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Post by Hrulj on Mar 18, 2017 6:24:21 GMT
And Ethiopians/Somalians look completely different from other Subsaharan Africans, and North Africans look different from both. All of them are Africans. Latinos are a mixture of native South and Mezo-americans with Europeans. You can't be Latino just because you're dark skinned or dark eyed. This is my last post because of the off-topic, just because people in America use now the word latino does not make me less of a latina in Europe, actually we called ourselves lusitanos with latino blood since ever. Latinos are people with culture and heritage from latin base countries in Europe, it does not depend on your skin color. Just to clarify that assuming Europe = white is a big mistake, I recommend travelling through Europe and take your own conclusions. Those are Romance people. Italians, Romanians, French, Spanish, Portugese speak Romance languages and are considered Romance people, not Latinos. Just like Germans, Dutch, Danes, Norwegians and others are Germanic, Czecks, Russians and others are slavs and it goes on. None of those meta-ethnicities make them less European based on lighter or darker skin color. I seriously hope you're just trolling
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Post by dutchsghost7 on Mar 18, 2017 7:14:01 GMT
This is my last post because of the off-topic, just because people in America use now the word latino does not make me less of a latina in Europe, actually we called ourselves lusitanos with latino blood since ever. Latinos are people with culture and heritage from latin base countries in Europe, it does not depend on your skin color. Just to clarify that assuming Europe = white is a big mistake, I recommend travelling through Europe and take your own conclusions. Those are Romance people. Italians, Romanians, French, Spanish, Portugese speak Romance languages and are considered Romance people, not Latinos. Just like Germans, Dutch, Danes, Norwegians and others are Germanic, Czecks, Russians and others are slavs and it goes on. None of those meta-ethnicities make them less European based on lighter or darker skin color. I seriously hope you're just trolling Russians and Finns are part mongol though. They're not white.
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Post by midnight tea on Mar 18, 2017 7:22:06 GMT
Those are Romance people. Italians, Romanians, French, Spanish, Portugese speak Romance languages and are considered Romance people, not Latinos. Just like Germans, Dutch, Danes, Norwegians and others are Germanic, Czecks, Russians and others are slavs and it goes on. None of those meta-ethnicities make them less European based on lighter or darker skin color. I seriously hope you're just trolling Russians and Finns are part mongol though. They're not white. ... Yep. Definitely trolling.
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Post by hathur on Mar 18, 2017 7:24:08 GMT
If white people truly don't care or think about race, they wouldn't be concerned about represenation in a video game, would they? Don't be asinine. This isn't about white representation.. this is about a stupid / flawed gameplay design system. The same problem exists if I choose the caucasian preset head, change the skin tone to that of an african person for both Ryders ... Alec appears as caucasian european with ZERO physical features that coincide with the children other than eye color. My OP wasn't some bloody social commentary about ethnicity in society the way everyone in this stupid thread have made it out to be... it was simply a comment about a very weird decision in the game to make my parents appear of very clear African heritage when both children were clearly NOT of African heritage. Take your tiresome social commentary elsewhere, this is a bloody video-game discussion issue, not a real-life social commentary one.
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Post by davkar on Mar 18, 2017 7:51:18 GMT
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Post by jalis on Mar 18, 2017 8:13:35 GMT
Russians and Finns are part mongol though. They're not white.
You made my day . However if you plan to travel in Russia, training for sprint first could be useful
More seriously about problem original poster spoke about, and also lack of option on CC ; Is it simply bioware laziness, lack of professionalism/expertise, or a political/ideological decision like some some people suggest it.
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Post by Pearl on Mar 18, 2017 9:01:27 GMT
If white people truly don't care or think about race, they wouldn't be concerned about represenation in a video game, would they? Don't be asinine. This isn't about white representation.. this is about a stupid / flawed gameplay design system. The same problem exists if I choose the caucasian preset head, change the skin tone to that of an african person for both Ryders ... Alec appears as caucasian european with ZERO physical features that coincide with the children other than eye color. My OP wasn't some bloody social commentary about ethnicity in society the way everyone in this stupid thread have made it out to be... it was simply a comment about a very weird decision in the game to make my parents appear of very clear African heritage when both children were clearly NOT of African heritage. Take your tiresome social commentary elsewhere, this is a bloody video-game discussion issue, not a real-life social commentary one. Unfortunately, any topic even remotely involving the gender/race/orientation of characters will eventually devolve into this. Welcome to the era of identity politics and tribalism.
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Post by obatalaryder on Mar 18, 2017 9:04:31 GMT
Don't be asinine. This isn't about white representation.. this is about a stupid / flawed gameplay design system. The same problem exists if I choose the caucasian preset head, change the skin tone to that of an african person for both Ryders ... Alec appears as caucasian european with ZERO physical features that coincide with the children other than eye color. My OP wasn't some bloody social commentary about ethnicity in society the way everyone in this stupid thread have made it out to be... it was simply a comment about a very weird decision in the game to make my parents appear of very clear African heritage when both children were clearly NOT of African heritage. Take your tiresome social commentary elsewhere, this is a bloody video-game discussion issue, not a real-life social commentary one. Unfortunately, any topic even remotely involving the gender/race/orientation of characters will eventually devolve into this. Welcome to the era of identity politics and tribalism. If you're anti-identity and anti-tribalist, that means you don't identify as a white person , correct?
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Post by obatalaryder on Mar 18, 2017 9:07:08 GMT
If white people truly don't care or think about race, they wouldn't be concerned about represenation in a video game, would they? Don't be asinine. This isn't about white representation.. this is about a stupid / flawed gameplay design system. The same problem exists if I choose the caucasian preset head, change the skin tone to that of an african person for both Ryders ... Alec appears as caucasian european with ZERO physical features that coincide with the children other than eye color. My OP wasn't some bloody social commentary about ethnicity in society the way everyone in this stupid thread have made it out to be... it was simply a comment about a very weird decision in the game to make my parents appear of very clear African heritage when both children were clearly NOT of African heritage. Take your tiresome social commentary elsewhere, this is a bloody video-game discussion issue, not a real-life social commentary one. If race truly doesn't matter to you, then it shouldn't matter to you that your fictional video game characther doesn't bear caucasian features. But clearly it does. I don't get the contradictions from you folks. You say it doesn't matter but you show in passive-aggressive detail it does.
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Post by Pearl on Mar 18, 2017 9:11:06 GMT
Unfortunately, any topic even remotely involving the gender/race/orientation of characters will eventually devolve into this. Welcome to the era of identity politics and tribalism. If you're anti-identity and anti-tribalist, that means you don't identify as a white person , correct? I am an individual before I am anything else. I am also not white.
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Post by obatalaryder on Mar 18, 2017 9:11:34 GMT
If white people truly don't care or think about race, they wouldn't be concerned about represenation in a video game, would they?
I hope it is a simulated naivety.
Just my opinion ; westerners are mostly moderate on racism, and usually non violent. Racism is more uncomplexed and violent in central and eastern europe, including Russia.
In western europe it is politically correct to claim you are not a racist at all. It could even be a snobbish attitude, for who want appear as a philosoph or an intellectual.
This is for the first part of your sentence.
The second now. It is natural people want to identify themself to the heros. Very often, players, will custom characters, like an idealized himself... so most often from its ethnicity. In game it could appear strange parent ethnie dont match with childs.
It is sometime strange to have to said such obvious things.
But it is interesting when non-whites have their concern over their lack of representation in media platforms, they are told to not care about race, or lectured on about "demographics" and "catering to to the marketed demographic" as to why their race is not represented.
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Post by mrobnoxiousuk on Mar 18, 2017 9:11:56 GMT
Unfortunately, any topic even remotely involving the gender/race/orientation of characters will eventually devolve into this. Welcome to the era of identity politics and tribalism. If you're anti-identity and anti-tribalist, that means you don't identify as a white person , correct? Baiting people is childish and will cause internecine squabbles,so stop acting like a kid with a ant farm and a extra large magnifying glass.
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Post by obatalaryder on Mar 18, 2017 9:12:28 GMT
If you're anti-identity and anti-tribalist, that means you don't identify as a white person , correct? I am an individual before I am anything else. I am also not white. Your profile says you identify as a male.
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Post by obatalaryder on Mar 18, 2017 9:13:36 GMT
If you're anti-identity and anti-tribalist, that means you don't identify as a white person , correct? Baiting people is childish and will cause internecine squabbles,so stop acting like a kid with a ant farm and a extra large magnifying glass. All I hear is an inability to retort with a proper argument. Is this your way of saying you concede?
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Post by mrobnoxiousuk on Mar 18, 2017 9:14:31 GMT
I am an individual before I am anything else. I am also not white. Your profile says you identify as a male. Congratulations you can read,i shall contact the local tabloids.
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Post by Pearl on Mar 18, 2017 9:15:43 GMT
I am an individual before I am anything else. I am also not white. Your profile says you identify as a male. As does yours. Stop beating around the bush and say whatever it is that you want to say.
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Post by Arcian on Mar 18, 2017 9:19:43 GMT
Mods can't get here fast enough. Ugh. >frostbite >mods Laughingasari.gif
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Post by Tawneys Bimorph on Mar 18, 2017 9:32:03 GMT
As someone whose profession is Quality Assurance (not video game Quality Assurance but substance manufacturing Quality Assurance), the emergence of trivial errors like the ones the OP mentions is a sign that either one of the three statements is true:-
1) Bioware has no Quality Assurance team and does not care to have one.
2) Bioware has a really terrible and incompetent or a very inexperienced Quality Control team.
3) Bioware's Quality Control team is sabotaging the company for some unknown reason.
I'm leaning towards statement number 2 myself.
As for accusations of Regressivism and SJWism because anti-White sentiment is common amongst Regressive SJWs (I myself hate Regressive SJWs and I know many Bioware staff lean that way), Bioware's default protagonists are a White Man and White Woman, both of whom look infinitely better than the Character Creation presets. So we can safely say Identity Politics did not play a role here - Occam's Razor, people.
To conclude, there is a chronic issue with Bioware's Quality Team. This is just a symptom of that problem.
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Post by obatalaryder on Mar 18, 2017 9:49:56 GMT
Your profile says you identify as a male. As does yours. Stop beating around the bush and say whatever it is that you want to say. How are you identity-less and label-less in a identity, labelled world?
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Post by Pearl on Mar 18, 2017 9:56:42 GMT
As does yours. Stop beating around the bush and say whatever it is that you want to say. How are you identity-less and label-less in a identity, labelled world? I literally said that I identify as an individual. Identifying myself based on physical characteristics I cannot change seems very narrow-minded. Are you denying my right to identify myself however I please? edit: Adding that while basing my identity on my physical characteristics rather than my thoughts and actions seems a bit silly, at the same time, denying them would require being insecure about who I am. I am comfortable with who I am, and what I am.
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Post by crusty on Mar 18, 2017 10:01:17 GMT
I find it an amazing meta commentary that it was a non white father getting cucked by a white bull, rather than the opposite which happens to be the popular trend. Truly progressive and against the mainstream.
B R A V O R A V O
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Post by FireAndBlood on Mar 18, 2017 10:20:25 GMT
20 million non Europeans live in EU. Or 4% of population. That's by no means large, and growing, they'd need couple of centuries to come close to white people in prevalence. Wrong statistics hon - the ones you picked are about people who are not citizens of any of EU country, NOT PoC - who btw. ARE Europeans, even if their ancestors had come to Europe at one time. Truth of a matter is, according to actually relevant statistics, both USA and Europe will likely stop being a white-majority countries in about 2-4 decades, not centuries. www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/sep/03/race.worldWhite people really need to do a lot more fucking.
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Post by midnight tea on Mar 18, 2017 10:25:24 GMT
Wrong statistics hon - the ones you picked are about people who are not citizens of any of EU country, NOT PoC - who btw. ARE Europeans, even if their ancestors had come to Europe at one time. Truth of a matter is, according to actually relevant statistics, both USA and Europe will likely stop being a white-majority countries in about 2-4 decades, not centuries. www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/sep/03/race.worldWhite people really need to do a lot more fucking. ...Or just not give a fuck who fucks who.
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Post by SofaJockey on Mar 18, 2017 10:52:13 GMT
If this discussion stays on topic about the Mass Effect Andromeda Character Creator, it can stay. Seems not. So we're done here...
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