*Romance distribution spoilers* Make your voice heard about the lack of romance options, sex scenes,

lol, and you ignored that I was responding to your rant about people apparent whining about a legitimate concern. Whatever you said applied more to you than anyone, and that's the best part about you because you made my argument for me. lol

I get it, I really do. It's only okay when your special group does it. I'd have to be offended for your ridiculous argument to actually work, but I'm not. I think the whole argument is hilarious. Many people went into Andromeda looking to be offended because it wasn't the original trilogy. They were going to rant about this thing and that. It's just funny that this is what they picked.

Like I said, I'm endlessly amused at the ranty nonsense. And the pontificating self-gratification for somehow believing themselves of more moral fiber, all because of a lousy achievement that only really hardcore players would've achieved by now, it's only been a few days since release.

But rant away. Complain that the special group isn't "treated equally." But at least be honest with everything. I'm not offended, I'm entertained.

Really entertaining. nice projecting though. I'm enjoying myself. Your lack of self awareness makes whatever you said the more entertaining, especially the part about your special group, especially the part where whatever you said applied more to your special group than any group. 

I'm going to shoot down that straw man and make it clear in no way do I think "straight guys" shouldn't complain. It's a disservice to the vast majority of them to try and imply those so paranoid of the SJW boogeyman that they actually thought they made female characters unattractive to them on purpose certainly don't represent most straight guys.

The points go far beyond the sex scenes so if people choose to ignore/not read them so be it. Making straw man arguments over and over again misrepresenting the reasoning behind the complaints doesn't make your argument stronger though. You can't make an argument by cherry picking a couple of the many, many factors that got people this upset cumulatively. I am very careful to say "I don't think they did this on purpose" when I give the laundry list of factors that add up to this.

Also for those of you chiming in that this doesn't even effect to give some words of support, thanks.

I really think it's unfortunate the achievement gets so much focus since the cumulative points are more important in my opinion. I guess it's easier to zero in on one thing as an example than to give the laundry list every time though.

The only reason I've been replying to all of those people concerning the achievement is that it just seems so absurd to me that they can't recognize that simple unfairness.

Oh I wasn't meaning to say there's anything wrong with the discussion.  I just think the overall picture of everything combined is more sympathetic to people that know nothing about the situation alone.  Heck even on the Jaal topic many have no idea about the teasing, etc.

Hey guys.

I got a thread started for folks that have finalized letters to write to the devs about this. I have some ground rules for posting in there, but feel free to take a look.

bsn.boards.net/thread/6157/open-letters-bioware-regarding-romances

No problem. This thread is pretty salty and since you guys have been good about staying out of trouble, I'll consider this place the Salt Mine for this discussion. The feedback thread is temporary and I want to have it with as little salt as possible.

I'm out of my element there. I never use it myself. Hmm, I know.

Summon hashtag master dalinne

Come give us a hand with this, please. We need a good twitter hashtag for the feedback thread once you're on.

Hm. Whatever we do, it needs to be catchy, diplomatic, and sum up the core of the issue (that m/m romances got severely limited content compared to other orientations). I actually kinda like GaysGotSidelined in terms of it summing up our complaints pretty well, but it might also be seen by some as overly accusatory/assuming malicious intent... Aside from Dalinne, is there anyone on BSN who knows twitter well enough to provide input?

Yeah, I agree. Hopefully, Dalinne or someone else has a few more ideas. I think BSNGayRomanceLetter is not quite catchy enough .

#BSNGayMail? #MEAGayMail #LettersFromGaySpace #GaysInSpace #AndromedaGayMail

I'm not quite sure about these, but maybe they'll spark someone else's inspiration.

I just hope switching gears won't do more harm then good. #MakeJaalBi seems to be making quite the buzz on twitter already.

The hash tag certainly should be something that is related to Mass Effect more then just space. It needs to be easy to know what is being referenced.

Also, if we really want to accomplish anything there should be some form of unified goal. If half the people are asking for bi Jaal, a fourth are asking to polish the current options (yikes), and the other fourth is asking for a new squad member-well lets just say that was the main failing of "hold the line" as we got almost nothing in the extended cut.