, they should have created a character for us and we play as one. Or went Halo route with Master Chief lookalike in total armor for the whole time. They didn't. Games should cater to their audience, and due to the SJW's in Bioware's headquarters they are doing the exact opposite of that Well, as I said, the character you want to play should be - at least in part - your creation... computer RPGs notoriously had a hard time making that happen of course, since there are obvious limitations to what you can do in this medium. That being said: I don't know for sure that BW's general "regressive" mindset is the reason behind the limited presets this time around...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 19:16:47 GMT
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Post by warbaby2 on Mar 17, 2017 19:19:14 GMT
In the twenty-second century, blond hair like hers was a rarity, and blue eyes were nonexistent. - Mass Effect: Ascension Which is a debatable prediction... but hey, it's science fiction.
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Post by midasear on Mar 17, 2017 19:20:00 GMT
In the twenty-second century, blond hair like hers was a rarity, and blue eyes were nonexistent. - Mass Effect: Ascension That's just proof that Bioware has _always_ hated Caucasians. That was a joke.
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Post by adasirin on Mar 17, 2017 19:20:16 GMT
no its not. Look my skin completion is almost that of Jon Snow up there so I don't have any special bias. But you can be white in a total of six presets including both defaults. That's not unrepresentative by any stretch of the imagination. You can't be though, not if your supposed biological father is black and has distinct african features. (and some of the presets really don't have pale enough skin tones to pass as a white person) It's not just about the colour of the skin but also of cultural identity. If I want my Ryder to be of clear european heritage then it simply doesn't work if her father looks like african. None of this would be such a problem if they'd just make all the lighter and darker skin tones available to ALL presets and let us decide our fathers appearance. I agree with this but I'll also say that the limitation of having no individual eye/nose/mouth presets or sliders to meaningfully change the facial features adds to this issue too. It's one thing to take a character of a different ethnicity and make the skin paler, but unless you can actually change facial features in a significant way it's not entirely convincing, because different races have different aesthetics beyond just skin colour. It's sort of the reverse of the issue that earlier Mass Effect CC's used to have where making a character black mostly just consisted of taking a white/european looking face and adding a darker skin tone. It just doesn't work very well or look very convincing. So yet again, this comes back to the issue of the CC being extremely rigid and restrictive. Having a wider range of skin colours would be more than welcome, but it's only part of the problem.
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Post by Mihura on Mar 17, 2017 19:21:13 GMT
In the twenty-second century, blond hair like hers was a rarity, and blue eyes were nonexistent. - Mass Effect: Ascension Suvi is in the ship, so ya. I would say that is not a strong reason per se but when you talk about middle eastern vikings or celtic latinos people blow a gasket. So I laugh at this topic and enjoy the CC even more now, that is in lore.
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Post by Hrulj on Mar 17, 2017 19:21:53 GMT
In the twenty-second century, blond hair like hers was a rarity, and blue eyes were nonexistent. - Mass Effect: Ascension That's just proof that Bioware has _always_ hated Caucasians. That was a joke.
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Post by midnight tea on Mar 17, 2017 19:22:47 GMT
... How do you know that Bioware's customer base is mostly white? Where do you get statistics from? Bioware makes most of their sales in Europe and America. Last I remember both those places are majority white. I know, horror. Bioware sales in Zimbabwe aren't stellar I hear. Yes, because POC live almost exclusively in exotic places like Zimbabwe - it's not like both Europe and USA have a large non-Caucasian population that keeps steadily growing. It's also amusing to claim that because BW makes most their sales in America and Europe, it means that we can just blindly assume that the games are sold to the same people as any other random product.
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Post by Elsariel on Mar 17, 2017 19:23:56 GMT
Then there shouldn't be a character designer in the game, they should have created a character for us and we play as one. Or went Halo route with Master Chief lookalike in total armor for the whole time. They didn't. Games should cater to their audience, and due to the SJW's in Bioware's headquarters they are doing the exact opposite of that Well, as I said, the character you want to play should be - at least in part - your creation... computer RPGs notoriously had a hard time making that happen of course, since there are obvious limitations to what you can do in this medium. That being said: I don't know for sure that BW's general "regressive" mindset is the reason behind the limited presets this time around...Agreed. I don't think there is some nefarious plot to keep "whitey" down or anything. It's just an unfinished product and could use some major help. Skin tone is but one of many problems, IMO.
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Post by Hrulj on Mar 17, 2017 19:25:17 GMT
Bioware makes most of their sales in Europe and America. Last I remember both those places are majority white. I know, horror. Bioware sales in Zimbabwe aren't stellar I hear. Yes, because POC live almost exclusively in exotic places like Zimbabwe - it's not like both Europe and USA have a large non-Caucasian population that keeps steadily growing. It's also amusing to claim that because BW makes most their sales in America and Europe, it means that we can just blindly assume that the games are sold to the same people as any other random product. 20 million non Europeans live in EU. Or 4% of population. That's by no means large, and growing, they'd need couple of centuries to come close to white people in prevalence.
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Post by xMissWoox on Mar 17, 2017 19:25:32 GMT
In the twenty-second century, blond hair like hers was a rarity, and blue eyes were nonexistent. - Mass Effect: Ascension Hair dye and contact lenses?
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Post by zered on Mar 17, 2017 19:26:01 GMT
That's just proof that Bioware has _always_ hated Caucasians. That was a joke. Thank god they fired this jerk. Racist pieace of crap. edit: or not, can't find the info. Please don't tell me he still works in Bioware...
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Post by Raga on Mar 17, 2017 19:27:15 GMT
Looks like from the screencaps I've seen that CC has really bad lighting too, which doesn't help you really gauge what you are building. DAI had that problem. I had to build my character in a CC with the light quality of a turnip cellar.
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